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Astute

Astute

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SBT said:
Complaining about why McDonald's drive-thru and Costa are still open isn't helping people be clear about the rules, which most people seem capable of understanding. It's a distraction and you're welcome to it.
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Complaining about it?

Try again. Asking the question on why we are told that we must stay at home unless we have no choice but to go out. But places are open for us to visit where it isn't essential to visit. Travelling to have a McDonald's or KFC isn't essential. It is want not need.

Yet you make out you can't see the contradiction in the rules people take advantage of.
 
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SBT

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robbiekeane said:
But I saw the government say you had to stay in your town? Boris wasn't in town?

To be fair, it's possible i've misinterpreted what the government are referring to when they keep saying stay at home and they keep saying people are breaking the rules. In my mind i've taken that as referring to all the people out and about on walks, and i've also linked it to some of the reports of people being fined for going for a walk 5 miles away from their house. Then you have boris going on a bike ride 7 miles away from his place. I know that has now been redacted but that kind of inconsistency surely can't help, and you can't say that's a small inconsistency either and the police were clearly confused as to what was okay and what's not.

If the reference to breaking the rules is more about people mixing indoors - then why aren't more people being pulled over? Random checks. Someone mentioned in france they have temporary road blocks at popular city boundaries or whatever. It's not practical to do it for everyone but it would certainly send a message and word gets round. I imagine most people drive to other peoples houses so that would catch and/or deter a lot of those people breaking rules.

Basically, my main gripe is that it's not enough to just go to the BBC saying "people can't just stick to the letter of the law they need to act in the spirit of the lockdown". Actually they can and most people will - either because they are selfish people who don't care (and i would say that's not the case for most), or because they trust the government are telling you what is okay to do explicitly in the rules. It's a cop out because when it goes to shit they can blame the public.
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The guidance is that you can exercise outdoors in your local area. A 7 mile bike ride seems fair enough to me, not that a 27 mile bike ride would be any more or less dangerous. Boris has had some pretty dire messaging on coronavirus, but this isn't one of them. Given how relatively safe it is to exercise outdoors, the idea that we should be shaming/fining people for it is bad enough. The idea that we're trying to turn two people in the park into a national controversy is even worse. No qualms with the rest of what you said.
 
Astute

Astute

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tisza said:
Curfew here since November certainly brought down new infections. Lifting the restriction for just the one night at Xmas saw an immediate bounce in new infections which has now fallen again with the curfew impacting and kids being off school. But the under 14s have gone back to school this week which could see numbers rise again
Sadly the mortality numbers still high here. UK equivalent of over 800 a day since beginning of November (peaking over 1500) compared to under a 100 at its worst in the first wave.
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It seems very hard for people in the UK to imagine what a curfew is like. Many still think it is their right to do what they like as long as they can make out it is within the rules set.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Deleted member 5849 said:
But it is restricting where I intended to go for walks!

Anyway, on today's round the housing estate, lots of people coming back after dropping children off at school. I get that a key worker won't necessarily start just after their child goes to school, but... I do know of a couple of people who are not key workers, but their partners are. Given Iknow their work has been highly flexible about the amount of work they do from home, and accepting about childcare taking precedence over work, it seems slightly odd to me that *their* children go in to school, and potentially spread the virus about a bit!
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It's not restricting anything you do as guidance is not enforceable. You can travel were every you want at the moment.
 
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SBT

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Astute said:
Complaining about it?

Try again. Asking the question on why we are told that we must stay at home unless we have no choice but to go out. But places are open for us to visit where it isn't essential to visit. Travelling to have a McDonald's or KFC isn't essential. It is want not need.

Yet you make out you can't see the contradiction in the rules people take advantage of.
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I'll let Chris Whitty say it, because he put it better than me:

"If we keep on looking for someone else's problem as to why this is not going to get better, then we are missing the point. We all have to say what is it in our own lives to do to minimise the impact on the NHS."
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He was justifying why football is still being played, as it happens. The point remains - if you don't want to go to KFC, then don't. But don't make out like that small issue is the big reason why the current system is a shambles. Chris Whitty doesn't seem to think coffee shops are the problem, for example. If you do, you're choosing to distract yourself.
 
Skybluefaz

Skybluefaz

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SBT said:
I'll let Chris Whitty say it, because he put it better than me:



He was justifying why football is still being played, as it happens. The point remains - if you don't want to go to KFC, then don't. But don't make out like that small issue is the big reason why the current system is a shambles. Chris Whitty doesn't seem to think coffee shops are the problem, for example. If you do, you're choosing to distract yourself.
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Why wouldn't you want to go to KFC?
 
Bugsy

Bugsy

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Skybluefaz said:
Why wouldn't you want to go to KFC?
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why would you want to go KFC. absoulte awful chicken rather go and and get me a half roast from the chippy
 
tisza

tisza

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Astute said:
It seems very hard for people in the UK to imagine what a curfew is like. Many still think it is their right to do what they like as long as they can make out it is within the rules set.
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Social pressure here combined with it being far more normal to have an elderly relative living in the family home. Plus police here rarely do warnings - on the spot fines or it's the courts for more flagrant violations. Plus people far more aware/considerate of the pressure it puts on a limited health service.
 
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SBT

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KFC used to be my hangover food of choice, for those moments when you've given up on ever having a functioning body again. Been ages though.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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but they closed to a big fanfare creating loads of super spreader events as people queued up to get their food.
 
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Skybluefaz said:
Bringing it back on track, mcdonald's and KFC etc were closed last March during the lockdown weren't they? Eradicating the choice for people to go out and collect from there.
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Were McDonald's ordered to close, or did they choose to?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Astute said:
Are you saying that their infection rate has ever been as high as ours is now?
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I’m saying your statement regarding Italy was inaccurate - I don’t know what our infection rate is
 
Astute

Astute

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Grendel said:
I’m saying your statement regarding Italy was inaccurate - I don’t know what our infection rate is
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So you know the rate is in Italy is yet not the rate in the UK....but still look to create an argument on the matter.
 
Astute

Astute

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SBT said:
I'll let Chris Whitty say it, because he put it better than me:



He was justifying why football is still being played, as it happens. The point remains - if you don't want to go to KFC, then don't. But don't make out like that small issue is the big reason why the current system is a shambles. Chris Whitty doesn't seem to think coffee shops are the problem, for example. If you do, you're choosing to distract yourself.
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How about getting back to what I actually said and not making things up.

How are we supposed to be able to go to KFC when we are only supposed to leave where we live for essential reasons. And a trip to KFC isn't essential like you say it is.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Astute said:
But isn't it a contradiction to say we can only leave our house for something essential but we can go out and get a takeaway?

Who said the rules are meaningless? The problem isn't the majority who stick to them. It is the minority who look for a way to break them.
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The problem is people haven't grasped that we're not pursuing a so called zero-covid strategy so the argument why can't I do x when you can do y doesn't work. They aren't being compared in that way, its keeping the overall level below what is deemed too much for the NHS, simple as that.

Completely agree about people not sticking to the rules. Was baffling to see MPs yesterday talking of bringing in stricter restrictions as people aren't keeping to the ones currently in place. What makes them think people who are currently ignoring them will suddenly change and do as they are told?
 
Saddlebrains

Saddlebrains

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Not much, but some good news for once.

The 7 day average of the number of cases by report date has fallen for the first time since the end of November.

Seems as a few on here thought, with it being almost 3 weeks since xmas, the cases themselves starting to fall.

Lets hope this carries on. Long way to go until that effects deaths, but hopefully hospitalisations at least start slowing soon
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Astute said:
So you know the rate is in Italy is yet not the rate in the UK....but still look to create an argument on the matter.
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No I don’t know either way but was just correcting you on the facts that more people died in December in Italy than the prior peak - I also asked what was meant by “the rate”
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Saddlebrains said:
Not much, but some good news for once.

The 7 day average of the number of cases by report date has fallen for the first time since the end of November.

Seems as a few on here thought, with it being almost 3 weeks since xmas, the cases themselves starting to fall.

Lets hope this carries on. Long way to go until that effects deaths, but hopefully hospitalisations at least start slowing soon
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Would love to hear regular vaccination statistics to keep the light at the end of the tunnel in sight.
 
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