The EU's argument is they paid in full up front and thus partly funded the research of the vaccine.
Sadly this isn't going to go away and AZ will need to sort something out as the EU isn't going to sit back and accept only 605 ofg the vaccines it needs.
Said many-a-time, got no real issue with how we managed it early on. It's the making the same mistakes further down the line, once we had more information, where I lose synpathy.Read what I’ve said, I’m with you on some of those things being investigated. Things change though. Regarding closing borders do watch the documentary and read the SAGE minutes. It was advised against (as was stopping large outdoor gatherings)...they felt it was basically too late. The decision, especially out of context, is obviously horrifically wrong as whilst it wouldn’t have stopped the virus, it would have given us/NHS more time to prepare by slowing spread. However, this was also when Vallance and others felt herd immunity (gradual, not let it rip) might be best solution/course of action - Again if people retained immunity after catching it, it may well have been a viable option (alongside other strands such as protect/shield elderly/higher risk etc). Unfortunately time and science has proved otherwise
Getting closer to the Covid-sip at Boots!Potential bit of good news
COVID-19: Breakthrough treatment claims to stop 100% of symptomatic infections
Makers say early tests of the experimental drug indicate it may "break the chain" of rising coronavirus infections.news.sky.com
That's the one Trump said was a cure a couple of months ago.
Edit: Just seen it's in the article
Oxford University's Randomised Evaluation of COVid-19 thERapY (RECOVERY) study
Science is brilliantPotential bit of good news
COVID-19: Breakthrough treatment claims to stop 100% of symptomatic infections
Makers say early tests of the experimental drug indicate it may "break the chain" of rising coronavirus infections.news.sky.com
The EU's argument is they paid in full up front and thus partly funded the research of the vaccine.
Sadly this isn't going to go away and AZ will need to sort something out as the EU isn't going to sit back and accept only 605 ofg the vaccines it needs.
That would be how any other business would work. You go through the orders as recieved. If we ordered first we get delivery first.We got in there first so the contract should be honoured. End of story as far as I'm concerned.
The EU haven’t even approved it for use yet and as it’s an unlicensed product there at the moment it cannot be imported from elsewhere anyway. There are legitimate biological reasons holding up production of viral vectors in the EU sites. Also seen they are struggling with fulfilling Australia’s orders but it will likely be a genuine primary manufacturing issue.
The UK sites are working and it has emergency approval here hence they can meet the UK demand easily
That's the argument but as I said the EU isn't accepting that.
I'm not saying it's right but as AZ have pulled out of a meeting with the EU scheduled for Wednesday the EU will take some form of action.
The EU’s scientific advisers should know better assuming they have worked in primary manufacture before. It isn’t some cynical ploy by AZ to lose business. It is also still within the remit of any EU state to give them emergency approval before an EU license is granted.
AZ shouldn't just flounce away from planned meetings with people who have ponied up 300 million in advance.
The EU is legally allowed to block exports of things.
A member state could emergency approve it tomorrow if they wanted.
And would that give them the vaccines they need? So you can see why the EU is trying to look after the EU.
You can see why a company is prioritising a market where they already have approval and working production sites over one where it is unclear that it goes beyond a ‘best effort’ agreement. AZ cannot magic wand fix the EU production sites and making threats to the company isn’t going to accelerate the process.
They could try and bully Pfizer into not exporting to the UK, and we could then do the same with our AZ exports. Best to just get the production issues fixed and not start indulging in daft disputes
But we lose out more in that as the UK AZ is for the AZ market so we would lose out on Pfizer vaccines.
Even you can see that it is surely better to come to some sort of agreement rather flouncing off like AZ have done.
Even me, unlike you, has worked in primary pharmaceutical manufacture in the past. They aren’t holding back supplies they already have, there’s a problem affecting production. There is no incentive for them not to meet the supply.
That is not the argument that the EU is saying.
The EU is saying why when you can supply other markets can you not fulfil our order we paid in cash up front for.
As i said flouncing away like AZ have done today isn't going to help anyone
Im sure I read somewhere about an interview with the boss of AZ who said they could pull out of the Eu deal.
It's all going to get a bit messy and isn't helped by the German gutter press. But EU member states will not be happy with the way this is being played out.
Get the popcorn out lads. Gonna be a blockbuster coming up.
The EU's argument is they paid in full up front and thus partly funded the research of the vaccine.
Sadly this isn't going to go away and AZ will need to sort something out as the EU isn't going to sit back and accept only 605 ofg the vaccines it needs.
That is not the argument that the EU is saying.
The EU is saying why when you can supply other markets can you not fulfil our order we paid in cash up front for.
As i said flouncing away like AZ have done today isn't going to help anyone
The EU isn’t the only market they are having trouble supplying.
I get the feeling that the UK isn't immune from their supply issues either.
The AZ boss argues that there was no signed obligation to fulfil all of the orders, just a ‘best effort’ agreeement. The EU argues the opposite in which case they could easily publish the proof.
The EU's contractual dispute with them does not mean that AZ shouldn't honour its contract with the UK. Two wrongs don't make a
right.
Threatening to use the law to ban exports to third countries is Trumpian, let's be honest.
Best effort? They paid 300 million up front which is a pretty valid contract of sale.
If the shoe was on the other foot then the clamour to ban exports would be deafening which I just find a tad hypocritical.
Best effort? They paid 300 million up front which is a pretty valid contract of sale.
I think the main difference between pre and post vaccine strategy has been that there’s no Tory backbencher against rapid vaccination. No matter where you stand, whether it’s humanitarian or economic or freedom concerns, mass vaccinations as quickly as possible are the answer.
Also the fact that supplies will have been procured through large existing companies means no chance for the usual cronyism.
The lockdown strategy has been beset by Johnson’s weakness and inability to accept people not liking him and he’s ended up dithering and waiting to the last minute and fudging trying to keep all the lobbyists happy.
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