Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (193 Viewers)

Bugsy · Feb 9, 2021

didn't know where to link this but they are all a bunch of fucking corrupt cunts (mind my language)

Government denies setting up unit to profile journalists and block Freedom of Information requests

It follows allegations of an "Orwellian" unit at the Cabinet Office that blocks damaging Freedom of Information requests.

news.sky.com

feel free to move to the relative thread if needs be.

fernandopartridge · Feb 9, 2021

More gaslighting, it's all due to the variants / people bringing it in for other countries...

Hancock says people subject to hotel quarantine will have to pay £1,750
Hancock says the strategy to tackle new variants has four parts.
First, the government wants to get overall case numbers down.
Second, surge testing is being used to tackle new outbreaks.
Third, vaccines are being rolled out.
And, fourth, border controls are being tightened.
Hancock says he will focus on the border controls.
It is already illegal to travel abroad without a reason, he says.
People arriving already need a negative test before they start their journey. And arrivals have been banned for people coming from “red list” countries where the risk is particularly high.
But the government is going further from Monday 15 February, he says. He says these rules are for England, but he says the devolved administrations are bringing in their own plans.
There are three features to the new system: hotel quarantine, testing and enforcement.
People who need hotel quarantine will need to pay £1,750 per individual for the hotel, transport and testing.
He says arrivals will be taken to a designated hotel. The government has contracted with 16 hotels, for 4,600 rooms initially.
They will have to stay in their rooms and will not be allowed to mix with other guests. They will have to quarantine for 10 days, or longer if they test positive.
And there will be “visible security” in place to ensure people comply, he says.

David O'Day · Feb 9, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
More gaslighting, it's all due to the variants / people bringing it in for other countries...

4600 rooms? is that enough?

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 9, 2021

Easy-read blog post about the first evaluation of the #NHSCOVID19app, with link to the full report https://coronavirus-fraser-group.org/blog

In short: comparing variation in uptake across geographical areas allows researchers to separate the effect of the app from everything else.

Conclusion: it's brilliant! (With stated levels of confidence on exactly how brilliant - it's tricky to pin down because the app does such a good job on privacy and anonymity.)

Take-home: Install it, keep it updated, and take notifications seriously because they genuinely do help to break chains of transmission. Thank you to everyone who is already doing this - you have saved lives.

Currently a publicly available pre-print, submitted for formal peer-review; informally reviewed by a number of independent scientists over the last few weeks.

More technical details including ongoing and future research and development: Demonstrating the impact of the NHS COVID-19 app

shmmeee · Feb 9, 2021

Got to be honest. I’d forgotten all about the app. If I’ve got it it’ll only be because it auto installed when I upgraded my phone. Should probably check on that.

fernandopartridge · Feb 9, 2021

David O'Day said:
4600 rooms? is that enough?

Probably as i think the policy will put off a lot of travellers

shmmeee · Feb 9, 2021

Just checked. App was installed but not set up and enabled. Worth checking if anyone else upgraded their phone over lockdown.

clint van damme · Feb 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 9, 2021

Oh, this is maybe worth knowing, too.

Covid: WHO says 'extremely unlikely' virus leaked from lab in China

A team of international and Chinese experts say more work is needed to find the source of the virus.

www.bbc.co.uk

wingy · Feb 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Oh, this is maybe worth knowing, too.

Covid: WHO says 'extremely unlikely' virus leaked from lab in China

A team of international and Chinese experts say more work is needed to find the source of the virus.

www.bbc.co.uk

Would still like to know if there was a stage or mutations that led to it becoming lethal or more transmissible at that point from something similar or otherwise?

Ian1779 · Feb 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
Just checked. App was installed but not set up and enabled. Worth checking if anyone else upgraded their phone over lockdown.

The only thing it actually does is rinse my battery...

David O'Day · Feb 9, 2021

Saddlebrains · Feb 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Oh, this is maybe worth knowing, too.

Covid: WHO says 'extremely unlikely' virus leaked from lab in China

A team of international and Chinese experts say more work is needed to find the source of the virus.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think we can take whatever that bunch of fucking clowns say with a pinch of salt. In the Chinese Governments pocket

It’sabatch87 · Feb 9, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
I think we can take whatever that bunch of fucking clowns say with a pinch of salt. In the Chinese Governments pocket

Totally agree,Waste of space.
Piss up and brewery come to mind,Probably been bunged a few quid like fifa to keep things quiet!!

Ian1779 · Feb 9, 2021

David O'Day said:

Absolute piffle... it’s just word salad.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 9, 2021

Saddlebrains said:
I think we can take whatever that bunch of fucking clowns say with a pinch of salt. In the Chinese Governments pocket

You been watching Trump speech re-runs again?

shmmeee · Feb 9, 2021

Genuine question: has there been any proof of dodgy stuff at the WTO or is this all nudge nudge wink wink?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
Genuine question: has there been any proof of dodgy stuff at the WTO or is this all nudge nudge wink wink?

Dunno. Dunno much about the WHO either.

What I do know is.

Pandemics aren't an uncommon thing.

Jumping from animal to human isn't uncommon.

Therefore, the most likely conclusion is that this is a natural phenomena, exacerbated by modern shrinking of the world.

clint van damme · Feb 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
Genuine question: has there been any proof of dodgy stuff at the WTO or is this all nudge nudge wink wink?

Trump actually raised some salient points but it was mixed in with his usual helping of bullshit.

I've seen nothing to suggest there is any collusion between the Chinese authorities and the WHO bit I do think there was an initial cover up by the Chinese and a much higher death toll in Wuhan than reported.

I do think the WHO have allowed themselves to be led down the garden path.

I'm basing that on stuff I read by 'citizen journalists' and bloggers who contradicted the WHOs early assertion in a report that they released early last year that said the Chinese had done everything by the book.

Maybe it was actually 5he bloggers set up to spread false information, who knows in the world we live in.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 9, 2021

clint van damme said:
Trump actually raised some salient points but it was mixed in with his usual helping of bullshit.

I've seen nothing to suggest there is any collusion between the Chinese authorities and the WHO bit I do think there was an initial cover up by the Chinese and a much higher death toll in Wuhan than reported.

I do think the WHO have allowed themselves to be led down the garden path.

I'm basing that on stuff I read by 'citizen journalists' and bloggers who contradicted the WHOs early assertion in a report that they released early last year that said the Chinese had done everything by the book.

Maybe it was actually 5he bloggers set up to spread false information, who knows in the world we live in.

The 54 days programme was very balanced. China could have helped a lot more

CCFCSteve · Feb 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
Dunno. Dunno much about the WHO either.

What I do know is.

Pandemics aren't an uncommon thing.

Jumping from animal to human isn't uncommon.

Therefore, the most likely conclusion is that this is a natural phenomena, exacerbated by modern shrinking of the world.

I agree thats still the most likely cause, however, the fact that China blocked the investigation for a year, limited areas of investigation and even on arrival made it difficult/delayed WHO reps, doesn’t really support a ‘we’ve got nothing to hide’ narrative. I doubt we’ll never 100% find out the whole truth

The suppression/intentional delay in acknowledging human to human transmission until after millions had left Wuhan and travelled around country and world ready for Chinese New Year and (apparently) after conclusion of phase one of trade deal with US, means they should have a lot to answer for either way

Sbarcher · Feb 9, 2021

WHO - Did the virus come from here?
Wuhan Lab- No
WHO - Oh ok, we'll go home now

PVA · Feb 9, 2021

It’sabatch87 said:
Totally agree,Waste of space.
Piss up and brewery come to mind,Probably been bunged a few quid like fifa to keep things quiet!!

Let me guess, you think Johnson is doing a good job?

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 9, 2021

Sbarcher said:
WHO - Did the virus come from here?
Wuhan Lab- No
WHO - Oh ok, we'll go home now

Not quite but the programme did show why they work with country’s with more patience than other organisations. The delay in confirming human to human caused massive issues for the world steve is right

It’sabatch87 · Feb 9, 2021

PVA said:
Let me guess, you think Johnson is doing a good job?

Not talking political parties I’m talking China/Who and the communist cover up.

Ian1779 · Feb 9, 2021

It’sabatch87 said:
Not talking political parties I’m talking China/Who and the communist cover up.

So are they covering up because they are a) Communist b) Chinese or c) completely fucking corrupt and incompetent?

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 9, 2021

Ian1779 said:
So are they covering up because they are a) Communist b) Chinese or c) completely fucking corrupt and incompetent?

They were scared and manage information with an iron fist. They hoped it would be ok and when it wasn’t they couldn’t make decisions to be transparent quick enough. Look at how the world reacted to the uk variant and South African variant etc. Not confirming human to human for weeks was awful or that it was airborne

Ian1779 · Feb 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
They were scared and manage information with an iron fist. They hoped it would be ok and when it wasn’t they couldn’t make decisions to be transparent quick enough. Look at how the world reacted to the uk variant and South African variant etc. Not confirming human to human for weeks was awful or that it was airborne

Which would be solely down to point c) and nothing else I would suggest.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 9, 2021

Ian1779 said:
Which would be solely down to point c) and nothing else I would suggest.

Certainly incompetent

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 9, 2021

Ian1779 said:
Which would be solely down to point c) and nothing else I would suggest.

And also wouldn't alter the fact it's natural causes.

Ian1779 · Feb 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
And also wouldn't alter the fact it's natural causes.

If we’ve learnt nothing in this country over the last year - it’s that corruption and incompetence together is a deadly combination.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 9, 2021

Ian1779 said:
If we’ve learnt nothing in this country over the last year - it’s that corruption and incompetence together is a deadly combination.

tbh, you can see in this thread, a fair number of people deciding at various points this was nothing serious, really.

It's hardly unsurprising that when it first crops up, there's a certain level of denial.

Grendel · Feb 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbh, you can see in this thread, a fair number of people deciding at various points this was nothing serious, really.

It's hardly unsurprising that when it first crops up, there's a certain level of denial.

Do you believe China to be one of the most brutal despotic regimes on the planet?

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 9, 2021

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbh, you can see in this thread, a fair number of people deciding at various points this was nothing serious, really.

It's hardly unsurprising that when it first crops up, there's a certain level of denial.

And why optimistic decisions are taken initially. It’s why the second and third waves and making similar mistakes is so poor. Also why being transparent about the uk variant and supporting other countries to identify them was a really good thing

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 9, 2021

Grendel said:
Do you believe China to be one of the most brutal despotic regimes on the planet?

Do ducks lay bigger eggs than chickens?

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