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The 70% was after two full shots, I thought?
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Yeah slightly confusing as the 70 figure is derived from the data of both regimens.Take a look at the press release they put out and you’ll see the numbers are much better than that
Oxford University breakthrough on global COVID-19 vaccine | University of Oxford
Oxford announces interim trial data from its Phase III trials that show its candidate coronavirus vaccine is effective at preventing COVID-19 and offers a high level of protection.www.ox.ac.uk
So in summary:
* If you take the vaccine in two full doses it’s 62% effective
* If you take the vaccine with one half dose followed by one full dose it’s 90% effective
So not only is the vaccine just as effective as the others, there’s also more of it to go round. Plus it appears to slow down transmission of the virus, and it can be stored at fridge temperature. And we have fucking loads of it on order. So this is very very good indeed.
Almost like the presentation is to depress the share price.
It was confusing as that's how it came across on BBC at one point .
70% via one shot .
Like I said earlier presentation a bit bizzarre, why even bring in the first figure it's misleading.
It's across Two dosages regardless of the quantity in the first one.
The 70% is what you get from combining the 62% group (two doses) with the 90% group (one and a half doses)
The share price of Oxford University?
What it shows is that there’s no pressure to sugarcoat anything and they’re going to give us the data as it comes, good and bad. It’s a shame the public and the media isn’t better with numbers but we should be reassured by how this has been handled.
Astrazenica.
Although the data of the second more successful regimen based on 3k volunteers appears to increase effectiveness and make the vaccine go further,why downplay that .
Unless they don't have full confidence.
Pundit's observer's etc saying I'd be extremely happy with 70%,why would that be , it's farcical to me.
Either the most affective usage and resultant protection, the 62% regimen is deemed useless/ pointless by the other .
They’re not there yet but as mentioned previously, it’s something we should be proud of if it gets fully authorised. It’s one we’ve financially backed as a country and as you say we/they aren’t looking to profit. Could be massive not just for us but globally, especially if it’s correct that it can be stored/transported easier than Pfizers
edit - again, if fully authorised, it might also help to drive down the cost of the other vaccines. Again, great for developing/poorer nations (as well as us)
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Oxford University don’t care about AZ’s share price and even if they did there’s no reason for them to try and tank its shares (unless this entire vaccine program is an elaborate short-selling scheme....I’m gonna guess it’s not)
As for pundits saying they’d be happy with 70% - that was what many scientists said was their best case scenario before we got the first set of test results. 70% would be in line with various vaccines for other diseases (flu etc) and worth celebrating in itself. The fact that we’ve hit 90% is both a pleasant surprise and a cause for even more optimism (which is why you saw markets go crazy when the first results come out).
This all looks like a huge achievement.
fernandopartridge
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The Astra Zeneca one is pretty promising given the lack of constraints on storage and distribution.
The British media is an utter embarrassment with the national BBC now being the worst of it. Misleading, sensationalist headlines over reporting of fact.
Inform, educate, entertain.
As AZ is offering the vaccine at cost its share price has fallen, why the fuck are we slaves to the market again?
The British media is an utter embarrassment with the national BBC now being the worst of it. Misleading, sensationalist headlines over reporting of fact.
Inform, educate, entertain.
As AZ is offering the vaccine at cost its share price has fallen, why the fuck are we slaves to the market again?
These are just test results - the scientists’ job is to collect them and report them, they are what they are. Governments are free to do what they like with the information (and I think it’s pretty obvious what they should do)
Put another way - test results also show chicken tikka masala is less tasty and effective when taken as a suppository but it won’t stop me from ordering it.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Because the Sun and Daily Mail aren't telling them to give a fuck.
chiefdave
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Not sure there's any big conspiracy to suppress good news. Think its more likely that those responsible for getting articles up on various news websites quickly don't have the knowledge to fully understand a press release that isn't in an easy to understand format.
Here's a thought.
If it's presented as less effective than those previously announced from overseas at greater cost and difficulty in delivery would that stimulate demand in the British public to seek/prefer those at greater cost .
Looking to deep?
Sorry can't get my head around the downplaying.
Would release more to give away to the WHO?
If it's presented as less effective than those previously announced from overseas at greater cost and difficulty in delivery would that stimulate demand in the British public to seek/prefer those at greater cost .
Looking to deep?
Sorry can't get my head around the downplaying.
Would release more to give away to the WHO?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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What I can't understand is why they averaged out the results of the two? Shouldn't they be extolling the fact it's MORE effective with LESS being needed?
If they're separate trials involving two doses and one and a half doses keep them separate.
It'd be like me saying if I have one bottle of wine there's only a 10% chance I'll be sick. If I have a second bottle of wine there's a 60% chance I'll be sick. If I have a third there's a 90% chance I'll be sick. So therefore if I drink wine there's a 53% chance I'll be sick.
shmmeee
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I think this is just bad science reporting TBF. Something that journalists have always struggled with.
Not sure ,feels more editorial to me?
jimmyhillsfanclub
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A little fuel for any conspiracy theorists amongst us.....
Covid-19: China pushes for QR code based global travel system
QR codes - bar codes that can be read by mobile phones - have been used in China during the pandemic.
www.bbc.co.uk
David O'Day
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The BBC report on the AZ results is a shambles
It clearly says 90% effectiveness with 2 does the same as the Pzifer and Moderna vaccines
Clowns
Covid-19: Oxford University vaccine is highly effective
The vaccine is cheaper than other options and easier to distribute around the world.
www.bbc.co.uk
It clearly says 90% effectiveness with 2 does the same as the Pzifer and Moderna vaccines
Clowns
Brighton Sky Blue
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The BBC report on the AZ results is a shambles
Covid-19: Oxford University vaccine is highly effective
The vaccine is cheaper than other options and easier to distribute around the world.www.bbc.co.uk
It clearly says 90% effectiveness with 2 does the same as the Pzifer and Moderna vaccines
Clowns
If we can get to everyone or nearly everyone asymptomatic that’ll do
analysis also suggested there was a reduction in the number of people being infected without developing symptoms, who are still thought to be able to spread the virus
This bits relevant too,yes?
Fill us in scientist.
fernandopartridge
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The efficacy is only part of the equation though, far less is being made of the true effectiveness of it which is about the vaccine and how easy it is to administer. It's all well and good having a 95% effective vaccine from Moderna that works brilliantly in a lab but needs to be stored at -70 with specialised distribution. But, as usual with our incredibly dumbed down press, they are focusing on headline numbers they pluck out.
David O'Day
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The new tier 2 is fucking shite
Skybluefaz
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What's the gist?
David O'Day
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Got the silly Wetherspoons friendly pub laws, only pubs that serve food can open
Skybluefaz
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Oh yeah just saw that. Haven't felt like a beer for a while but I was hoping for a pint with friends before Xmas.
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Deleted member 5849
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Keeping the pork scratchings industry open
Id even take that at the moment though (concerned Birmingham will end up in T3)
Interesting comments in the Guardian article
‘Tier positions will be reviewed every 14 days, and will be based on five criteria: case numbers across all age groups; cases in those aged over 60; the rate of rise or fall in infections; the percentage of those tested who have the virus; and current and projected pressures on the NHS locally.’
Good news that they’ll be reviewed fortnightly rather than monthly and clearer (hopefully sensible if applied correctly) criteria
ps still gonna be shit but would take almost anything over full lockdown/T3
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Good old Liz Truss. Thank god she opened up those new pork markets eh!
Is that euphemism SBD ?
clint van damme
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Chipped a tooth on a pork scratching the other day, think my days of eating those artery hardening, salt Laden, hairy little bastards are over.