Yeah, I thought we’d be front of the queue but didn’t know to what extent. For example would AZ need to produce all of our 100m doses before anyone else gets any ? pretty sure I’d also heard/read AZ will set your manufacturing hubs in Europe so maybe UK manufacturing is just for us. Without wanting to sound selfish, I hope so. But not heard what the aim is for the maximum production is here ie is 2m per week the capacity ?
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Yeah, I thought we’d be front of the queue but didn’t know to what extent. For example would AZ need to produce all of our 100m doses before anyone else gets any ? pretty sure I’d also heard/read AZ will set your manufacturing hubs in Europe so maybe UK manufacturing is just for us. Without wanting to sound selfish, I hope so. But not heard what the aim is for the maximum production is here ie is 2m per week the capacity ?
Sky Blue Pete
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4470 deaths in the last 24hrs in USA yesterday . Wow
fernandopartridge
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Given the population size per capita we've done a lot worse
Sky Blue Pete
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If you trust the figures on John Hopkins we are 1245 they are 1170 or so deaths per 100000 so just over 1 in 1000 deaths or 0.1% of the population
Grendel
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fernandopartridge
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Our numbers today are equivalent to 6k+ in the USA and we're not even at the peak of it
Sky Blue Pete
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Agreed
The Irish rules for Christmas seemed liberal even for pre-coronavirus times!
Ireland Christmas dinner rules: Number of people, safety measures and more
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Brighton Sky Blue
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This stands out to me:
'He also said Ireland, as well as Britain, have paid the price for being among the few places in the world without tight controls on airports and ports. Both have announced tougher restrictions in recent days, with air passengers being required to show a negative test taken up to 72 hours before departure.
Scally said, too, that Ireland hasn’t taken advantage of its island status the way places such as New Zealand and Taiwan have.'
Grendel
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I can’t be bothered to discuss island status but a comparison to Taiwan is ridiculous
fernandopartridge
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Ireland have had a quarantine order on people coming from the UK, seems obvious that people have gone home for Christmas, particularly from London and spread it around
Brighton Sky Blue
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Really how about Australia and NZ?
Grendel
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they are massively different to us
Brighton Sky Blue
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Fail to see how and besides the quote came from an article you’re trying to use to criticise the Irish approach
Grendel
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Population density
Requirements for airports to stay operational - we are a hub for cross global travel - I doubt we’d legally have even been allowed to take such actions and divert fkoghts
Far greater necessity for shipments through ports
I bet the Isle of Man is ok as well - it’s an island as is the Scilly Isles
Astute
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Just the kind of twaddle I would expect frome someone who says he doesn't understand what the term covid cases means.
So all countries can demand clear covid tests where the test was taken within the last 72 hours but it wouldn’t be legal for the UK to do so?
Yes we are an international hub. People travelling elsewhere are not the problem. Most of them already need a clear test and do not come away from the airports. Those travelling to the UK don't presently need a test so bring it into the UK.
Just one more occasion the Tories have got it badly wrong.
Brighton Sky Blue
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What confuses me a great deal is how catching and overcoming the actual virus confers seemingly less immunity than vaccines using attenuated mutant viruses or RNA vectors.
Skybluefaz
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Is this very unusual then? Does overcoming a virus naturally, if that's the right word, usually provide the best length of immunity to a virus?
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I guess we don't know how long immunity because of the vaccines will last, yet?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Pretty much yeah, unless the virus mutates sufficiently. Hence you catch chicken pox just once but can get the cold every year.
Brighton Sky Blue
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No, but the latest estimates seem to be about 5 months after recovering from COVID. Doesn’t seem long at all but tells me those booster jabs for the vaccines are essential
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The report says at least five months, and that's the current length of the study. It might go up a lot for most people
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hope so
We'll_live_and_die
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I read something this morning that said recovering from the virus would give better protection to re-infection than the vaccine.
The study I read about watched something like 6500 people with only 44 catching it again. I think it said they were medical staff, so likely to become re-infected if it was possible.
*EDIT* It was on the DM but is a PHE study.
Previous coronavirus infection reduces reinfection risk by 83%
Data from Public Health England (PHE) comes from more than 20,000 healthcare workers at more than 100 sites across Britain to see how likely reinfection was.
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skybluetony176
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Taiwan population density is over twice that of the U.K.. What requirement of airports? Who says anyone using it as a hub has to leave the airport complex? I’ve been to Dubai 4 times and am yet to leave the airport complex.
LastGarrison
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Thoroughly nice airport so I can understand.
The last time I was there I saw Michelle Keegan who was on her hen do with all her mates.
The embarrassing was I hadn't even clocked them and it took my Missus to point them out.Completely unrelated to the topic but hey ho.
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s goodI read something this morning that said recovering from the virus would give better protection to re-infection than the vaccine.
The study I read about watched something like 6500 people with only 44 catching it again. I think it said they were medical staff, so likely to become re-infected if it was possible.
*EDIT* It was on the DM but is a PHE study.
Previous coronavirus infection reduces reinfection risk by 83%
Data from Public Health England (PHE) comes from more than 20,000 healthcare workers at more than 100 sites across Britain to see how likely reinfection was.www.dailymail.co.uk
chiefdave
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Was curious so did a quick google for data on population density and how it relates to covid rates. Found this which would suggest the link isn't as great as you would think.
ourworldindata.org
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths
This page provides data on the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19.
ourworldindata.org
fernandopartridge
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I read something this morning that said recovering from the virus would give better protection to re-infection than the vaccine.
The study I read about watched something like 6500 people with only 44 catching it again. I think it said they were medical staff, so likely to become re-infected if it was possible.
*EDIT* It was on the DM but is a PHE study.
Previous coronavirus infection reduces reinfection risk by 83%
Data from Public Health England (PHE) comes from more than 20,000 healthcare workers at more than 100 sites across Britain to see how likely reinfection was.
That's positive - was everybody subject to the same control though, i.e. exposed to a similar level risk of reinfection?
fernandopartridge
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Was curious so did a quick google for data on population density and how it relates to covid rates. Found this which would suggest the link isn't as great as you would think.
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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths
This page provides data on the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19.
The problem with population density on a country wide level is that it ignores the spread of people within that country, e.g. Canada is low population density but in any case, most of its population actually live in big city urban areas.
We'll_live_and_die
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No but they were all healthcare workers I think, so highly likely to be exposed to it again.
Grendel
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the study says 5 months immunity for most and if it was a vaccine it would be 83% effective
Grendel
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Well yes I thought that would be obvious
Brazil and actually the US are some of the least densely populated countries in the world but in reality they really are not
Good news that 20m doses of the vaccine are in UK, a lot still needs to be batch tested and put in vials but good to know that the key component is available !
Keep your chins up all...the numbers won’t be pretty in the coming days but there is light at the end of the tunnel
Keep your chins up all...the numbers won’t be pretty in the coming days but there is light at the end of the tunnel
jordan210
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A small glimmer of light is always nice. Hopefully we have a way to speed up batch testing and packaging.
The figures will in theory go up for deaths as the positives start to tail off. But remember the death figure the news uses does still include back dating.