Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (261 Viewers)

chiefdave · Dec 4, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Not sure why the government keeps delivering headlines instead of delivering reality. They just keep setting themselves up to look incompetent.

Noticed last night when they were talking about who gets the vaccine first, which seems to be changing as medical professionals are being bumped down the queue, they slipped in that we're getting an initial 800K doses, enough for 400K people, but have no timeframe on when we'll be getting anymore.

The way it was being spoken about by the NHS chap on the radio was that the next delivery wouldn't be anytime soon. Sounded like the 800K could be everything we get this year.

jordan210 · Dec 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
Noticed last night when they were talking about who gets the vaccine first, which seems to be changing as medical professionals are being bumped down the queue, they slipped in that we're getting an initial 800K doses, enough for 400K people, but have no timeframe on when we'll be getting anymore.

The way it was being spoken about by the NHS chap on the radio was that the next delivery wouldn't be anytime soon. Sounded like the 800K could be everything we get this year.

pfizer have cut production in half for the year due to ingredients not being of high enough quality. So who knows what will get what from them now.

CCFCSteve · Dec 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
Noticed last night when they were talking about who gets the vaccine first, which seems to be changing as medical professionals are being bumped down the queue, they slipped in that we're getting an initial 800K doses, enough for 400K people, but have no timeframe on when we'll be getting anymore.

The way it was being spoken about by the NHS chap on the radio was that the next delivery wouldn't be anytime soon. Sounded like the 800K could be everything we get this year.

After Williamson’s diplomacy they probably pulled the order and thought ‘f*ck ‘em’ !!!

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 4, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Agreed Pete. We were all ill prepared and have struggled to get to grips with it. I honestly do think every nation (with the exception of some of what trump/States have done) has tried to do their best in unprecedented times though. Look at even Germany’s numbers for the second wave...and I rate Merkel - not looks wise ; )

Hopefully 2021 will be better for everyone

Some things are out of a government's control. I'd still rather have Germany's handling of this, than ours, however.

An awful lot of countries seem to have dithered this time out, nobody wanting to put themselves at an economic disadvantage by shutting down. of course the consequence is, we all have, but half-heartedly, and then all the shops end up hamstrung at their busiest times of year, anyway!

Oh, as for the business travel, that must be a joke - surely!

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 4, 2020

chiefdave said:
Noticed last night when they were talking about who gets the vaccine first, which seems to be changing as medical professionals are being bumped down the queue, they slipped in that we're getting an initial 800K doses, enough for 400K people, but have no timeframe on when we'll be getting anymore.

The way it was being spoken about by the NHS chap on the radio was that the next delivery wouldn't be anytime soon. Sounded like the 800K could be everything we get this year.

In itself, not a problem either. It's inevitable a difficult to transport vaccine will take a while to get through the supply chain. Think just about every sane person is prepared to wait if there's progress.

So yeah, they need to stop making big claims to let everyone down when they don't happen!

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 4, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
After Williamson’s diplomacy they probably pulled the order and thought ‘f*ck ‘em’ !!!

You know what I wouldn’t be surprised

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 4, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Some things are out of a government's control. I'd still rather have Germany's handling of this, than ours, however.

An awful lot of countries seem to have dithered this time out, nobody wanting to put themselves at an economic disadvantage by shutting down. of course the consequence is, we all have, but half-heartedly, and then all the shops end up hamstrung at their busiest times of year, anyway!

Oh, as for the business travel, that must be a joke - surely!

That’s true and fair

CCFCSteve · Dec 4, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Some things are out of a government's control. I'd still rather have Germany's handling of this, than ours, however.

An awful lot of countries seem to have dithered this time out, nobody wanting to put themselves at an economic disadvantage by shutting down. of course the consequence is, we all have, but half-heartedly, and then all the shops end up hamstrung at their busiest times of year, anyway!

Oh, as for the business travel, that must be a joke - surely!

Yeah, just to clarify, 100% Germany appear to have dealt with it the best out of the similar sized nations in Europe, just making the point that even they have struggled to contain the second wave looking at their numbers over recent weeks

skybluetony176 · Dec 4, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, just to clarify, 100% Germany appear to have dealt with it the best out of the similar sized nations in Europe, just making the point that even they have struggled to contain the second wave looking at their numbers over recent weeks

You have to remember though that their health service capacity to deal with it is far superior to ours so their numbers relevant to hospital capacity are a lot better than ours and that’s the real important number. Our health service is in a lot more danger of being overrun than theirs and that’s the point deaths can just spiral and spiral.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 4, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
You have to remember though that their health service capacity to deal with it is far superior to ours so their numbers relevant to hospital capacity are a lot better than ours and that’s the real important number. Our health service is in a lot more danger of being overrun than theirs and that’s the point deaths can just spiral and spiral.

Your MP is a twat. Was saying how he wasn't going to vote with government about restrictions, because Rugby shouldn't be tied in with Coventry. Missed the fact that Rugby's rate was above Coventry's when the tiers were decided, and that Rugby's tied to Walsgrave ever since they nuked St Cross's A&E facility.

Despite his homophobia I'd always assumed he was a half-capable MP, but he seems to be ignoring his own statistics for populist drivel now.

skybluetony176 · Dec 4, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Your MP is a twat. Was saying how he wasn't going to vote with government about restrictions, because Rugby shouldn't be tied in with Coventry. Missed the fact that Rugby's rate was above Coventry's when the tiers were decided, and that Rugby's tied to Walsgrave ever since they nuked St Cross's A&E facility.

Despite his homophobia I'd always assumed he was a half-capable MP, but he seems to be ignoring his own statistics for populist drivel now.

Yeah. He’s a twat. Although he did support all the early day motions regarding football governance and CCFC’s predicament. He’s also been very good regarding seeing Brandon reopening as a motorsports venue, backed it at every turn and been at every meeting with residents and motorsports promoters ect from what I’ve read and heard. Other than that though...

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 4, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Yeah. He’s a twat. Although he did support all the early day motions regarding football governance and CCFC’s predicament. He’s also been very good regarding seeing Brandon reopening as a motorsports venue, backed it at every turn and been at every meeting with residents and motorsports promoters ect from what I’ve heard. Other than that though...

His Dad was a decent MP, even if he was a Tory I'd kind of hoped he'd be cut from similar cloth, but he seems even more of a reactionary tool.

Macca · Dec 5, 2020

Is it correct that the vaccine only offers about 3 months immunity?

shmmeee · Dec 5, 2020

Macca said:
Is it correct that the vaccine only offers about 3 months immunity?

We don’t know for sure. Think it’s likely to be longer than that. Trials had their second shot about four months ago:

From:Everything you need to know about the Pfizer/BioNTech covid-19 vaccine

wingy · Dec 5, 2020

Is there going to be any attempt to deliver the vaccine to the under 55age group ?
I'd have still thought this is the age group to target as they're the most active both through work and social activity , unless it has no effect on infectiousness?
But they will need to be done anyway if the mooted health passport materialises regards carrying on leisure type activity,flying etc .

wingy · Dec 5, 2020

The divisions!
Would appear to be based largely around socio economic /class structure possibly IQ too.

The response this time is much more fractured largely due to economic hawk's getting an extremely lenient hearing .
It's turned into a typical but me me me excercise through what has been extremely weak leadership , confusing and sometimes illogical baffling messaging and permitted activities.
All far too complex.
Definitely not at all in it together.

David O'Day · Dec 5, 2020

wingy said:
Is there going to be any attempt to deliver the vaccine to the under 55age group ?
I'd have still thought this is the age group to target as they're the most active both through work and social activity , unless it has no effect on infectiousness?
But they will need to be done anyway if the mooted health passport materialises regards carrying on leisure type activity,flying etc .

yes there will be but they are quite rightly targeting those who will be most risk of dying first. As more vaccines are approved you will see the speed that they work through the categories increase.

Once the AZ/Oxford vaccine is approved that will speed things up as it is far easy to use from a logistical stand point and you can then take the vaccine out properly into the community.

wingy · Dec 5, 2020

David O'Day said:
yes there will be but they are quite rightly targeting those who will be most risk of dying first. As more vaccines are approved you will see the speed that they work through the categories increase.

Once the AZ/Oxford vaccine is approved that will speed things up as it is far easy to use from a logistical stand point and you can then take the vaccine out properly into the community.

Yes just pondering the confidence that it may hold some effect on onward transmission.
Doesn't seem to suggest that though,
would be a pleasant bonus outcome.

ajsccfc · Dec 5, 2020

I'm refusing the Oxford one unless they print the Union flag on like was suggested by someone definitely not a moron, it's all well and good being protected from a virus but if you can have a booster shot of bulldog spirit along with it you're unstoppable. Side effects include stiff upper lip and an aversion to truth

David O'Day · Dec 5, 2020

wingy said:
Yes just pondering the confidence that it may hold some effect on onward transmission.
Doesn't seem to suggest that though,
would be a pleasant bonus outcome.

People just need to hold their nerve and be patient. Vaccines are not going to wipe out the virus overnight so we need to be prepared for what will be pretty horrible news to come in cases and death counts come January if people do go overboard at Christmas.

Hopefully April or May we can start to relax and have a really messy summer

David O'Day · Dec 5, 2020

ajsccfc said:
I'm refusing the Oxford one unless they print the Union flag on like was suggested by someone definitely not a moron, it's all well and good being protected from a virus but if you can have a booster shot of bulldog spirit along with it you're unstoppable. Side effects include stiff upper lip and an aversion to truth

Would that be next to the Swedish flag

skybluetony176 · Dec 5, 2020

Just looking on social media and it’s amazing the vocal people who’ve just spent the last 3 weeks talking about their human right to go to the pub have fuck all to say about the welcome news regarding the vaccine. It’s almost as if they’ve built a political career out of peddling fear and positive news is no good in promoting their personal agendas.

Brylowes · Dec 5, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Just looking on social media and it’s amazing the vocal people who’ve just spent the last 3 weeks talking about their human right to go to the pub have fuck all to say about the welcome news regarding the vaccine. It’s almost as if they’ve built a political career out of peddling fear and positive news is no good in promoting their personal agendas.

Surely folks who are longing to get back into the pub will be welcoming the vaccine in with both arms,
I know I am.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 5, 2020

Brylowes said:
Surely folks who are longing to get back into the pub will be welcoming the vaccine in with both arms,
I know I am.

Depends if they agree that a 99% reduction in deaths and hospitalisations is enough to stop ruining everything

Brylowes · Dec 5, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Depends if they agree that a 99% reduction in deaths and hospitalisations is enough to stop ruining everything

The thing is regarding Covid19, when the media go out to report on pubs and the behaviour of those using them, they tend to head for Soho, Mathew St in Liverpool and other big city popular nightspots.
It really doesn’t give a fair and balanced representation of how the vast majority of British pubs have been doing things since this all began back in March ‘and that goes for owners, staff and customers.

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 5, 2020

Brylowes said:
The thing is regarding Covid19, when the media go out to report on pubs and the behaviour of those using them, they tend to head for Soho, Mathew St Liverpool and other big city popular nightspots.
It really doesn’t give a fair and balanced representation of how the vast majority of British pubs have been doing things since this all began back in March ‘and that goes for owners, staff and customers.

My big concern is that we normalise things that really aren’t necessary

Brylowes · Dec 5, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
My big concern is that we normalise things that really aren’t necessary

Agreed.

skybluetony176 · Dec 5, 2020

Brylowes said:
Surely folks who are longing to get back into the pub will be welcoming the vaccine in with both arms,
I know I am.

Depends on the folks. If you’ve made or are making your career out of peddling fear then the great news and hope from a vaccine being rolled out isn’t for you. I’m talking specifically about the public voices here like Farage and out of work actor Laurence Fox. Can’t see that either of them has said anything about the vaccine. It actually looks like Farage took a couple of days off social media he was so perplexed by hope in the population.

Macca · Dec 5, 2020

shmmeee said:
We don’t know for sure. Think it’s likely to be longer than that. Trials had their second shot about four months ago:

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From:Everything you need to know about the Pfizer/BioNTech covid-19 vaccine

Cheers but with me being too lazy and busy to find things myself I have another question
Let’s say it’s 6 months, then what. Another round or do we expect it to disappear during the immunity period with less potential hosts?

David O'Day · Dec 5, 2020

Macca said:
Cheers but with me being too lazy and busy to find things myself I have another question
Let’s say it’s 6 months, then what. Another round or do we expect it to disappear during the immunity period with less potential hosts?

You may need boosters but that would just be like the current flu jab.

CCFCSteve · Dec 5, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
Depends on the folks. If you’ve made or are making your career out of peddling fear then the great news and hope from a vaccine being rolled out isn’t for you. I’m talking specifically about the public voices here like Farage and out of work actor Laurence Fox. Can’t see that either of them has said anything about the vaccine. It actually looks like Farage took a couple of days off social media he was so perplexed by hope in the population.

Left (*guardian) and right (*Mail) both pedal negativity just from different angles. This is also echoed on social media bubbles on both sides. I don’t get it myself, especially in the middle of a pandemic. I’ve said before, god knows what would’ve happened if our current media/social media had been around during the world wars....no need for propaganda, our own media would’ve done enough to drag down the morale of the country.

Bizarre but guessing thats what sells/makes money. It’s a bit sad really but that’s the world we live in, people would rather find fault and negatively, than focus on the positives, especially if that negativity is aligned to their usual way of thinking or helps to re-enforce their own views

*just two examples but sure there’s more

Brighton Sky Blue · Dec 5, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Left (*guardian) and right (*Mail) both pedal negativity just from different angles. This is also echoed on social media bubbles on both sides. I don’t get it myself, especially in the middle of a pandemic. I’ve said before, god knows what would’ve happened if our current media/social media had been around during the world wars....no need for propaganda, our own media would’ve done enough to drag down the morale of the country.

Bizarre but guessing thats what sells/makes money. It’s a bit sad really but that’s the world we live in, people would rather find fault and negatively, than focus on the positives, especially if that negativity is aligned to their usual way of thinking or helps to re-enforce their own views

*just two examples but sure there’s more

It’s a shame that we even have lefty and righty media

chiefdave · Dec 5, 2020

For anyone who has been wondering what happens to the other 10% when there's talk of a vaccine with a success rate of 90% this article explains it in terms us non-scientists can understand.

Covid-19: Will a vaccine give us our old lives back? - BBC News

Why vaccines need to reach a huge number of people before we can safely ditch our face masks.

www.bbc.co.uk

Have to say it does make the idea of everything being back to normal by next summer seem doubtful.

Grendel · Dec 5, 2020

chiefdave said:
For anyone who has been wondering what happens to the other 10% when there's talk of a vaccine with a success rate of 90% this article explains it in terms us non-scientists can understand.

Covid-19: Will a vaccine give us our old lives back? - BBC News

Why vaccines need to reach a huge number of people before we can safely ditch our face masks.

www.bbc.co.uk

Have to say it does make the idea of everything being back to normal by next summer seem doubtful.

why? That article suggests we will

Ian1779 · Dec 5, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
Left (*guardian) and right (*Mail) both pedal negativity just from different angles. This is also echoed on social media bubbles on both sides. I don’t get it myself, especially in the middle of a pandemic. I’ve said before, god knows what would’ve happened if our current media/social media had been around during the world wars....no need for propaganda, our own media would’ve done enough to drag down the morale of the country.

Bizarre but guessing thats what sells/makes money. It’s a bit sad really but that’s the world we live in, people would rather find fault and negatively, than focus on the positives, especially if that negativity is aligned to their usual way of thinking or helps to re-enforce their own views

*just two examples but sure there’s more

The left negativity is about the corruption of the state and the cronyism involved.
The right negativity taps directly into peoples psyche by demonising minority groups and making them the reasons why the state had failed the general populous.

To compare them as balancing equals is not really accurate in the slightest.

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