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Deleted member 5849 · Dec 13, 2020

There's something about a certain mentality among some older people. I've got relatives who are taking the train and bus for day trips, strolling into the city centre for a bit of browsing around the shops (when they don't want to buy anything!) and refuse all offers of help when it comes to me getting their groceries etc.

I mean, what do you do at that point? At some stage, however mental I think it is, it is their life to live as they please.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 13, 2020

LastGarrison said:
Badly.

I couldn't help it the other week and told him that I was not ready to bury him next to my Mum.

Although I meant it from the bottom of my heart. I felt a right c**t.

Ditto I’m with you in spirit mate

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 13, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
There's something about a certain mentality among some older people. I've got relatives who are taking the train and bus for day trips, strolling into the city centre for a bit of browsing around the shops (when they don't want to buy anything!) and refuse all offers of help when it comes to me getting their groceries etc.

I mean, what do you do at that point? At some stage, however mental I think it is, it is their life to live as they please.

I suppose when their activities mean you are more dangerous with other vulnerable people like your wife’s parents for instance, it’s a problem

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 13, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I suppose when their activities mean you are more dangerous with other vulnerable people like your wife’s parents for instance, it’s a problem

Yeah, I see that, and I have strongly suggested my parents don't go to visit said relatives, especially over Christmas!

I see the other way with my parents too, mind you. They've been pretty cautious, and I've drummed it into them to be so, but I'm also slightly nervous I'm coming across as over-protective.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 13, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, I see that, and I have strongly suggested my parents don't go to visit said relatives, especially over Christmas!

I see the other way with my parents too, mind you. They've been pretty cautious, and I've drummed it into them to be so, but I'm also slightly nervous I'm coming across as over-protective.

I’m definitely being over protective. Not talking to one of my sisters who is an, everyone is entitled to their opinion, non accepting of science, annoyance. I’ll get over it and stop being a pretentious prick at some point. I did over burge eventually

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 13, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m definitely being over protective. Not talking to one of my sisters who is an, everyone is entitled to their opinion, non accepting of science, annoyance. I’ll get over it and stop being a pretentious prick at some point. I did over burge eventually

Your sister's the other extreme though, and entirely deserves shunning ;-) I do get people wanting to live their lives etc. but not, as you say, if it risks impacting negatively on mine, or people I care about!

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 13, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Your sister's the other extreme though, and entirely deserves shunning ;-) I do get people wanting to live their lives etc. but not, as you say, if it risks impacting negatively on mine, or people I care about!

Especially when it’s our mum ffs

wingy · Dec 13, 2020

I was at my daughter's this morning and inadvertently overhead my would be son in law making the final call to a sufferer (day 10).
For all it's failings I can't tell you how sincere and professional he was dealing with this lady who obviously was still having a bad time of it at home .

wingy · Dec 13, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
Especially when it’s our mum ffs

Sorry Pete, could you explain again as I can't seem to find the reference that explains the problem with her .

tisza · Dec 13, 2020

Germany into a month long lockdown from Wednesday

tisza · Dec 13, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah, I see that, and I have strongly suggested my parents don't go to visit said relatives, especially over Christmas!

I see the other way with my parents too, mind you. They've been pretty cautious, and I've drummed it into them to be so, but I'm also slightly nervous I'm coming across as over-protective.

My mum's stuck on her own.
She's in Stratford which has no cases but in Tier 3. My sister's down in Devon (Tier 2) with her kids. I can't get back because of quarantines etc. So at 79 she could be alone for Christmas & New Year which is stressing the hell out of her.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 13, 2020

tisza said:
My mum's stuck on her own.
She's in Stratford which has no cases but in Tier 3. My sister's down in Devon (Tier 2) with her kids. I can't get back because of quarantines etc. So at 79 she could be alone for Christmas & New Year which is stressing the hell out of her.

See in that instance, I'd say she should go to your sister if at all possible. If either of my parents were by themselves, I might take a different outlook to this whole thing, and them.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 13, 2020

wingy said:
Sorry Pete, could you explain again as I can't seem to find the reference that explains the problem with her .

Common sense and changing the recommendations and rules to mean that life doesn’t need to change too much

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 13, 2020

tisza said:
Germany into a month long lockdown from Wednesday

Wow

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 13, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
See in that instance, I'd say she should go to your sister if at all possible. If either of my parents were by themselves, I might take a different outlook to this whole thing, and them.

Agreed that’s why I’m annoyed at sisters not agreeing what’s best between us.

fernandopartridge · Dec 13, 2020

Sounds like things are going well

Skybluefaz · Dec 14, 2020

All schools in Greenwich closing due to covid numbers in the borough

stupot07 · Dec 14, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
All schools in Greenwich closing due to covid numbers in the borough

Thats a disgrace. They've forced every other area with hug numbers to stay open, which is London getting special treatment??

BTW, i think it's a sensible thing to do.

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clint van damme · Dec 14, 2020

stupot07 said:
Thats a disgrace. They've forced every other area with hug numbers to stay open, which is London getting special treatment??

BTW, i think it's a sensible thing to do.

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London has definitely been playing by a different set of rules to the rest of the country.

David O'Day · Dec 14, 2020

clint van damme said:
London has definitely been playing by a different set of rules to the rest of the country.

To be fair it is the local council that have ordered it so I guess other areas could close their schools as well if they wanted.

Skybluefaz · Dec 14, 2020

David O'Day said:
To be fair it is the local council that have ordered it so I guess other areas could close their schools as well if they wanted.

My brain is doing that thing now where I can't really process the sense in relaxing measures for Christmas if we need to close schools 2 or 3 days before they break up. Yet I can't imagine anything worse than not seeing family at Christmas. It's fucking tough going.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 14, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
My brain is doing that thing now where I can't really process the sense in relaxing measures for Christmas if we need to close schools 2 or 3 days before they break up. Yet I can't imagine anything worse than not seeing family at Christmas. It's fucking tough going.

True. They’ll be family members lost earlier than their time won’t there? :-(

Skybluefaz · Dec 14, 2020

Sky Blue Pete said:
True. They’ll be family members lost earlier than their time won’t there? :-(

Yes, it's a big mental burden placed on all of our shoulders trying to figure out what to do for the best. I guess strong leadership would help...

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 14, 2020

David O'Day said:
To be fair it is the local council that have ordered it so I guess other areas could close their schools as well if they wanted.

Yep....local decision for local people...we'll have no trouble here!

...besides, they'd probably be doing the square root of fuck-all at school this week anyhow.....wind down week for chrimbo innit.

chiefdave · Dec 14, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
All schools in Greenwich closing due to covid numbers in the borough

What on earth is going on in the Labour Party? We might as well not have an opposition.

Labour run Greenwich Council closing schools saying Public Health England advised them immediate action was needed. Labour mayor, Sadiq Khan, requesting the government close all schools as numbers are rising in London. Closures supported by the unions, National Education Union, NAHT and Association of School and College Leaders all seemingly supporting the closures.

So of course we have Starmer and Reeves doing media rounds saying schools should stay open.

Skybluefaz · Dec 14, 2020

chiefdave said:
What on earth is going on in the Labour Party? We might as well not have an opposition.

Labour run Greenwich Council closing schools saying Public Health England advised them immediate action was needed. Labour mayor, Sadiq Khan, requesting the government close all schools as numbers are rising in London. Closures supported by the unions, National Education Union, NAHT and Association of School and College Leaders all seemingly supporting the closures.

So of course we have Starmer and Reeves doing media rounds saying schools should stay open.

I guess it's because Starmer knows that Johnson will steam in with the 'He doesn't care about education! He wants to close schools! The unions blah blah'. Ultimately though, if the situation calls for it, Starmer should change his stance and support school closures.

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 14, 2020

Yep it was a daft interview I heard with reeves this morning

xcraigx · Dec 14, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
Yes, it's a big mental burden placed on all of our shoulders trying to figure out what to do for the best. I guess strong leadership would help...

Some people are going to spread COVID around the dinner table at Xmas and then come January some people are going to die. The risk is small but the risk is there and nobody can say they didn't know or didn't understand. As hard as it is the best thing to do is shield the elderly and vulnerable and look forward to spending Xmas 2021 with them. Some people won't get that chance due to their 2020 decisions.

Skybluefaz · Dec 14, 2020

xcraigx said:
Some people are going to spread COVID around the dinner table at Xmas and then come January some people are going to die. The risk is small but the risk is there and nobody can say they didn't know or didn't understand. As hard as it is the best thing to do is shield the elderly and vulnerable and look forward to spending Xmas 2021 with them. Some people won't get that chance due to their 2020 decisions.

Yes, last week I was sure I was going to go and visit my 74 year old dad on the 23rd. Today I realise if I passed it on to him I couldn't forgive myself so I'm not going to risk it. No matter how much I miss him, it ain't worth it.

SBAndy · Dec 14, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
Yes, last week I was sure I was going to go and visit my 74 year old dad on the 23rd. Today I realise if I passed it on to him I couldn't forgive myself so I'm not going to risk it. No matter how much I miss him, it ain't worth it.

Causes quite the moral dilemma. One of my grandparents is 84 and is really losing it, guidance is that she should be isolating but she’s on her own and for all we know this could be her last Christmas (horrible way to think about it, but having lost one grandparent back in October it makes you realise). Kind of want to spend it with her rather than leave her shacked up alone but equally we will have more than one household at our house anyway so probably for the best we don’t.

Skybluefaz · Dec 14, 2020

SBAndy said:
Causes quite the moral dilemma. One of my grandparents is 84 and is really losing it, guidance is that she should be isolating but she’s on her own and for all we know this could be her last Christmas (horrible way to think about it, but having lost one grandparent back in October it makes you realise). Kind of want to spend it with her rather than leave her shacked up alone but equally we will have more than one household at our house anyway so probably for the best we don’t.

It is horrible, I feel for you mate that you have to deal with that situation. I suppose comfort yourself with the fact you are doing your best for her.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 14, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
I guess it's because Starmer knows that Johnson will steam in with the 'He doesn't care about education! He wants to close schools! The unions blah blah'. Ultimately though, if the situation calls for it, Starmer should change his stance and support school closures.

If he did that he'd be accused of a U-turn and lacking leadership (which I know coming from the Tories is the pot calling the kettle black but somehow it'll stick more on Starmer than it does to Teflon Boris).

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Dec 14, 2020

It is a hell of a dilemma and one I'm glad i don't have to consider. I guess the older a person is the more likely people are to risk it because there's more chance there might not be more Christmases to enjoy with them anyway. People with family in their early 70's may be more willing to make the difficult decision not to see them this year because there's a decent chance they'll have a few more to enjoy with them in the future.

Nick · Dec 14, 2020

London going into Tier 3, good!

Cases rising and those cunts are sat indoors watching boxing.

wingy · Dec 14, 2020

Caludon revving up.

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