Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (125 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

William Shakespeare form Warwickshire - you couldn’t make it up

 

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[jimmyhillsfanclub]

So.....5 weeks since schools went back after HT and infection rates still dropping in most parts of the country......with notable exceptions where high level of household & social mixing occuring.....

....some of us said its not all about the schools & they were right to keep them open!

Hopefully, as a belt & braces approach, they'll coordinate the inevitable 3rd national lockdown to roll into the February HT.

 

[wingy]

So.....5 weeks since schools went back after HT and infection rates still dropping in most parts of the country......with notable exceptions where high level of household & social mixing occuring.....

....some of us said its not all about the schools & they were right to keep them open!

Hopefully, as a belt & braces approach, they'll coordinate the inevitable 3rd national lockdown to roll into the February HT.

You'd hope so jhfc,but the option was there for the last ht,it was advised but passed up.
Retrospectively the current reduction as acknowledged today by the pm was due to the November lockdown .
Why was it that October wasn't deemed the appropriate moment to introduce as advised?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

You'd hope so jhfc,but the option was there for the last ht,it was advised but passed up.
Retrospectively the current reduction as acknowledged today by the pm was due to the November lockdown .
Why was it that October wasn't deemed the appropriate moment to introduce as advised?

Don't get me wrong Wingy mate....I'm not defending the twats in charge.....just having a little friendly poke at some of the posters on here who were campaigning for the schools to be closed as they were convinced they were the superspreader centres.....clearly, after another 5 weeks of schools being open throughout the 2nd wave, with infection rates still falling, I think we can finally put that myth to bed.

 

[shmmeee]

Don't get me wrong Wingy mate....I'm not defending the twats in charge.....just having a little friendly poke at some of the posters on here who were campaigning for the schools to be closed as they were convinced they were the superspreader centres.....clearly, after another 5 weeks of schools being open throughout the 2nd wave, with infection rates still falling, I think we can finally put that myth to bed.

Did you miss the national lockdown for a month or....?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Did you miss the national lockdown for a month or....?

...were the schools closed?

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Did you miss the national lockdown for a month or....?

His point is the schools were still open during that period. The lockdown seems to have worked despite apparent "superspreaders (schools)" still being open.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I've thought of a headline for the Sun "Covrid!" - Coventry becomes the first place in the world to vaccinate a person against Covid

 

[fernandopartridge]

...were the schools closed?

It isn't a myth though, there is a clear correlation between schools returning and the second wave gaining traction. I suspect that many school aged children may have contracted it during this period (asymptomatic or otherwise) and thus within schools there is possibly a degree of immunity, and as such the spread within schools has slowed. November's lockdown has then helped to reduce transmission amongst the wider community.

 

[wingy]

I've thought of a headline for the Sun "Covrid!" - Coventry becomes the first place in the world to vaccinate a person against Covid

First person in the world vaccinated with the Phizer vaccine .

 

[shmmeee]

His point is the schools were still open during that period. The lockdown seems to have worked despite apparent "superspreaders (schools)" still being open.

Yes but nothing else was.

So let’s say schools are a serious point of spread, if you stop all over mixing it won’t matter as infections will stop with the family.

The data shows secondary age pupils spread as much as adults. There’s no reason secondary schools wouldn’t be virus hot spots.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

It isn't a myth though, there is a clear correlation between schools returning and the second wave gaining traction. I suspect that many school aged children may have contracted it during this period (asymptomatic or otherwise) and thus within schools there is possibly a degree of immunity, and as such the spread within schools has slowed. November's lockdown has then helped to reduce transmission amongst the wider community.

Fair enough..."myth" was a particularly bad choice of word given the levels of denial surrounding Covid.
The point I was trying to make, which @Rich has nicely summarised, is that lockdowns can work without closing schools, which IMO should remain open at nearly all costs, 2nd only the NHS facilities.
The damage done by schools closing for 6 months was catastrophic, especially in deprived areas. We must never do that again.

 

[wingy]

Don't get me wrong Wingy mate....I'm not defending the twats in charge.....just having a little friendly poke at some of the posters on here who were campaigning for the schools to be closed as they were convinced they were the superspreader centres.....clearly, after another 5 weeks of schools being open throughout the 2nd wave, with infection rates still falling, I think we can finally put that myth to bed.

Acknowledged.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

His point is the schools were still open during that period. The lockdown seems to have worked despite apparent "superspreaders (schools)" still being open.

Yeah I mean it’s not like whole year groups had to be sent home, classes had to be taught remotely and live at the same time and teachers still weren’t allowed to teach normally but yeah, glad we did it.

 

[David O'Day]

...were the schools closed?

No but the remain the largest spreading points. If you lockdown you can depress the points of transmissions enough in other parts of society. Also the decline in transmission seems to have start to flatten at an alarmingly high level.

 

[shmmeee]

Fair enough..."myth" was a particularly bad choice of word given the levels of denial surrounding Covid.
The point I was trying to make, which @Rich has nicely summarised, is that lockdowns can work without closing schools, which IMO should remain open at nearly all costs, 2nd only the NHS facilities.
The damage done by schools closing for 6 months was catastrophic, especially in deprived areas. We must never do that again.

I think the damage was from a lack of imagination about how to deliver education during a pandemic. And we overreacted by closing primaries in the first place. But yeah I can agree with that.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Don't get me wrong Wingy mate....I'm not defending the twats in charge.....just having a little friendly poke at some of the posters on here who were campaigning for the schools to be closed as they were convinced they were the superspreader centres.....clearly, after another 5 weeks of schools being open throughout the 2nd wave, with infection rates still falling, I think we can finally put that myth to bed.

They'd have fallen quicker if closed as well, and that would have given more wriggle room going forward.

It's never been an argument (from me, at least) that closing other things and not schools will have no effect, it's whether there's a point to the mild effect not supressing it sufficiently that you can relax restrictions to the level they are, fairly confident that it won't come back to bite in Jan / Feb / March.

As for schools open at all costs - what's more unfair? Some pupils having to isolate while others go in, some teachers off while others aren't... or the same equitable teaching product available to all? What would be far better would have been to plan how to deliver education in the nine monts we've had since the first lockdown began.

 

[David O'Day]

They'd have fallen quicker if closed as well, and that would have given more wriggle room going forward.

It's never been an argument (from me, at least) that closing other things and not schools will have no effect, it's whether there's a point to the mild effect not supressing it sufficiently that you can relax restrictions to the level they are, fairly confident that it won't come back to bite in Jan / Feb / March.

As for schools open at all costs - what's more unfair? Some pupils having to isolate while others go in, some teachers off while others aren't... or the same equitable teaching product available to all? What would be far better would have been to plan how to deliver education in the nine monts we've had since the first lockdown began.

Weren't the projections that you'd need to spend half the time we did in lockdown if we closed schools?

 

[Skybluefaz]

My wife's school had lost something like 281 sick days just to teaching staff. That was about a month ago. Some schools were forced to close.

 

[Macca]

First person in the world vaccinated with the Phizer vaccine .

Covrid is snappier for me

 

[Skybluefaz]

Just when you thought Mancock couldn't make himself look anymore of a twat.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Just when you thought Mancock couldn't make himself look anymore of a twat.

Crocodile tears if ever I've seen them. Should have told him MP's wouldn't be getting their pay rise and we would have seen something more realistic.

 

[chiefdave]

Fair enough..."myth" was a particularly bad choice of word given the levels of denial surrounding Covid.
The point I was trying to make, which @Rich has nicely summarised, is that lockdowns can work without closing schools, which IMO should remain open at nearly all costs, 2nd only the NHS facilities.
The damage done by schools closing for 6 months was catastrophic, especially in deprived areas. We must never do that again.

Lockdown was really just doing what they experts had been saying all summer. If you want to open up schools something else has to close to offset it. So we kept schools open but closed bars, restaurants etc.

One for the teachers on here. With the huge numbers of students and staff off, and with some schools seeing who year groups sent home or even schools shut completely are kids actually getting their full education or is there going to need to be a lot of going back over things when we're back to normal?

 

[Macca]

Just when you thought Mancock couldn't make himself look anymore of a twat.

like everything on that show, pantomime for dossers

 

[shmmeee]

Lockdown was really just doing what they experts had been saying all summer. If you want to open up schools something else has to close to offset it. So we kept schools open but closed bars, restaurants etc.

One for the teachers on here. With the huge numbers of students and staff off, and with some schools seeing who year groups sent home or even schools shut completely are kids actually getting their full education or is there going to need to be a lot of going back over things when we're back to normal?

Not a teacher any more, but are they fook. As my daughter is Y6 this year I’m hoping they’re sensible when looking at SATs results next year because they will be so variable.

 

[ajsccfc]

It's nice that Bill Shakespeare was rolled out for the cameras to get a jab but think of poor Harry Shipman in the same ward who's been told to fuck off

 

[David O'Day]

It's nice that Bill Shakespeare was rolled out for the cameras to get a jab but think of poor Harry Shipman in the same ward who's been told to fuck off

Jack Tripper was left out again I see

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Lockdown was really just doing what they experts had been saying all summer. If you want to open up schools something else has to close to offset it. So we kept schools open but closed bars, restaurants etc.

One for the teachers on here. With the huge numbers of students and staff off, and with some schools seeing who year groups sent home or even schools shut completely are kids actually getting their full education or is there going to need to be a lot of going back over things when we're back to normal?

No time to go back over things, I will do well to finish the GCSE course as it is.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Jack Tripper was left out again I see

Nobody knows who he is to be fair

 

[chiefdave]

No time to go back over things, I will do well to finish the GCSE course as it is.

How will it work then? If huge chunks of students have been missing weeks and there's no time to catch up on that work then surely if you grade in the same way as other years there's going to be a problem.

Or are we just accepting that the main aim of exam results is to push people through to the next stage (ie: GCSE results to get you on Levels, ALevel results to get you into uni etc) and it doesn't really matter if results year to year aren't equitable as long as you have the right number of people moving onto the next stage?

Obviously not an easy answer as any plan will have its flaws but it does rather negate the 'keep schools open at all costs' mantra if kids still aren't getting taught the full curriculum.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How will it work then? If huge chunks of students have been missing weeks and there's no time to catch up on that work then surely if you grade in the same way as other years there's going to be a problem.

Or are we just accepting that the main aim of exam results is to push people through to the next stage (ie: GCSE results to get you on Levels, ALevel results to get you into uni etc) and it doesn't really matter if results year to year aren't equitable as long as you have the right number of people moving onto the next stage?

Obviously not an easy answer as any plan will have its flaws but it does rather negate the 'keep schools open at all costs' mantra if kids still aren't getting taught the full curriculum.

What will happen is that teachers will be expected to provide after school catch up on the topics that have been affected. As I have said before, I’m not allowed to do practicals despite teaching a practical subject. Add in that I have to stay in a box, can’t go over and help someone and my being here is pointless. If I were allowed to teach normally the children could learn normally.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The damage done by schools closing for 6 months was catastrophic, especially in deprived areas. We must never do that again.

I think you're completely wrong there as you're looking at it in isolation from what was happening with the virus spreading in March / April. It was absolutely necessary as even having done it, we're still at 80k + dead and growing every single day.

 

[David O'Day]

In England the first person to get the jab is an Elderly lady

In Wales it's care home workers

In Northern Ireland the person in charge of their roll out gets it first fair fucks to her

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think you're completely wrong there as you're looking at it in isolation from what was happening with the virus spreading in March / April. It was absolutely necessary as even having done it, we're still at 80k + dead and growing every single day.

And still causing unchecked carnage for mental health

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

..Obviously not an easy answer as any plan will have its flaws but it does rather negate the 'keep schools open at all costs' mantra if kids still aren't getting taught the full curriculum.

As much as I'd love to live in a world where schools were just about education....In the real world, schools offer many kids a safehaven, somewhere warm, somewhere where they can get some food, somewhere they're not scared, somewhere where they receive some attention, some friendship & dare I say, even some love.....so I'd say it certainly does not negate any argument to keep schools open.