Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (8 Viewers)

[Nick]

Have you read the article? It quotes Indian doctors saying there's a huge surge in younger patients, with 65% of hospital admissions under 45. Also talks about symptomatic cases in children under the age of 12 when there was virtually none prior to the variant.

Of course we need to open back up as soon as possible and to a certain extent we have to learn to live with it. I'm hoping that as more data comes in it will be shown that it is safe to proceed as planned but it would be foolish to once again ignore the experts and end up back in lockdown for an extended amount of time. I'd rather have a couple more weeks now than be back in lockdown for months again.

Hopefully this time it actually sinks in that when the experts are telling you that people from a certain country need to be quarantined the government actually takes action.

How about we just stop people coming over from India full stop until they have sorted their shit?

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

How about we just stop people coming over from India full stop until they have sorted their shit?

I think just about all of us on here would be happy with tougher border controls (and more decisive ones, too!). That's about the one thing we can all agree on!!

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Have you read the article? It quotes Indian doctors saying there's a huge surge in younger patients, with 65% of hospital admissions under 45. Also talks about symptomatic cases in children under the age of 12 when there was virtually none prior to the variant.

Of course we need to open back up as soon as possible and to a certain extent we have to learn to live with it. I'm hoping that as more data comes in it will be shown that it is safe to proceed as planned but it would be foolish to once again ignore the experts and end up back in lockdown for an extended amount of time. I'd rather have a couple more weeks now than be back in lockdown for months again.

Hopefully this time it actually sinks in that when the experts are telling you that people from a certain country need to be quarantined the government actually takes action.

SAGE would want us locked down forever if it was up to them, its time we moved on and learnt to live with it

 

[SBAndy]

SAGE would want us locked down forever if it was up to them, its time we moved on and learnt to live with it

You haven’t got a fucking clue.

 

[skybluetony176]

SAGE would want us locked down forever if it was up to them, its time we moved on and learnt to live with it

The alternative is a return to the utter chaos Boris lad orchestrated last year. You remember that don’t you?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Now the vaccination programme has largely covered the most vulnerable, the age cohort segments do not matter so much. It would make more sense to concentrate on the people most likely to spread virus which is younger people socialising.

 

[chiefdave]

How about we just stop people coming over from India full stop until they have sorted their shit?

To be honest I'd be up for similar restrictions to Australia if that's what it takes. But at the very least get the quarantine in place as soon as the experts say it is needed. How many times do we have to repeat the same mistakes?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Said it before that a "variant" will mean there's more lockdown, rinse and repeat every single time.

I don’t think it will

I'm with grendel on this. Always felt before they'd jumped the gun, infections and deaths would go up and we'd end up back where we started. This time i think the vaccinations are a game changer that will keep things going at roughly the expected pace. I expect it will still be passed around but serious cases and deaths won't be anywhere near as bad.

Besides, Boris doesn't like doing things that make him unpopular so he'll resist it as much as possible.

 

[clint van damme]

Such a load of BS about this Indian variant keeping us from fully reopening, its not more deadly but is more transmissible! So why when everybody who's older/vunerable have had their jabs do we need to still have social distancing measures? It doesn't make sense

Hopefully people will stand up against it now because it seems like the goalposts will be moved forever

It doesn't make sense to have voterID cards when we don't have an issue with electoral fraud either but there you go.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The alternative is a return to the utter chaos Boris lad orchestrated last year. You remember that don’t you?

Why would it be chaos, we have a good size of the population vaccinated and this new variant isn't known to be more dangerous/evade the vaccine

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You haven’t got a fucking clue.

So what then? Lets keep going back into lockdowns yeah?

 

[David O'Day]

SAGE would want us locked down forever if it was up to them, its time we moved on and learnt to live with it

Here we go again

 

[David O'Day]

So what then? Lets keep going back into lockdowns yeah?

No be sensible and not let it get to that state.

 

[SBT]

Now the vaccination programme has largely covered the most vulnerable, the age cohort segments do not matter so much. It would make more sense to concentrate on the people most likely to spread virus which is younger people socialising.

I wonder if the vaccine supply here is too fragile to let that happen. In the US it’s basically been first come-first served with the vaccine for weeks now, and most major cities are almost back to normal as a result - but they have the luxury of a shit-ton of doses. I wonder if the worry over doing the same here is that it would complicate when people got their second doses.

 

[David O'Day]

It doesn't make sense to have voterID cards when we don't have an issue with electoral fraud either but there you go.

A top scientist explains why a more infectious coronavirus variant is a bigger problem than a deadlier strain

"Higher transmission is, in general, going to be a much bigger problem than the equivalent change in intensity," Adam Kucharski told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

Science thinks Dom's a plum as well

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So what then? Lets keep going back into lockdowns yeah?

It's the medical profession's job to err on the side of caution with health issues. It counterpoints Boris-lads 'let the bodies pile up in the streets' point of view of just do whatever people want as long as I look popular.

 

[skybluetony176]

To be honest I'd be up for similar restrictions to Australia if that's what it takes. But at the very least get the quarantine in place as soon as the experts say it is needed. How many times do we have to repeat the same mistakes?

At least once more.

 

[SBAndy]

So what then? Lets keep going back into lockdowns yeah?

Yep, fine by me. Stick me under house arrest until the end of time, fucking love it I do.

Here’s an activity for you, google the word “nuance”.

 

[Deleted member 11652]

A top scientist explains why a more infectious coronavirus variant is a bigger problem than a deadlier strain

"Higher transmission is, in general, going to be a much bigger problem than the equivalent change in intensity," Adam Kucharski told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

Science thinks Dom's a plum as well

Boxing match?

 

[Deleted member 11652]

The alternative is a return to the utter chaos Boris lad orchestrated last year. You remember that don’t you?

Yeah was great. Could go the pub and see your mates. Of course that’s only a good thing if you have mates

 

[LastGarrison]

Just read that there are three separate areas of Blackburn that are a ‘hotspot’ for the Indian variant so as of next week anyone over the age of 18 in those areas can book in for their vaccine.

Now THAT is the sort of stuff we should be doing.

 

[jordan210]

If you have a look at the data for Bolton. It shows its the younger people who are transmitting it. The rolling rate for 60+ has stayed flat.

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

If you then look at data for deaths. Bolton has not had one thankfully since 26-04-2021

This is positive news. As shows the vaccine works. But it needs to be rolled out quicker around hot spots. To stem transmission.

 

[clint van damme]

Yep, fine by me. Stick me under house arrest until the end of time, fucking love it I do.

Here’s an activity for you, google the word “nuance”.

I've got my favourite jumper on, its old now but it was nuance.

 

[hill83]

Yep, fine by me. Stick me under house arrest until the end of time, fucking love it I do.

Here’s an activity for you, google the word “nuance”.

Is the answer Jimmy Savile?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Continue with the programme as is but insist on quarantining and PCRing every arrival into the country regardless of this ‘traffic light’ situation. The problem is not unlocking the country it’s letting too many in without due diligence.

Oh and FFS offer me a jab

 

[shmmeee]

Got to start using up that stockpile we’ve been building on 18-30s in hotspot areas of you ask me. And stop Fucking letting people from virus hotspots into the country.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Got to start using up that stockpile we’ve been building on 18-30s in hotspot areas of you ask me. And stop Fucking letting people from virus hotspots into the country.

Agree completely and think we should reverse the decision on AZ jabs

 

[David O'Day]

Got to start using up that stockpile we’ve been building on 18-30s in hotspot areas of you ask me. And stop Fucking letting people from virus hotspots into the country.

Pretty much this, they'll realise this 8 weeks too late

 

[jordan210]

Some more great news

 

[CCFCSteve]

Got to start using up that stockpile we’ve been building on 18-30s in hotspot areas of you ask me. And stop Fucking letting people from virus hotspots into the country.

I won’t be best pleased if this delays relaxing of restrictions, the government should 100% have stuck India on the red list a bit sooner

However, a couple of additional points, firstly, what the fuck were people doing travelling to/from india anyway ? Secondly, why weren’t they self isolating for two weeks on return ?

Thankfully, it appears the vaccines work against the Indian variant and we’ve got nearly all high risk double jabbed now (as chart above shows) and over 40s single jabbed, so even if case numbers spike it hopefully shouldn’t translate to increased hospital admissions

Agree with comments about just opening up vaccines to all 18-40 now as well, especially if there are concerns about anticipated lower uptake...as long as that works ok logistically.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

the government should 100% have stuck India on the red list a bit sooner

Even when they decided to move it, they gave people a week to get home before implementing anything!

 

[CCFCSteve]

Even when they decided to move it, they gave people a week to get home before implementing anything!

I agree, it’s crazy on the face of it. The flip side though is leaving U.K. nationals stuck in India when there’s a humanitarian shitstorm taking place. Part of me thinks, tough, they shouldn’t have gone in the first place but deep down my overriding thought is still to just get them home.

Fact is if people followed the guidelines and properly isolated on return the spread should be minimised, especially with high vaccine update (which should help limit transmission). Unfortunately the community has been a bit more lax adhering to some of the rules throughout (that’s not me saying it, that’s from a couple of Indian mates)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The flip side though is leaving U.K. nationals stuck in India when there’s a humanitarian shitstorm taking place.

Wouldn't be doing that anyway if you did that right. Let them back, but just do some proper quarantine rather than this flimsy nonsense we have.

Fact is if people followed the guidelines and properly isolated on return the spread should be minimised

That's the issue when guidelines aren't enforced properly, though.

 

[jordan210]

Wouldn't be doing that anyway if you did that right. Let them back, but just do some proper quarantine rather than this flimsy nonsense we have.



That's the issue when guidelines aren't enforced properly, though.

Also doesn't help that its pretty easy to buy fake documents. So I bet it would not be hard to buy a PCR test negative certificate in India for a few quid.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I won’t be best pleased if this delays relaxing of restrictions, the government should 100% have stuck India on the red list a bit sooner

However, a couple of additional points, firstly, what the fuck were people doing travelling to/from india anyway ? Secondly, why weren’t they self isolating for two weeks on return ?

Thankfully, it appears the vaccines work against the Indian variant and we’ve got nearly all high risk double jabbed now (as chart above shows) and over 40s single jabbed, so even if case numbers spike it hopefully shouldn’t translate to increased hospital admissions

Agree with comments about just opening up vaccines to all 18-40 now as well, especially if there are concerns about anticipated lower uptake...as long as that works ok logistically.

Surely it makes sense to have people get the AZ sooner if there really is concern over the Indian variant. I'll take the 1 in 100,000 risk