Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (12 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

To follow on from what I posted earlier about my concerns that people are being left to use common sense over Christmas just seen that once we're out of lockdown Primark, and other stores, will be opening 24/7. Why do we swing from one extreme to another? Surely the choice isn't close stores or keep them open 24 hours a day.

 

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[David O'Day]

The only people I know to have had Covid work in the NHS. It has to be the most critical sector to roll out any vaccine first surely.

Although, did I read one vaccine may not stop you getting/transmitting the virus but will stop you getting ill?

No, I'd say the people most at risk of dying should be the highest priority and they are. The government agrees.

The vast majority of people who have had the virus do not work in the NHS. The majority of people I know who tested positive work in education.

 

[Grendel]

To follow on from what I posted earlier about my concerns that people are being left to use common sense over Christmas just seen that once we're out of lockdown Primark, and other stores, will be opening 24/7. Why do we swing from one extreme to another? Surely the choice isn't close stores or keep them open 24 hours a day.

24 hours will be far better in terms of controlling congestion by spreading people over a very long period

 

[David O'Day]

To follow on from what I posted earlier about my concerns that people are being left to use common sense over Christmas just seen that once we're out of lockdown Primark, and other stores, will be opening 24/7. Why do we swing from one extreme to another? Surely the choice isn't close stores or keep them open 24 hours a day.

at least you can get a new t-shirt if you spew down yours after 1 too many quarter to 10 jagerbombs

 

[chiefdave]

yes but they aren't the highest priority

You are doing this again, acting like everything slightly positive is the greatest thing ever instead of being sensible and just being happy things are moving in the right direction.

Any setbacks and you'll be acting like it's the end of the world.

Relax and accept as per the government and expert advice it's likely to be Easter before things start to get back to normal.

The care home thing is just because they will have to visit the homes to administer the vaccine and that will cause issues with wastage. Doesn't mean they're going to not use the millions of doses ordered, they'll just move down the priority list to those who can attend vaccination centres.

If you look at the implementation plan its very aggressive in moving through the groups, there's not going to be weeks in one group before moving onto another.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

yes but they aren't the highest priority

You are doing this again, acting like everything slightly positive is the greatest thing ever instead of being sensible and just being happy things are moving in the right direction.

Any setbacks and you'll be acting like it's the end of the world.

Relax and accept as per the government and expert advice it's likely to be Easter before things start to get back to normal.

If they're taking care of the patients having them ill and therefore understaffed is more dangerous.

So I'd say having the people with the expertise and ability to care for others not ill and in less danger is a priority.

Of course if it is such that it may not stop you being infectious that needs to be taken into account when dealing with those in the vulnerable categories but allied with rigorous testing it makes sense.

 

[David O'Day]

The care home thing is just because they will have to visit the homes to administer the vaccine and that will cause issues with wastage. Doesn't mean they're going to not use the millions of doses ordered, they'll just move down the priority list to those who can attend vaccination centres.

If you look at the implementation plan its very aggressive in moving through the groups, there's not going to be weeks in one group before moving onto another.

I simply said currently they can't give the vaccine to who needs it most, were did I say anything different?

 

[David O'Day]

If they're taking care of the patients having them ill and therefore understaffed is more dangerous.

So I'd say having the people with the expertise and ability to care for others not ill and in less danger is a priority.

Of course if it is such that it may not stop you being infectious that needs to be taken into account when dealing with those in the vulnerable categories but allied with rigorous testing it makes sense.

Care home residents are the accepted highest priority as they are most likely to die. If you think they should be deemed the cat 1 priority you need to have a word with government.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

No, I'd say the people most at risk of dying should be the highest priority and they are. The government agrees.

The vast majority of people who have had the virus do not work in the NHS. The majority of people I know who tested positive work in education.

Calm down dear. No one said the vast majority work in the NHS. Let's not argue about the many variables.

Old folks homes and NHS most critical.

 

[David O'Day]

Calm down dear. No one said the vast majority work in the NHS. Let's not argue about the many variables.

Old folks homes and NHS most critical.

You said that the only people you knew who had covid worked in the NHS, I was simply pointing out this had no baring on anything.

So calm down dear

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

You said that the only people you knew who had covid worked in the NHS, I was simply pointing out this had no baring on anything.

So calm down dear

I know we're not Western Australia, but isn't it interesting that 25% of all incidents of the virus in the whole of WA are in health services.

No bearing on anything of course.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

yes but they aren't the highest priority

You are doing this again, acting like everything slightly positive is the greatest thing ever instead of being sensible and just being happy things are moving in the right direction.

Any setbacks and you'll be acting like it's the end of the world.

Relax and accept as per the government and expert advice it's likely to be Easter before things start to get back to normal.

The whole situation is really affecting people's mental health. I think he's allowed to take any small positive as the greatest thing ever if it helps him to deal with the situation.

@SkyBlueDom26 you keep being positive bud. We're all with you and hope that things continue getting better.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The whole situation is really affecting people's mental health. I think he's allowed to take any small positive as the greatest thing ever if it helps him to deal with the situation.

@SkyBlueDom26 you keep being positive bud. We're all with you and hope that things continue getting better.

Even if its just the NHS staff getting the jab its a good start ain't it, then I'm hopeful the other vaccines will get approval in the next few weeks

 

[David O'Day]

I know we're not Western Australia, but isn't it interesting that 25% of all incidents of the virus in the whole of WA are in health services.

No bearing on anything of course.

You're right it doesn't have any bearing on anything. If you could show that in the UK then maybe you'd be on to something.

The reason care home residents and staff are in cat 1 and nhs staff cat 2 is because the biggest danger is if any winter outbreak gets into care homes again you will see deaths increase massively again.

These aren't my categories they are the governments.

 

[David O'Day]

The whole situation is really affecting people's mental health. I think he's allowed to take any small positive as the greatest thing ever if it helps him to deal with the situation.

@SkyBlueDom26 you keep being positive bud. We're all with you and hope that things continue getting better.

I was making the point that he needs to not get into the situation where he was before where he acted bipolar towards the news. Massive highs and crashing lows.


I know you've had a hard time so I'm going to leave this here.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Moderna will submit their coronavirus vaccine for emergency approval

Moderna said in its phase 3 clinical trials they recorded 196 infections, but only 11 of these were in people who received the vaccine. They added that no safety concerns were raised during the trial.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Bugsy]

one thing i don't understand is, what has alcohol got anything to do with the virus ??? for example in Wales pubs, restaurants etc have got a curfew by 6pm i understand that, but there not permitted to sell alcohol. why not ??

maybe im missing something or the point but i dont understand why we can drink alcohol

 

[shmmeee]

one thing i don't understand is, what has alcohol got anything to do with the virus ??? for example in Wales pubs, restaurants etc have got a curfew by 6pm i understand that, but there not permitted to sell alcohol. why not ??

maybe im missing something or the point but i dont understand why we can drink alcohol

People less likely to follow social distancing when pissed basically.

 

[David O'Day]

one thing i don't understand is, what has alcohol got anything to do with the virus ??? for example in Wales pubs, restaurants etc have got a curfew by 6pm i understand that, but there not permitted to sell alcohol. why not ??

maybe im missing something or the point but i dont understand why we can drink alcohol

It's more than drunk people are less likely to follow rules so the banning of selling alcohol makes more sense than closing at 10pm but still being able to sell as much booze as possible before that.

 

[Bugsy]

People less likely to follow social distancing when pissed basically.

should of known that really but surly that's up to the person drinking its not the pubs fault some folk cant handle their drink in a sense. ruining business left right and centre

 

[Bugsy]

It's more than drunk people are less likely to follow rules so the banning of selling alcohol makes more sense than closing at 10pm but still being able to sell as much booze as possible before that.

but even so its an outright ban on alcohol witch isn't right in my opinion, wheres the free will people making up their own minds.

just a view of myself like

 

[shmmeee]

should of known that really but surly that's up to the person drinking its not the pubs fault some folk cant handle their drink in a sense. ruining business left right and centre

Lack of government support is ruining businesses, I’d agree. You can’t tell people to shut or limit their business for public health reasons and not compensate them appropriately.

That said, I think you’d be hard pushed to find a pub that stops serving people when they’re tipsy.

 

[shmmeee]

but even so its an outright ban on alcohol witch isn't right in my opinion, wheres the free will people making up their own minds.

just a view of myself like

We live in a society with laws. This is basic social contract stuff. Same as gun laws. Same as drug laws. Same as driving laws. Also when dealing with populations millions of small decisions add up to one large one.

The concept of “personal responsibility” kind of falls apart during a pandemic. We act as a group or we don’t act at all.

 

[fernandopartridge]

To follow on from what I posted earlier about my concerns that people are being left to use common sense over Christmas just seen that once we're out of lockdown Primark, and other stores, will be opening 24/7. Why do we swing from one extreme to another? Surely the choice isn't close stores or keep them open 24 hours a day.

On the other hand it avoids the compression of everybody piling in in a shorter time window and the associated problems with public transport etc

 

[David O'Day]

but even so its an outright ban on alcohol witch isn't right in my opinion, wheres the free will people making up their own minds.

just a view of myself like

We don't have outright free will, laws govern society and anyway there are already licensing laws that regulate and restrict the sale of alcohol.

Also it's not an outright ban on alcohol as it is still available else where and it's a compromise to allow the hospitality industry to still try and stay open.

 

[Bugsy]

We don't have outright free will, laws govern society and anyway there are already licensing laws that regulate and restrict the sale of alcohol.

Also it's not an outright ban on alcohol as it is still available else where and it's a compromise to allow the hospitality industry to still try and stay open.

in pubs and restaurants it is an outright ban,
"in Pubs and restaurants across Wales will be banned from selling alcohol and be forced to close at 6pm every evening".

 

[David O'Day]

in pubs and restaurants it is an outright ban,
"in Pubs and restaurants across Wales will be banned from selling alcohol and be forced to close at 6pm every evening".

Not in society though it isn't. Cool should they just close them completely?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

No point in the pubs opening, pathetic from the welsh government

 

[Bugsy]

Not in society though it isn't. Cool should they just close them completely?

no of course not, the complete opposite, they should be allowing us all to get hammered after a three course meal, might actually help a little bit after the shite year everyone has had being its the run upto Christmas like.

even if its just a glass of red after a nice bit of medium rare wouldn't go a miss would it that's not to bad or a lot to ask really

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I don't social distance when I'm pissed, I wanna hug anybody, even total strangers.

 

[David O'Day]

no of course not, the complete opposite, they should be allowing us all to get hammered after a three course meal, might actually help a little bit after the shite year everyone has had being its the run upto Christmas like.

even if its just a glass of red after a nice bit of medium rare wouldn't go a miss would it that's not to bad or a lot to ask really

so more people die? fuck that mate

 

[David O'Day]

No point in the pubs opening, pathetic from the welsh government

why is it pathetic to try and keep peoples jobs but also slow the spread of a virus, weapon

 

[Bugsy]

so more people die? fuck that mate

1st part was a joke but what is the harm in having a pint or a glass of wine after food instead of none at all. All it needs is say two alcoholic drinks with ur meal instead of nothing. Boost there incomings abit even if it's marginally

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

why is it pathetic to try and keep peoples jobs but also slow the spread of a virus, weapon

No point in them opening if they can't serve alcohol, bet they make most of their revenue from it

 

[Grendel]

No point in the pubs opening, pathetic from the welsh government

Yoy couldn’t make it up really