Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[bezzer]

But Warwick is tied to Walsgrave, and it's having an impact on Warwick hospital too, that's getting more full. The rate has also been climbing back in Warwick, too. Dunno what hospital Stratford uses, but I have more sympathy with them, as they look more to Oxfordshire etc.

Stratford residents use Stratford and Warwick Hospitals (South Warwickshire Foundation Trust). My wife works at Warwick Hospital as a Physio and you're right, it is again under pressure.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

It is denying them treatment if you say they can’t go in and receive it. It’s equivalent to me denying a percentage of my classes being in the room

It's denying them treatment less than if you didn't have restrictions!

The same as other treatment is denied because of other diseases, it's always a balancing act!

It doesn't make it good, but it's an attempt to find the least shit. Such is pragmatism.

 

[bezzer]

I believe the rising case rate in Warwick is down to rises in schools in that area

The cases in the over 60's in Warwick are rising so it's not due solely to school children.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's denying them treatment less than if you didn't have restrictions!

The same as other treatment is denied because of other diseases, it's always a balancing act!

It doesn't make it good, but it's an attempt to find the least shit. Such is pragmatism.

It’s denying people treatment for serious illness for fear of catching the great asymptomatic virus. Yes I’m being emotional with it I just see and hear the stories and find it baffling .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The cases in the over 60's in Warwick are rising so it's not due solely to school children.

It spreads from children to their relatives. As the government is now finally conceding with their phased return announcement

 

[clint van damme]

It’s denying people treatment for serious illness for fear of catching the great asymptomatic virus. Yes I’m being emotional with it I just see and hear the stories and find it baffling .

that's a bit flippant to be honest and for someone who moans about their lot as much as you you shouldn't be so cavalier about other peoples health. Especially when people on here have suffered, known people who have suffered or in one tragic case died.

 

[bezzer]

It spreads from children to their relatives. As the government is now finally conceding with their phased return announcement

Yes I know that, but not every school child goes and sees Granny and Grandad. Blaming the Government for people who don't follow the guidelines isn't helpful. My children haven't seen their over 60's Grandparents since March; ergo my wife and I haven't seen our parents either.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes I know that, but not every school child goes and sees Granny and Grandad. Blaming the Government for people who don't follow the guidelines isn't helpful. My children haven't seen their over 60's Grandparents since March; ergo my wife and I haven't seen our parents either.

Yes, but the stats show it rose first most sharply in the under 30s, especially students and school children, then to older age groups. If one year group of 150 is compromised then it’s not hard to see how it all spreads further.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

that's a bit flippant to be honest and for someone who moans about their lot as much as you you shouldn't be so cavalier about other peoples health. Especially when people on here have suffered, known people who have suffered or in one tragic case died.

As above I know I’m being irrational I’m just worn out and frustrated.

 

[David O'Day]

Forcing people to be alone at Christmas, as Chris Whitty wants, is something I can’t defend. Denying cancer patients treatment or even scans, not allowing people to receive medication for other conditions etc. All in case the great asymptomatic are unleashed.

I know I’m being irrational but I’m beyond sick and tired of it

Yes I know that, but not every school child goes and sees Granny and Grandad. Blaming the Government for people who don't follow the guidelines isn't helpful. My children haven't seen their over 60's Grandparents since March; ergo my wife and I haven't seen our parents either.

yes but all evidence of outbreaks shows it spreads throughout the youngest people first and then gets into the older age groups.

 

[bezzer]

As above I know I’m being irrational I’m just worn out and frustrated.

We all are.

 

[Grendel]

As above I know I’m being irrational I’m just worn out and frustrated.

Its not irrational there are several areas of society where judgements are made regarding deaths and cost benefit analysis is used to see if the cost is worth actually paying. This is on a much bigger scale of course but the argument remains the same

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It’s denying people treatment for serious illness for fear of catching the great asymptomatic virus. Yes I’m being emotional with it I just see and hear the stories and find it baffling .

The people being treated will be most at risk, as their immune systems will be compromised, and they'll be weakened.

There's also less capacity if the hospitals are full of Covid patients!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We all are.

Right, I just need to vent sometimes. Particularly when I have been exposed to blatant COVID risk for months and there’s a suggestion that teachers may be asked to administer COVID tests at school.
Particularly as I was calling for school closures months ago to stop this being a necessity

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Right, I just need to vent sometimes. Particularly when I have been exposed to blatant COVID risk for months and there’s a suggestion that teachers may be asked to administer COVID tests at school.
Particularly as I was calling for school closures months ago to stop this being a necessity

There are lots of people exposed to Covid risk. I'm sympathetic, believe me (I've agreed with you many-a-time about school) but... for better or worse, you're not alone!

 

[shmmeee]

Its not irrational there are several areas of society where judgements are made regarding deaths and cost benefit analysis is used to see if the cost is worth actually paying. This is on a much bigger scale of course but the argument remains the same

It does. And it remains the case that something like 70k people have died in a year and none of the opposing arguments stack up. There’s not been a spike in suicides, there’s not been a spike in any other deaths. So it all comes down to one persons life versus another’s inconvenience.

You say you’re concerned about the impact of lockdown, but I never see you asking for the government, who has ordered it, to support people through it. Or for that matter to halt the self inflicted second recession due to kick in in January. So that rings a little hollow too.

 

[Grendel]

It does. And it remains the case that something like 70k people have died in a year and none of the opposing arguments stack up. There’s not been a spike in suicides, there’s not been a spike in any other deaths. So it all comes down to one persons life versus another’s inconvenience.

You say you’re concerned about the impact of lockdown, but I never see you asking for the government, who has ordered it, to support people through it. Or for that matter to halt the self inflicted second recession due to kick in in January. So that rings a little hollow too.

I wasn’t talking about that I was responding to a point that sometimes deaths are considered collateral damage against costs

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Its not irrational there are several areas of society where judgements are made regarding deaths and cost benefit analysis is used to see if the cost is worth actually paying. This is on a much bigger scale of course but the argument remains the same

Open up about finding it difficult and it’s used against you or dismissed because everybody is. Then the government finally concedes perhaps schools should close months after the horse has bolted.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I never thought I'd say it(!) but recently I've been vaguely content with the government's handling of this. They're being more cautious than they were, they actually seem to be looking at data and listening less to the mentalists in their party. I'm not convinced about the Christmas rules (far better, to my mind, would have been to put measures in place but turn a blind eye if and when people broke them, rather than actively condoning), but appreciate the argument that having committed to it, to go back on it would result in a loss of trust for any future rules they may want to bring in.

Now, if they just sort their support measures for business out, sort out track and trace, stop trying to sideline the public health experts, and come up with a medium-term plan for education, then I might find myself in a truly alien place...

 

[bezzer]

Yes, but the stats show it rose first most sharply in the under 30s, especially students and school children, then to older age groups. If one year group of 150 is compromised then it’s not hard to see how it all spreads further.

If families followed the guidelines and used commonsense, then infections from school age children to the over 60's would be a lot smaller.
if the 150 infected year group had no contact with their elderly relatives then there would be no cross infection.
If you look at the infection rates for Warwick, the increase in infections for the under 60's mirrors that of the over 60's.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Open up about finding it difficult and it’s used against you or dismissed because everybody is.

It's not dismissed at all. But... everybody has had a shit year. I could sit here and say how shit it is for me and people I know, but I don't think a competition would be healthy for me, or anybody else.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There are lots of people exposed to Covid risk. I'm sympathetic, believe me (I've agreed with you many-a-time about school) but... for better or worse, you're not alone!

Those working in shops and schools are at the highest risk of exposure. But Chris Whitty thinks it should be illegal to see my relatives even though I am very willing to quarantine myself for as long as they wish. Don’t mean to take it out on you NW, just shouting at the birds like Abe Simpson

 

[Grendel]

Open up about finding it difficult and it’s used against you or dismissed because everybody is. Then the government finally concedes perhaps schools should close months after the horse has bolted.

The practical issue is a large percentage of people cannot work from home. Therefore for younger children it’s an issue. Where I now work other than me no one can work from home and I choose not to

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If families followed the guidelines and used commonsense, then infections from school age children to the over 60's would be a lot smaller.
if the 150 infected year group had no contact with their elderly relatives then there would be no cross infection.
If you look at the infection rates for Warwick, the increase in infections for the under 60's mirrors that of the over 60's.

They would still all take it home to their parents even without that. I had no objection to teaching remotely because what I can offer in school is crap anyway.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The practical issue is a large percentage of people cannot work from home. Therefore for younger children it’s an issue. Where I now work other than me no one can work from home and I choose not to

The answer seems to be that you become their babysitter

 

[bezzer]

Right, I just need to vent sometimes. Particularly when I have been exposed to blatant COVID risk for months and there’s a suggestion that teachers may be asked to administer COVID tests at school.
Particularly as I was calling for school closures months ago to stop this being a necessity

My wife has worked in a COVID ward (at Warwick hospital) so I know all about the risks. She's seen people die; young and old. Believe me, she also vents her anger, frustration and sadness. I'm usually her outlet for that outpouring, so forgive me if I ignore your venting.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I wasn’t talking about that I was responding to a point that sometimes deaths are considered collateral damage against costs

Indeed they are. Just remember one day you'll be considered on the wrong side of the line of collateral damage and acceptable losses.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The practical issue is a large percentage of people cannot work from home. Therefore for younger children it’s an issue. Where I now work other than me no one can work from home and I choose not to

I understand that but during the last national lockdown the % of children who had to come in was very small.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My wife has worked in a COVID ward (at Warwick hospital) so I know all about the risks. She's seen people die; young and old. Believe me, she also vents her anger, frustration and sadness. I'm usually her outlet for that outpouring, so forgive me if I ignore your venting.

A close friend of mine is a doctor at the same hospital.

 

[clint van damme]

Open up about finding it difficult and it’s used against you or dismissed because everybody is. Then the government finally concedes perhaps schools should close months after the horse has bolted.

you're the one being dismissive mate, no one is doubting you've had it tough, many on here agree schools should have been shut. But you're the one spouting this asymptomatic bollocks to trivialise the situation.

 

[bezzer]

They would still all take it home to their parents even without that. I had no objection to teaching remotely because what I can offer in school is crap anyway.

I don't know what you don't get? If those parents followed the guidelines and didn't see their parents, the cross infection wouldn't be lessened.
Not everything revolves around teachers and schools!

 

[bezzer]

A close friend of mine is a doctor at the same hospital.

Then you know what a shitty stick they have to hold.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't know what you don't get? If those parents followed the guidelines and didn't see their parents, the cross infection wouldn't be lessened.
Not everything revolves around teachers and schools!

What if their parents need someone to come around and do things on their behalf?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

you're the one being dismissive mate, no one is doubting you've had it tough, many on here agree schools should have been shut. But you're the one spouting this asymptomatic bollocks to trivialise the situation.

The figure is far higher than for pretty much any pathogen in history, that isn’t bollocks it’s objective. Though yes it wasn’t phrased diplomatically.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Then you know what a shitty stick they have to hold.

I do. And blaming it on people being selfish isn’t an argument he’s made.