Evo1883
Well-Known Member
And it's disgusting
And it's disgustingJust because something isn't needed doesn't mean this government won't hand a multi billion pound contract to their mates for it.
The subtle thing is Whitty said there will come a point where we have to deal with it like flu.Just because something isn't needed doesn't mean this government won't hand a multi billion pound contract to their mates for it.
The subtle thing is Whitty said there will come a point where we have to deal with it like flu.
He's not wrong.
Where that point is, however...
We're almost there though is he forsees another 30,000 deaths .
COVID-19: Chris Whitty warns virus measures needed for another two years to combat threat of variants
Professor Whitty says a "period of risk" remains until there is a bank of vaccines that work against coronavirus variants.news.sky.com
Over 40s haven't been vaccinated. Some have had their first, most haven't.So basically end of summer.. however going forward the population will not be able to have an annual vaccine it's simply too expensive, the vulnerable will just like with the flu jabs now .
I still fail to see how we can't start heading back to normal even now with the number of deaths being so low under 40 and with most over 40s being vaccinated
That however would require sensible border controls too
Chris Whitty said:What we don't want to be is in a situation where we look back in six months and say 'If we'd only just been a bit more cautious for a month or two we would've actually got through [vaccinating] the whole population, we'd have understood a lot more, we'd know how to deal with this, we'd probably have a few variant vaccines on the stocks'.
No I don't really think so , as long as it is us being back to normal once it's happened... and also makes the argument for a vaccine passport seem ridiculous apart from if you are heading abroadOver 40s haven't been vaccinated. Some have had their first, most haven't.
He's not wrong in this, is he.
So, we're broadly in agreement thenNo I don't really think so , as long as it is us being back to normal once it's happened... and also makes the argument for a vaccine passport seem ridiculous apart from if you are heading abroad
Agreed , but let's be honest another massive waste of public money won't be a problem to the conservativesVaccine passports for international travel is fine.
Vaccine passports for everyday life is not.
So, we're broadly in agreement then
I'm quite happy once everyone's been vaccinated, to give 'normal' a go. FWIW it does seem vaccines are working perfectly well, and it would take something drastic to break them... but they're not 100% of course, and we still have a world to vaccinate, and that means being aware, and being wary, until we get to that stage, however normal normal is.
It's also, what is normal? Going to a football match? Yeah. Going to the pub? Yeah. Being asked to wear a mask on a packed tube train...?
Honestly think if they start pissing us about after the vaccine programme has been completed people's heads will start rolling ..only so much people are prepared to take and I think many are on the edge right now
Agreed , but let's be honest another massive waste of public money won't be a problem to the conservatives
So, we're broadly in agreement then
I'm quite happy once everyone's been vaccinated, to give 'normal' a go. FWIW it does seem vaccines are working perfectly well, and it would take something drastic to break them... but they're not 100% of course, and we still have a world to vaccinate, and that means being aware, and being wary, until we get to that stage, however normal normal is. If we'd been a little less cavalier and blase early on, we could have avoided something of the carnage,
It's also, what is normal? Going to a football match? Yeah. Going to the pub? Yeah. Being asked to wear a mask on a packed tube train...?
I was asking the question. Personally, I don't know the answer. I'm still baffled why people are so enraged about masks, however.Vaccination is far greater protection than making everyone cover half their faces
Certainly an eclectic mix in the group against them.Its come to something whenI find myself agreeing with Ian Duncan Smith
Or Corbyn and Duncan Smith agreeing on itIts come to something whenI find myself agreeing with Ian Duncan Smith
I was asking the question. Personally, I don't know the answer. I'm still baffled why people are so enraged about masks, however.
It's also pretty pointless up until that point having a policy where those who are vulnerable get to wear a mask, when those who aren't don't, of course... but that's another story
I hope to never see a surgical mask again outside of a hospital or Canley where Asian students have been wearing them for yearsSeveral parts of it I can’t stand but normalising not being able to see someone’s face is top of the list. Besides the personal feeling of not being able to breathe properly (which I know is not typical for most), not being able to hear people through the mask and so on. Vaccines are the ultimate protection and if you insist on wearing masks when everyone’s been jabbed it kind of defeats the purpose
I hope to never see a surgical mask again outside of a hospital or Canley where Asian students have been wearing them for years
The only question I have is that exposure to disease is (in a general sense) good for the population's health, in a perverse way wrt immunity etc.I'm hoping they stay in some capacity - say if you've got a cold or something and have to travel on public transport or go shopping etc. It's a courtesy to others to try and prevent diseases spreading.
A lot of the Asian thinking isn't just disease like SARS but just the poor air quality. If you looked at the shit that's in the air, esp in urban environments, you'd arguably wonder why people don't wear them.
I'm hoping they stay in some capacity - say if you've got a cold or something and have to travel on public transport or go shopping etc. It's a courtesy to others to try and prevent diseases spreading.
A lot of the Asian thinking isn't just disease like SARS but just the poor air quality. If you looked at the shit that's in the air, esp in urban environments, you'd arguably wonder why people don't wear them.
The only question I have is that exposure to disease is (in a general sense) good for the population's health, in a perverse way wrt immunity etc.
Somewhere there's a balance to be had between I'll do what I like nonsense, and over-tyrannical edicts.
My sonand his mates have pretty much given up on it all now.
I've had a word with him because the last couple of weeks he's took the piss a bit but at the end of the day they're young lads and lasses whove missed out on a lot and I can see they're just fed up with it now.
The vulnerable among them and around them have been jabbed, as far as they're concerned its pretty much over despite being told that's not the case.
You'd assume, once everybody's been given the chance to have a vaccine, that the numbers who will choose not to are small enough to be relatively insignificant, anyway. We're actually getting a fairly good take-up, although I suppose that might dip when it gets to da yoof.Very hard to knock the kids, they’ve had various elements of their lives disproportionally impacted by a virus that appears to pose a (tiny) limited risk to them.
Will await proposals on vaccine passports before commenting as just loads of rumours at the moment, however, apart from foreign travel I don’t really agree with the idea in principle....and at least have the balls to say vaccines are mandatory if you’re bringing something like that for domestic use.
Can't imagine what's stopping him from joining Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Long-Bailey etcStarmer with his strong opinion of vaccine passports
You'd assume, once everybody's been given the chance to have a vaccine, that the numbers who will choose not to are small enough to be relatively insignificant, anyway. We're actually getting a fairly good take-up, although I suppose that might dip when it gets to da yoof.
You'd assume, once everybody's been given the chance to have a vaccine, that the numbers who will choose not to are small enough to be relatively insignificant, anyway. We're actually getting a fairly good take-up, although I suppose that might dip when it gets to da yoof.
Presumably there's a magic number of vaccinations we have to reach for the famed herd immunity to kick in. Do we know what that is? Assume it will be dependent on the effectiveness of vaccines both in terms of stopping hospital admissions and how much transmission drops once vaccinated.
Presumably there's a magic number of vaccinations we have to reach for the famed herd immunity to kick in. Do we know what that is? Assume it will be dependent on the effectiveness of vaccines both in terms of stopping hospital admissions and how much transmission drops once vaccinated.
To be fair the vaccine has been effective against the different variants we have now ..Keeps changing Dave but presume herd immunity is irrelevant if new variants appear (locally or from abroad)
To be fair the vaccine has been effective against the different variants we have now ..
A severe mutation is the only way It can be problem against the vaccine surely
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