Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (236 Viewers)

Don't know if it was related or confused but I posted earlier in the thread but I read an article suggesting the under 40's were to receive a different brand , guessing it was the Jansen one . Around a week ago
Did look for the article but didn't find it ,and certainly since this lot came out .

Seperate to this what is JVT doing expressing his opinion on the suggestion of an inquiry into the Do not resuscitate notice that was in operation last year?

It’sabatch87 said:

My Mrs sister and brother are both 44 and are going for their first jabs next weds here in Somerset so who do you believe?

Click to expand...

Based purely on anecdotal evidence admittedly but.....

Somerset: 5 out of 5 Tory MPs & racing ahead of schedule with an abundant supply of vaccine.

Warks: 5 out of 6 Tory MPs & racing ahead of schedule with an abundant supply of vaccine.

Merseyside: 1 out of 15 Tory MPs was racing ahead in December/Jan & then had vaccine supplies throttled & then redistributed away from the region. Now lagging behind schedule.

...just saying.

jimmyhillsfanclub said:

Based purely on anecdotal evidence admittedly but.....

Somerset: 5 out of 5 Tory MPs & racing ahead of schedule with an abundant supply of vaccine.

Warks: 5 out of 6 Tory MPs & racing ahead of schedule with an abundant supply of vaccine.

Merseyside: 1 out of 15 Tory MPs was racing ahead in December/Jan & then had vaccine supplies throttled & then redistributed away from the region. Now lagging behind schedule.

...just saying.

Click to expand...

Vaccine roll out suddenly slows when it reaches age groups less likely to vote Tory as well. Stranger things have happened

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:

I was talking more about the threats to block exports etc.

Click to expand...

Threats aren’t actions though and we’ve threatened the same. That’s just standard bluster and if you think that’s bad you should’ve been listening to our polticians the last thirty years. Or did you miss us threatening war on the French if we didn’t get the fish we wanted?

jimmyhillsfanclub said:

Based purely on anecdotal evidence admittedly but.....

Somerset: 5 out of 5 Tory MPs & racing ahead of schedule with an abundant supply of vaccine.

Warks: 5 out of 6 Tory MPs & racing ahead of schedule with an abundant supply of vaccine.

Merseyside: 1 out of 15 Tory MPs was racing ahead in December/Jan & then had vaccine supplies throttled & then redistributed away from the region. Now lagging behind schedule.

...just saying.

Click to expand...

Not that I don’t love a conspiracy. But the factors that make an area Tory and that make take up high are the same (rich, older).

shmmeee said:

Not that I don’t love a conspiracy. But the factors that make an area Tory and that make take up high are the same (rich, older).

Click to expand...

Conversely, Coventry's been doing well as far as I'm aware, and that ain't Tory.

I wonder if the brakes suddenly being applied to the vaccine rollout is because they’ve been forging ahead with getting as many people as possible the first jab, but have now realised if they carry on it will be logisticaly impossible to 2nd jab everyone within the already extended 12 week period.
maybe ramping up 2nd jabs from now and then 2nd jabs only throughout April is the only way they can catch up and not be faced with the disaster of people being left stranded with only 1 jab.

Don't think this is the one but is from five days ago , maybe suggesting overpromising
Edit Anecdotally I think some of these parameters have started and are not awaiting the rigid schedule.

shmmeee said:

Not that I don’t love a conspiracy. But the factors that make an area Tory and that make take up high are the same (rich, older).

Click to expand...

Certainly for the oldest percentile as life expectancy is either 10 years dependant on that postcode.
Not sure about the rest .

Deleted member 5849 said:

Conversely, Coventry's been doing well as far as I'm aware, and that ain't Tory.

Click to expand...

It isn't but it will be a target given how close the last GE was

shmmeee said:

Threats aren’t actions though and we’ve threatened the same. That’s just standard bluster and if you think that’s bad you should’ve been listening to our polticians the last thirty years. Or did you miss us threatening war on the French if we didn’t get the fish we wanted?

Click to expand...

It doesn't really matter what you say, it just looks like blind defence of an institution with their backs well up against the wall.

You can have your second referendum now if you want though.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:

It doesn't really matter what you say, it just looks like blind defence of an institution with their backs well up against the wall.

You can have your second referendum now if you want though.

Click to expand...

What? Dude you’re the one hung up on the EU. I’m sorry the facts are otherwise. This is how competing trading blocks act towards each other. It’s what you wanted. We get to threaten them over fish, they get to over vaccines

This is old but , simply the AZ statement around it's deal with the EU .
Does beg the question that at least one of it's manufacturing facilities has still not sought approval to kick on from the EU body .

shmmeee said:

What? Dude you’re the one hung up on the EU. I’m sorry the facts are otherwise. This is how competing trading blocks act towards each other. It’s what you wanted. We get to threaten them over fish, they get to over vaccines

Click to expand...

I'm not hung up, I just find it outstanding the lengths some people will go to defending the EU. Even when their fuck ups are platinum plated.

Deleted member 5849 said:

Conversely, Coventry's been doing well as far as I'm aware, and that ain't Tory.

Click to expand...

That's very subjective.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:

I'm not hung up, I just find it outstanding the lengths some people will go to defending the EU. Even when their fuck ups are platinum plated.

Click to expand...

Again. You’re blaming decisions that the fucking Congo took on the EU, then when that’s pointed out point to some very mild threats, which as I said we do too because that’s what two competing trading partners look like. You wanted this remember? You wanted everyone to go their own way. That’s what this is.

You’re like some guy that broke up with his ex and can’t stop Facebook stalking her. Move on.

This sounds a bit better in relation to people getting a second dose on time

fernandopartridge said:

It isn't but it will be a target given how close the last GE was

Click to expand...

Exactly, where as Liverpool will always be somewhere they can ignore without losing meaningful votes.

fernandopartridge said:

It isn't but it will be a target given how close the last GE was

Click to expand...

Nuneaton is Tory isn’t it? South Cov will probably go Tory next GE.

shmmeee said:

Nuneaton is Tory isn’t it? South Cov will probably go Tory next GE.

Click to expand...

Does Coventry return 3 or 4 MPs, I know it used to be 4 but I’ve been out of the area for years now.

shmmeee said:

Nuneaton is Tory isn’t it? South Cov will probably go Tory next GE.

Click to expand...

Not if we as a country grow some balls and throw out these charlatans

Brylowes said:

Does Coventry return 3 or 4 MPs, I know it used to be 4 but I’ve been out of the area for years now.

Click to expand...

3

shmmeee said:

3

Click to expand...

Thought so, find that a little surprising as I thought Cov would be big enough to have 4.
It used to have 4 didn’t it ?

shmmeee said:

Nuneaton is Tory isn’t it? South Cov will probably go Tory next GE.

Click to expand...

I think this local election is so important for Labour as it will be the first measure of Labour's popularity since the GE.

I can honestly see a challenge for the Labour leadership over the next year.

Philosorapter said:

I think this local election is so important for Labour as it will be the first measure of Labour popularity since the GE.

I can honestly see a challenge for the Labour leadership over the next year.

Click to expand...

From who? Richard Burgon?

We get measures of Labour’s popularity every week or so from the polls. Currently it’s enough to deny a majority in a GE but not get one. Which is about the best you can expect after 2019.

shmmeee said:

We get measures of Labour’s popularity every week or so from the polls. Currently it’s enough to deny a majority in a GE but not get one. Which is about the best you can expect after 2019.

Click to expand...

Hartlepool by-election could be interesting. Suspect both parties will be going all out for that one.

shmmeee said:

From who? Richard Burgon?

We get measures of Labour’s popularity every week or so from the polls. Currently it’s enough to deny a majority in a GE but not get one. Which is about the best you can expect after 2019.

Click to expand...

I think there is the anticipation of this long-waited report which has been put back to after the local elections.

shmmeee said:

Again. You’re blaming decisions that the fucking Congo took on the EU, then when that’s pointed out point to some very mild threats, which as I said we do too because that’s what two competing trading partners look like. You wanted this remember? You wanted everyone to go their own way. That’s what this is.

You’re like some guy that broke up with his ex and can’t stop Facebook stalking her. Move on.

Click to expand...

You would love me to move on.

That way you wouldn't keep having to get triggered by the EU doing something shitty.

Anecdotally of a phone call into Jeremy Vine show .
Chap had first around mid Feb so anticipated or had arranged 2nd dose prior to mid May.
Had a phone last night to expect his second imminently .
Schedule looks to have shifted, although only one example.

shmmeee said:

Nuneaton is Tory isn’t it? South Cov will probably go Tory next GE.

Click to expand...

Coventry South isn't going Tory in the next GE - From speaking to the locals we are getting support back from 2019 and Sultana despite what the press may say about her is actually quite popular.

David O'Day said:

Coventry South isn't going Tory in the next GE - From speaking to the locals we are getting support back from 2019 and Sultana despite what the press may say about her is actually quite popular.

Click to expand...

I hope so. The demographic of the area is increasingly Tory friendly. You’d hope 2019 was our low point though.

Sultana has improved a lot TBF.

March 18, 2021 9:59 am by Sarah Neville and Jasmine Cameron-Chileshe in London and Stephanie Findlay in New Delhi
Rising demand for supplies from a key Indian manufacturer of the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine is hampering its ability to send doses to the UK, people familiar with the situation have told the Financial Times.
The latest development emerged as the UK government comes under growing pressure to explain a “significant” reduction in vaccine supplies which has delayed the rollout to people aged under 50 with no underlying health conditions.
People briefed on the situation suggested a key pinch point was supply that had been expected to arrive from the Serum Institute in India to boost the volumes already available. A total of 10m doses had been expected to enter the UK although there had been no timeframe specified for the shipments, they said. Of that, 5m doses were sent several weeks ago.

Robert Jenrick, UK housing secretary, refused on Thursday to give details about the delay other than to say the government only learnt there were going to be supply issues with the vaccine “in the last few days”.
“I don’t think it is right for me to say exactly what the issue is or with which manufacturer or in which factory — a number of global manufacturers are experiencing issues and we source vaccines from a number of manufacturers from all over the world,” he told the BBC’s Today programme.
Discussing vaccine exports in the Indian parliament on Wednesday, foreign minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar did not say they had been banned but said supply was “based on assessment of adequate availability at home”.
“This is continuously monitored and takes into account the requirements of our domestic vaccination programme as it unfolds in different phases,” he said.
Staff involved in the UK vaccination programme were told on Wednesday the fall in supply available from the week beginning March 29 meant the amount available for first doses would be “significantly constrained”. They were instructed by NHS leaders to freeze all further bookings for April, including for all under-50s — the next cohort due to be inoculated.
AstraZeneca issued a statement on Wednesday evening insisting its “domestic supply chain is not experiencing any disruption and there is no impact on our delivery schedule”. UK manufacturers are capable of supplying the entire 100m doses that AstraZeneca is contracted to provide to Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government.
One person familiar with the situation rejected the suggestion that there had been a delay, saying the UK had not been given a precise timetable for delivery of the doses. The rising demand from the Indian government was affecting availability for exports, they said. The Serum Institute declined to comment.

The number of infections, and the rate of vaccinations, in the south Asian country has been picking up in recent weeks, prompting pressure from the government to to assess domestic demand and make shipments accordingly, the insiders said.

The rest of the doses would arrive in the UK very soon, they said, but noted the timing would depend on domestic requirements. Issues with supply from Serum were first reported by the Telegraph.
Jenrick said that any new manufacturing process would have “its ups and downs”, but argued the government was confident it would be able to meet its target of offering the vaccine to all those in its top nine priority groups by mid-April and all adults by the end of July

David O'Day said:

Coventry South isn't going Tory in the next GE - From speaking to the locals we are getting support back from 2019 and Sultana despite what the press may say about her is actually quite popular.

Click to expand...

2019 was a weak spot - desperately unpopular leader, two established MPs going and non-locals being parachuted in. Fletcher held onto her seat comfortably so, with the new MPs having had time to show what they can do (and they both seem to work quite hard) you'd think they'll establish themselves more.

shmmeee said:

I hope so. The demographic of the area is increasingly Tory friendly. You’d hope 2019 was our low point though.

Sultana has improved a lot TBF.

Click to expand...

While it NW isn't going to go tory either I'd be more worried about there.

The richer people are still far less than the "locals" and are not as right wing as you'd think.


Sultana is doing a good job of being seen to be fighting for Cov south interests which is more than some people thought.