Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Not really, pulling it so they can look at the side effects is not the same as you seem to be claiming.

Look at the slides. It’s only just worth it for U30s in the U.K. because of our low numbers. If we had Europe’s cases it makes no sense at all.

Nothing to do with the EU, but the decisions made to halt usage of AZ on vulnerable populations while cases were still high is bordering on criminal. Nothing MHRA have said today changes that.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not really, pulling it so they can look at the side effects is not the same as you seem to be claiming.

It seems more a case of the risk from COVID being so low to this age group that a vaccine with x % of side effects isn't worth it. Though being honest by the time we reach 18-29 we'll probably be on to Novavax for them anyway. Let's keep it in perspective, we're talking a few dozen cases out of tens of millions of injections.

 

[wingy]

Over 4000 deaths in a single day in Brazil. That is terrible.

Hideous really.

 

[shmmeee]

The relevant slides, we are around the low exposure levels I think, Europe is closer to the high:

 

[fernandopartridge]

Saves a bit of face for AZ, the UK and the EU over the contract primacy doesn’t it


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[clint van damme]

Hideous really.

read a report in a newspaper a few weeks ago about what's going on over there. Absolutely horrendous.

 

[PVA]

Brazil still has a lower death rate than the UK

 

[wingy]

I'm more bothered about the likely impact on possibly vaccinating children TBF.

 

[David O'Day]

Interesting piece on the folly of vaccine passports

Why covid ID cards won’t work

Ian Dunt on why covid ID cards won’t work, and the negative impacts they could produce.

www.politics.co.uk

 

[Marty]

For anyone interested, a little update, my arm is swollen and has little feeling, feel extremely tired so off for an early night.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

A review finds a "plausible" link to rare blood clots, but says the jab remains beneficial for most.

www.bbc.co.uk

any apologies to our friends in Europe appropriate?

 

[Grendel]

Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

A review finds a "plausible" link to rare blood clots, but says the jab remains beneficial for most.

www.bbc.co.uk

any apologies to our friends in Europe appropriate?

No why?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No why?

There is more risk from the vaccine than Covid in under 30’s

 

[Grendel]

There is more risk from the vaccine than Covid in under 30’s

So this is the same Europe which one leader in France said didn’t work and one in Germany said don’t take it if like me you are over 65?

Did they apologise for actual lies?

 

[xcraigx]

For anyone interested, a little update, my arm is swollen and has little feeling, feel extremely tired so off for an early night.

My sister and her husband had their first jab a week or so back. He felt fine, she felt like shit for a couple of days. It seems to be a complete lottery who does and who doesn't get a reaction.

 

[PVA]

Did they apologise for actual lies?

The irony of this considering you adore a man that tells 'actual lies' every time he opens his mouth.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet

 

[David O'Day]

You adore a man that tells 'actual lies' every time he opens his mouth.

Grenners in not telling the truth shocker

 

[hill83]

My sister and her husband had their first jab a week or so back. He felt fine, she felt like shit for a couple of days. It seems to be a complete lottery who does and who doesn't get a reaction.

I read it was based on how good your immune system is at fighting the virus. The better your immune system the more of a reaction you get from it.*

*could be complete bollocks but not sure if you need that caveat on here to be fair

 

[David O'Day]

I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet

Pretty much, some of the clowns on here were saying the whole things was the EU trying to rubbish the AZ vaccine.

 

[Grendel]

Grenners in not telling the truth shocker

David in pretending he ignores me shocker - are under 16’s due the vaccine at any time Dave?

 

[Grendel]

I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet

The risk is 1 in a million. The Eu response is to try and justify their rather appalling management of the whole programme. Again, did Germany say it was t safe for over 65 and Macron questioning its effectiveness?

 

[skybluetony176]

I read it was based on how good your immune system is at fighting the virus. The better your immune system the more of a reaction you get from it.*

*could be complete bollocks but not sure if you need that caveat on here to be fair

I know someone who’s had a splenectomy which severely compromises your immune system and they had a right shitty reaction to the jab. Maybe it’s the other way around.

 

[skybluetony176]

The risk is 1 in a million. The Eu response is to try and justify their rather appalling management of the whole programme. Again, did Germany say it was t safe for over 65 and Macron questioning its effectiveness?

I know that you don’t like facts to cloud your judgment but here they come. It was 10 countries in the EU who paused the rollout, that’s barely a third of the EU. The EMA which is the regulatory body that controls the regulation of vaccines in the EU only ever advised the continuing use of the vaccine. So given the facts the the “EU response” was actually the opposite of what you’re trying to paint it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I read it was based on how good your immune system is at fighting the virus. The better your immune system the more of a reaction you get from it.*

*could be complete bollocks but not sure if you need that caveat on here to be fair

It's a bit like the Heaf test you get for the BCG vaccine. The stronger your immune response is the more likely you are to feel something.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pretty much, some of the clowns on here were saying the whole things was the EU trying to rubbish the AZ vaccine.

Not quite as clownish as the EU sending in inspectors to AZ sites in case the company was lying about production issues.

 

[wingy]

Thought I'd have a read to see how others are doing .

Covid-19: What do we know about Sputnik V and other Russian vaccines?

In August 2020, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin surprised the world by approving its first domestically developed covid-19 vaccine, before phase III clinical trials had even begun. Chris Baraniuk reviews what we know—and don’t Russia’s first approved vaccine was developed and produced...

www.bmj.com

Funny VDL is critical in the article about Russia exporting millions of doses while millions of there own population haven't had a dose, couldn't make it up .
Finally do we think scientifically and objectively it's any good ?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Thought I'd have a read to see how others are doing .

Covid-19: What do we know about Sputnik V and other Russian vaccines?

In August 2020, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin surprised the world by approving its first domestically developed covid-19 vaccine, before phase III clinical trials had even begun. Chris Baraniuk reviews what we know—and don’t Russia’s first approved vaccine was developed and produced...

www.bmj.com

Funny VDL is critical in the article about Russia exporting millions of doses while millions of there own population haven't had a dose, couldn't make it up .
Finally do we think scientifically and objectively it's any good ?

It's a bit unusual in that the second dose is biologically different to the first but the data looks good.

 

[wingy]

It's a bit unusual in that the second dose is biologically different to the first but the data looks good.

Yes and Oxford are looking at combining for the second dose.

 

[fernandopartridge]

For anyone interested, a little update, my arm is swollen and has little feeling, feel extremely tired so off for an early night.

Stop watching so much porn

 

[fernandopartridge]

There is more risk from the vaccine than Covid in under 30’s

That is not true

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That is not true

Really? There is potentially more risk from the vaccine than Covid to the u30’s? Is that better? Or there is a risk that potentially? One of them is true

 

[fernandopartridge]

Really? There is potentially more risk from the vaccine than Covid to the u30’s? Is that better? Or there is a risk that potentially? One of them is true

Potentially more risk or more risk? You're moving the goalposts already.

The risk of dying from a vaccine related blood clot is 1 in a million. That is a lower risk than covid.
According to the QCOVID tool, the risk a 30 Yr old with no risk factors dying of covid is 1 in 250k.

 

[ovduk78]

Potentially more risk or more risk? You're moving the goalposts already.

The risk of dying from a vaccine related blood clot is 1 in a million. That is a lower risk than covid.
According to the QCOVID tool, the risk a 30 Yr old with no risk factors dying of covid is 1 in 250k.

I'm not sure that's right. 19 have died from 22 million doses but 3 of those have been under 30 and I doubt if 3 million under 30s have been vaccinated. Looking at the 1st slide JVT showed yesterday in under 30s 0.8 per 100,000 could die from the virus but 1.1 per 100,000 could die from the vaccine. This is surely why under 30s are to be offered an alternative vaccine.

 

[clint van damme]

I like that they’ve come out and said this it shows logical review of managing risk but it does show other countries were not being irrational to say we don’t know enough yet

I can't agree Pete. Given the numbers of deaths from Covid I think they were displaying a certain amount of irrationality.

Once the other vaccines become as widely used as AZ there may be issues with them but I'd wager the numbers would still be incredibly small.