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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
I think the main difference between pre and post vaccine strategy has been that there’s no Tory backbencher against rapid vaccination. No matter where you stand, whether it’s humanitarian or economic or freedom concerns, mass vaccinations as quickly as possible are the answer.

Also the fact that supplies will have been procured through large existing companies means no chance for the usual cronyism.

The lockdown strategy has been beset by Johnson’s weakness and inability to accept people not liking him and he’s ended up dithering and waiting to the last minute and fudging trying to keep all the lobbyists happy.
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He’s like some of the worst teachers I’ve worked with
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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chiefdave said:
That would be how any other business would work. You go through the orders as recieved. If we ordered first we get delivery first.

Didn't we gamble and place orders way before we knew if it worked and promised to pay even if it didn't?

Of course if I was in the EU and being told there's no jabs to be had as we're on a waiting list I'm sure I'd be demanding something be done, especially if while being told there was none available they were being exported to other countries.

Certainly questions to be asked about how many orders were accepted and more importantly what promises were made about delivery times and how realistic those promises were.
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I agree getting orders fulfilled in the order they're placed. I think the EU are using the fact they paid up front as leverage (I'm assuming from this that we didn't btw) and this muddies the water a bit (tho in my opinion they are still mainly in the wrong here).

Say if someone ordered before you on credit and you paid up front a bit later you would feel a bit aggrieved that you'd already paid, they hadn't, yet they were getting orders fulfilled. IMO if that's how the contracts are made out the company has the obligation to fulfil them in the order received unless the up front payment contract specifically says they get to 'jump the queue'.

The issue for me is that it requires two doses and if we've started the rollout based on that and if we don't get the order in a timely fashion it will badly effect the timetable that should take precedent. Of course I feel in our rollout we should take these potential production problems into account and set aside each shipment accordingly (i.e. if we got 30m doses delivered we treat that as 15m to ensure those that got their first jab will get their second to make it as effective as possible).

I'm sure if it were the other way round we'd be complaining we hadn't received any of our order despite paying up front.
 
hill83

hill83

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David O'Day said:
Ah the called out for flouncing off so pretend not to flounce move.

Classic since primary school
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I remember we clashed early on when you were convinced the virus wasn't going to be anything bad and last season wasn't going to be abandoned and you'd "dealt with" everyone, so I'll leave it thanks. You were the dribblingly positive corona guy at the time.
 
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hill83

hill83

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David O'Day

David O'Day

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hill83 said:
I remember we clashed early on when you were convinced the virus wasn't going to be anything bad and last season wasn't going to be abandoned and you'd "dealt with" everyone, so I'll leave it thanks. You were the dribblingly positive corona guy at the time.
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I've already admitted I called that wrong ;)
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree getting orders fulfilled in the order they're placed. I think the EU are using the fact they paid up front as leverage (I'm assuming from this that we didn't btw) and this muddies the water a bit (tho in my opinion they are still mainly in the wrong here).
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Looking at some old press releases it seems 700 million doses had already been ordered, including by the UK, by the time the EU got around to ordering.

As for paying up front that may be a case of semantics as the UK government put a considerable amount into the development of the vaccine and improvements in manufacturing capacity. Part of that funding was an agreement that a proportion of those doses manufacturers would go to developing countries that couldn't afford to buy the vaccine.

Not sure how far the EU can really push this. At the end of the day demand far outstrips supply so you'd think the manufacturer holds all the cards.
 
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