Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (24 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

The internal full out between member states and EU is going to be massive.

They will all play happy families in the media. But the knifes will be out for UVDL.


But in other news as so much happens yesterday. Novavax looks a really exciting and game changing vaccine.

Why the 2 main players support controls. Italy as well.

 

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[David O'Day]

The J+J/Janssen one does Vaccine is the long term game changer is as expected we have to keep dealing with Covid-19 each winter.


A high efficiency singe dose vaccine could make vaccinating the vulnerable much easier each winter.

 

[Grendel]

one major blunder after another from the EU on this issue.
At least they've backed down on their NI protocol threat.

Someone from the WhO summed it up well:

“it’s like they are arguing over who has the cake when they haven’t even got any crumbs”

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

'We had to go it alone': how the UK got ahead in the Covid vaccine race

Early partnership between Oxford and AstraZeneca, plus upfront funding, proved vital headstart

amp.theguardian.com

Can someone check on The Guardian?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Where did I say I liked it? I made a glib joke about it.

Why lie about things that are easy to check?

Glib joke
Throwaway comment

Always the same, just own it

 

[David O'Day]

Glib joke
Throwaway comment

Always the same, just own it

What are you taking about? Get help.

 

[clint van damme]

Except Swayne.

That's why I put on this issue. I know that cretin was bobbing off about the nhs

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What are you taking about? Get help.

I don’t need help, you have been trying to do ‘weird flexes’ as you call them on other posts on here for a while as a new MO in place of the c-bombs you were dropping all over the shop. You made a joke about a suspected bomb package going to a vaccine factory, which hadn’t actually been dealt with when it was made.

Even if it didn’t go off it still put another delay into manufacturing

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The EU in the last few days has done more for the PR of Brexit than Johnson, Gove, Mogg and Farage have managed in total.

 

[David O'Day]

I don’t need help, you have been trying to do ‘weird flexes’ as you call them on other posts on here for a while as a new MO in place of the c-bombs you were dropping all over the shop. You made a joke about a suspected bomb package going to a vaccine factory, which hadn’t actually been dealt with when it was made.

Even if it didn’t go off it still put another delay into manufacturing

did i say i liked it? no

thanks for proving my point

 

[baldy]

R rate's below 1 now officially so come on Boris...out of lockdown now - no need for it

 

[xcraigx]

Every leader has done better. We have the highest death rate in the world. Killed more in the second wave than we did the first because “we” learned the sum total of fuck all from the first wave.

Boris’ best is the worst in the world. It really is that simple.

Do we really have the highest date rate in the world?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yeah, ultimately if we're all vaccinated, but other countries carry on, developing all manner of variants, it doesn't help us long term.

So we need to be the bigger (wo)men, and take the PR win, which is in our interest anyway.

I don’t doubt we will do our bit. The question will be when and how

When - it might sound selfish but we’ve got to get our population safe(r) first.

How - this is the tricky bit, who do we release any spares to ? Our nearest neighbours or developing countries that can’t afford their own supply ? What do we release ? what happens if we release spare of a certain vaccine that then proves to be more effective against a new/different variants in future (and leave ourselves short) ? Some tricky considerations but sure we will do our bit (as we have done with vaccine development, genomic sequencing and global vaccine sharing scheme/fund)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

When - it might sound selfish but we’ve got to get our population safe(r) first.

And making sure we hedge ourselves against potentially vaccine-busting mutations is the best way to do that. Imagine if we vaccinated everybody and it turned out to be useless against new variants, while those later to the party had a nice adapted vaccine ready to go?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t doubt we will do our bit. The question will be when and how

When - it might sound selfish but we’ve got to get our population safe(r) first.

How - this is the tricky bit, who do we release any spares to ? Our nearest neighbours or developing countries that can’t afford their own supply ? What do we release ? what happens if we release spare of a certain vaccine that then proves to be more effective against a new/different variants in future (and leave ourselves short) ? Some tricky considerations but sure we will do our bit (as we have done with vaccine development, genomic sequencing and global vaccine sharing scheme/fund)

Since we share a border with them, the ROI would be a sensible place to send a surplus first. But we haven’t even given the top 4 groups one dose yet, never mind two-we are a long way from being able to donate extra.

 

[PVA]

Many millions in our country disagree

And? There are millions of idiots in this country.

Nobody can say that this Prime Minister and this government have done a good job of this pandemic. Because they haven't.

100,000 people are dead ffs.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And? There are millions of idiots in this country.

Nobody can say that this Prime Minister and this government have done a good job of this pandemic. Because they haven't.

100,000 people are dead ffs.

I think you’ll find Pete shares that exasperation

 

[CCFCSteve]

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And making sure we hedge ourselves against potentially vaccine-busting mutations is the best way to do that. Imagine if we vaccinated everybody and it turned out to be useless against new variants, while those later to the party had a nice adapted vaccine ready to go?

100% agree. Medium term this has got to be an international effort. That’s why I mentioned the global vaccine distributions fund (Covax) - we contributed £500m, one of the most, if not the most of any country (well it was at the time)

Countries pledge nearly US$ 1 billion to support equitable access to COVID-19 vaccines

The United Kingdom, Canada, Germany, Italy and Sweden pledge approximately US$ 960 million to Gavi’s COVID-19 Vaccines Advance Market Commitment (COVAX AMC)

www.gavi.org

I think EU have increased theirs to 500m since the article

Plenty of mistakes in this country in terms of containing the outbreak but I hope it’s recognised how outward looking we have been throughout the outbreak with the assistance mentioned in my previous post. Something we should be proud about

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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100% agree. Medium term this has got to be an international effort. That’s why I mentioned the global vaccine distributions fund (Covax) - we contributed £500m, one of the most, if not the most of any country (well it was at the time)

Countries pledge nearly US$ 1 billion to support equitable access to COVID-19 vaccines

The United Kingdom, Canada, Germany, Italy and Sweden pledge approximately US$ 960 million to Gavi’s COVID-19 Vaccines Advance Market Commitment (COVAX AMC)

www.gavi.org

I think EU have increased theirs to 500m since the article

Plenty of mistakes in this country in terms of containing the outbreak but I hope it’s recognised how outward looking we have been throughout the outbreak with the assistance mentioned in my previous post. Something we should be proud about

I agree, though I think the handling on school returns is another bungling on the horizon. One jab to the 4 groups is not enough to justify that.

 

[baldy]

And? There are millions of idiots in this country.

Nobody can say that this Prime Minister and this government have done a good job of this pandemic. Because they haven't.

100,000 people are dead ffs.

If you trust the figures that is

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you trust the figures that is

If anything, the figures are an underestimation

 

[Skybluefaz]

R rate's below 1 now officially so come on Boris...out of lockdown now - no need for it

If Baldy says so, it must be true.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I agree, though I think the handling on school returns is another bungling on the horizon. One jab to the 4 groups is not enough to justify that.

No panic mate, Williamson’s all over it

Seriously though, they have said 8 March earliest and I’d imagine that will be driven by rates (as well as vacs). Could possibly differ by region and also even possibly what variant is prominent (and whether it’s more transmissible in kids)

Plenty of twists and turns over next five weeks I’d imagine. Fingers crossed it’s heading in the right direction at least

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If Baldy says so, it must be true.

You don’t stop taking antibiotics as soon as you start feeling better...you finish the treatment to properly kill off the infection. Same in this case

 

[PVA]

If you trust the figures that is

Yes, I do trust the figures. Why wouldn't I?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No panic mate, Williamson’s all over it

Seriously though, they have said 8 March earliest and I’d imagine that will be driven by rates (as well as vacs). Could possibly differ by region and also even possibly what variant is prominent (and whether it’s more transmissible in kids)

Plenty of twists and turns over next five weeks I’d imagine. Finger crossed it’s heading in the right direction

The parents of most of these children won’t have had one jab by then. Plus they are now strongly hinting that teachers will need to mark the externally set papers, without pay and always done previously by the exam boards who hire markers for the task every year.

It’s hard not to think that the government is actively hostile towards the profession

 

[Skybluefaz]

You don’t stop taking antibiotics as soon as you start feeling better...you finish the treatment to properly kill off the infection. Same in this case

That's if you believe you are infected. Sheep.

 

[baldy]

Yes, I do trust the figures. Why wouldn't I?

When you have people falling off roofs & cracking their skull open & cause of death being corona then that's kind of a bit odd me thinks

 

[baldy]

If Baldy says so, it must be true.

ONS website...all in black & white

 

[PVA]

When you have people falling off roofs & cracking their skull open & cause of death being corona then that's kind of a bit odd me thinks

Got any proof of that?

And what about people that die from Covid after 28 days?

If anything the numbers are under reported.

Also how do you explain the excess deaths?

 

[baldy]

If anything, the figures are an underestimation

Not really...covid's put down as cause of death for most things...funny how there's no winter flu anymore either

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Got any proof of that?

And what about people that die from Covid after 28 days?

If anything the numbers are under reported.

Also how do you explain the excess deaths?

100,000 people fell off the roof while listening to Clive and doing the scaffolding

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not really...covid's put down as cause of death for most things...funny how there's no winter flu anymore either

Unfortunately we have excess death data-what do you put down the big increase in deaths in 2020 towards?

 

[Skybluefaz]

ONS website...all in black & white

We doing this dance again? Go on then find me a link to where it says the R number being below one means we can end lockdown now.

 

[baldy]

We doing this dance again? Go on then find me a link to where it says the R number being below one means we can end lockdown now.

It's actually-28