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Brylowes

Brylowes

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covmark said:
It won't be long till we find out if they're correct or not.

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With 10 million people (inc myself ) already jabbed up ‘let’s Hope they’ve got this spot on :rolleyes:
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Rich said:
It's obviously just a way to save face, given they've ballsed up by not ordering enough, soon enough. Looks like we may have become independent at just the right time.
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I don't agree this proves Brexit was correct. There are plenty of negatives at the minute, Just ask the fishing industry.

However, I agree they've messed up. What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
 
We'll_live_and_die

We'll_live_and_die

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clint van damme said:
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I don't agree this proves Brexit was correct. There are plenty of negatives at the minute, Just ask the fishing industry.

However, I agree they've messed up. What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
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Agreed it doesn't prove Brexit correct, but it is one example of our ability to make decisions in our own best interests. Hopefully as we move forward with independence, we shall see more examples that benefit our nation.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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clint van damme said:
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I don't agree this proves Brexit was correct. There are plenty of negatives at the minute, Just ask the fishing industry.

However, I agree they've messed up. What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
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That 2 issues, the 8% was someone misunderstanding the numbers in a trial and leaking it to a newspaper.

What the Koch institute are saying is they don't think the study included enough over 65s for them to be happy to approve the results.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Rich said:
Agreed it doesn't prove Brexit correct, but it is one example of our ability to make decisions in our own best interests. Hopefully as we move forward with independence, we shall see more examples that benefit our nation.
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We could have gone down the route we have if we were still in the EU, as Hungary, who are still a member, have proven.
My issue is with their bully boy tactics since it became clear they've messed up regarding supply.
 
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clint van damme said:
What I don't understand is the Germans saying the data is flawed but they were quite happy to pluck the 8 percent effacacy figure out the air based on nothing.
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A newspaper misinterpreted that. The German government are just saying there's not enough data... yet. That also seems the approach of France. Whenever the data is there to prove it's fine for over 65s, they'll use it.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Deleted member 5849 said:
A newspaper misinterpreted that. The German government are just saying there's not enough data... yet. That also seems the approach of France. Whenever the data is there to prove it's fine for over 65s, they'll use it.
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Leaked to a broadsheet and a tabloid. It's a tactic we've seen here many times.
I'm not buying into it being an innocent mix up because it happened in Germany.
I get the point of view of the Koch institute but there was a paper in the Lancet offering a counter point of view.

Both opinions garnered by people far smarter than me but I'm going with the Lancet because it's the more optimistic!!
 
ajsccfc

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Rich said:
It's obviously just a way to save face, given they've ballsed up by not ordering enough, soon enough. Looks like we may have become independent at just the right time.
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The US hasn't approved it yet either, and they've been among the most aggressive in terms of approving vaccines. Even if the EU hasn't covered itself in glory here, I think it's more likely that they share similar concerns about AZ's methodology, rather than some kind of conspiracy to get out of a contract they should be desperate to see honoured.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
The EU have a long history of employing bully boy tactics....they're just usually employed to trample over democratic decisions taken by sovereign states.....its just in this case, its to cover their own incompetent arses.
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Do you think there’s a similarly sized trading block that doesn’t employ these tactics? China? USA?

If not, how exactly does leaving help? We are neither protected from the antics nor able to influence them.
 
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wingy

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With all this positive news and data coming out,,does anyone want to have a stab at predicting what the residual effect will be.
Where we will be in a year or two ,and just what is likely to happen in the portion of society that does not become covered either through the percentage efficacy or non take up?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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wingy said:
With all this positive news and data coming out,,does anyone want to have a stab at predicting what the residual effect will be.
Where we will be in a year or two ,and just what is likely to happen in the portion of society that does not become covered either through the percentage efficacy or non take up?
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Board Up their doors, paint a big red X on the front, crack on with life.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Liquid Gold said:
What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
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What is she worried about happening?
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Liquid Gold said:
What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
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The development speed of a normal vaccine is down to £ more than anything else. The widespread impact of covid has meant that governments have underwritten massive investments straight off the bat, that's meant significantly more resource for the entire end to end process which means it is a lot quicker to bring something to market.

The vaccines have been through the same trial processes as any other vaccine and have been approved by regulatory bodies.
 
hill83

hill83

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Liquid Gold said:
What does one do about a vaccine sceptic in the family though. My sister works in care homes and hasn't signed up to get it yet. My mother was the same but she went and had it done after something in the news spooked her.

She's not normally an anti vax nutter, all her kids are vaccinated and everything. She's just worried about the speed it's been developed in.

I've been on at her about her putting the residents at risk, that it's been approved, linking to studies about it working and she's still not making her mind up. I don't want to put too much pressure on her and put her off the whole thing just to piss me off but I want her to get fucking jabbed.

Any advice?
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I’ve posted this before but worth posting again.

www.google.co.uk

Oxford vaccine: How did they make it so quickly? - BBC News

Good fortune and scientific brilliance were behind the Covid-19 vaccine being developed so quickly.
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk

The biggest misconception is the work on the vaccine started when the pandemic began.
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And they had already developed a ChAdOx1 vaccine for Mers , which could train the immune system to spot the spike. The Oxford team were not starting from scratch.

"If this had been a completely unknown virus, then we'd have been in a very different position," Prof Pollard added.
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I’d argue that’s more reassuring than the funding side of it.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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fernandopartridge said:
The development speed of a normal vaccine is down to £ more than anything else. The widespread impact of covid has meant that governments have underwritten massive investments straight off the bat, that's meant significantly more resource for the entire end to end process which means it is a lot quicker to bring something to market.

The vaccines have been through the same trial processes as any other vaccine and have been approved by regulatory bodies.
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I know this. I don't think there has been anything posted about vaccines on here that I haven't sent over

Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is she worried about happening?
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She once laughed and said she's not getting it because she doesn't want to grow two heads but generally seems to just be uncomfortable at the idea of unknown negative side effects.
 
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