Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[Brylowes]

According to Matt Hancock in a Sky interview the government has often being accused of acting too quickly.

Yes Matt, if I had pound for everyone who said you'd acted too quickly I'd have fuck all.

Oh FFS, a Snail making a late escape bid from a saucepan moves faster than Boris thinks, watching him trying to think on the spot is painful.

 

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[Brylowes]

That Powis guy reckons the summer for that

Yes that seemed to be the general consensus ‘but do you still believe it ?

 

[shepardo01]

Yes that seemed to be the general consensus ‘but do you still believe it ?

Saw something that said if we continue to roll out the vaccine at its current pace, it will take 7 years to get everyone vaccinated (interesting - but caveat that vaccine only just becoming available)

 

[wingy]

With the Amount of infection out there,or not as the case may be.
Does it afford to much opportunity for the mutations to take it beyond effective use of the current version?
IE :- either lockdowns or the opposite encourage further mutations?

 

[hill83]

My lads primary school have just announced they won’t be opening due to lack of staff. 1 hour notice effectively. The government could have this wrapped up over a week ago.

 

[fernandopartridge]

With the Amount of infection out there,or not as the case may be.
Does it afford to much opportunity for the mutations to take it beyond effective use of the current version?
IE :- either lockdowns or the opposite encourage further mutations?

From my reading this weekend, the spread of the virus has encouraged mutations more than suppression. The fallacy of having an 'acceptable' level of infection coming home to roost it seems. Apparently this also could start to impact on vaccine efficacy.

 

[LastGarrison]

Saw something that said if we continue to roll out the vaccine at its current pace, it will take 7 years to get everyone vaccinated (interesting - but caveat that vaccine only just becoming available)

I take it that means the whole world and not just the UK?

This is the single perfect time to lockdown. Have the balls to speak in layman’s terms and just say we’re locking everyone down (schools, borders, B and fucking Q) until at least the start of March to stop the spread and roll out the vaccine as quickly and safely as possible. Two months of shitness will potentially save 1000’s of lives and by March/April we can start loosening back up and trying to get back to normality.

I personally think with an end in sight due to the vaccines, unlike last year, most would actually buy in to it.

 

[Brylowes]

With the Amount of infection out there,or not as the case may be.
Does it afford to much opportunity for the mutations to take it beyond effective use of the current version?
IE :- either lockdowns or the opposite encourage further mutations?

This is my main worry.

 

[wingy]

From my reading this weekend, the spread of the virus has encouraged mutations more than suppression. The fallacy of having an 'acceptable' level of infection coming home to roost it seems. Apparently this also could start to impact on vaccine efficacy.

Yes as i expected really .. Although I'd wager there will be poeple with an opposite viewpoint out there .

Edit:- Thanks fp fairly sure this was emphasised at the outset by Dave King I think .

 

[Skybluefaz]

From my reading this weekend, the spread of the virus has encouraged mutations more than suppression. The fallacy of having an 'acceptable' level of infection coming home to roost it seems. Apparently this also could start to impact on vaccine efficacy.

Triffic

 

[shepardo01]

I take it that means the whole world and not just the UK?

This is the single perfect time to lockdown. Have the balls to speak in layman’s terms and just say we’re locking everyone down (schools, borders, B and fucking Q) until at least the start of March to stop the spread and roll out the vaccine as quickly and safely as possible. Two months of shitness will potentially save 1000’s of lives and by March/April we can start loosening back up and trying to get back to normality.

I personally think with an end in sight due to the vaccines, unlike last year, most would actually buy in to it.

Pretty sure it was UK LG,

Govts target of Easter (?) would have needed 24hr a day vaccinations to be taking place....

(I could be wrong here but it IS taking a lot longer to get these into people!)

 

[chiefdave]

Saw something that said if we continue to roll out the vaccine at its current pace, it will take 7 years to get everyone vaccinated (interesting - but caveat that vaccine only just becoming available)

If we can have effective treatment for those who aren't older or in the vulnerable category then it may become like the annual flu jab.

Stats seem to show we manage around 14m of those a year, reaching more than 70% of the over 65s but it seems not so great on the vulnerable under 65s at under 50%

Overall though would seem to suggest that even if an annual booster is needed for those groups its not hugely difficult to roll out.

Would really like more information from the government as to what is happening with vaccine rollouts. Still no sign of mass vaccination centres and the numbers being vaccinated are millions off where we were told we should be by now.

 

[shmmeee]

Why TF aren’t vaccination centres open 24/7? There is literally no amount of money we could spend on this that wouldn’t be worth it, what are we waiting for?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Why TF aren’t vaccination centres open 24/7? There is literally no amount of money we could spend on this that wouldn’t be worth it, what are we waiting for?

1. Staff
2. Consumables
3. Vaccines

 

[chiefdave]

Pretty sure it was UK LG,

Govts target of Easter (?) would have needed 24hr a day vaccinations to be taking place....

You can play around on this to see how long it would take. Pretty basic but then once they've programmed in the number of people in each group you're only really changing the rate of vaccination and uptake. If you put data in for someone in the lowest priority group it will be the same dates everyone should be vaccinated by.

Vaccine Queue Calculator for the UK

The vaccine queue calculator for the UK estimates where you are in the queue to get your COVID vaccine based on your age, health, and job.

www.omnicalculator.com

 

[shmmeee]

1. Staff
2. Consumables
3. Vaccines

First two you can throw money at, last one I thought the manufacturers were saying wasn’t an issue.

 

[fernandopartridge]

First two you can throw money at, last one I thought the manufacturers were saying wasn’t an issue.

Just because they've been produced doesn't mean they've been procured.

 

[shmmeee]

Just because they've been produced doesn't mean they've been procured.

So where’s the bottleneck exactly? I’m confused

 

[Nick]

So where’s the bottleneck exactly? I’m confused

This is what I was asking the other day.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes that seemed to be the general consensus ‘but do you still believe it ?

I am less confident than I was but remain hopeful the summer is realistic.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why TF aren’t vaccination centres open 24/7? There is literally no amount of money we could spend on this that wouldn’t be worth it, what are we waiting for?

Another reason to lockdown, try and focus any capacity going on vaccines, rather than desperately trying to keep hospitals functioning in some form.

 

[Brylowes]

I am less confident than I was but remain hopeful the summer is realistic.

I really hope you’re right, I just have a horrible sinking feeling that this virus is escelating further beyond our control everyday.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Another reason to lockdown, try and focus any capacity going on vaccines, rather than desperately trying to keep hospitals functioning in some form.

This needs a concerted effort with a sole focus on vaccination and not spreading efforts too thinly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I really hope you’re right, I just have a horrible sinking feeling that this virus is escelating further beyond our control everyday.

ISee above. We need a national balls to the wall effort on vaccination

 

[chiefdave]

So where’s the bottleneck exactly? I’m confused

It makes no sense, posted about this last night.

Even after Pfizer said there were supply issues meant that they would only be providing half the expected doses last year that still means we should have received 5 million. Cambridge Astra were said to be delivered over 30 million last year. So that's over 35 millions doses.

Lack of staff? I know two people who were trained weeks ago to administer the vaccine that haven't heard a thing since.

The mass vaccination centres are conspicuous by their absence. Should they not have been setup and ready to go even before we received the vaccine?

 

[Sbarcher]

Scotland on lockdown from midnight. We will be next.

 

[chiefdave]

Also if the shortage is staff and / or facilities why is this being kept secret? It should be everyone encouraging anyone who can help to do so.

 

[Nick]

Also if the shortage is staff and / or facilities why is this being kept secret? It should be everyone encouraging anyone who can help to do so.

Exactly, I put it about the Ricoh test centre last week.

Just something like that where you rock up and get injected and go. 24 hours a day.

 

[hill83]

Exactly, I put it about the Ricoh test centre last week.

Just something like that where you rock up and get injected and go. 24 hours a day.

You were saying it 3 hours after the vaccine was approved though Nick.

Now I’m on board.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Also if the shortage is staff and / or facilities why is this being kept secret? It should be everyone encouraging anyone who can help to do so.

The pharma companies want money for the orders, they have no incentive to screw up the supply. As for the government, who knows

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Scotland on lockdown from midnight. We will be next.

Definitely

 

[Nick]

You were saying it 3 hours after the vaccine was approved though Nick.

Now I’m on board.

China would have had a motorway leading to the test centre with toll booths to inject within that time.

 

[wingy]

The pharma companies want money for the orders, they have no incentive to screw up the supply. As for the government, who knows

Maybe recruit all type 1diabetes patients, I bet they give the most comfortable of jabs.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Johnson 8pm press conference. It will be a Monday u turn rather than a ~Sunday U turn

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Johnson 8pm press conference. It will be a Monday u turn rather than a ~Sunday U turn

Unbelievable