skybluetony176
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The alternative is a return to the utter chaos Boris lad orchestrated last year. You remember that don’t you?
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fernandopartridge
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Now the vaccination programme has largely covered the most vulnerable, the age cohort segments do not matter so much. It would make more sense to concentrate on the people most likely to spread virus which is younger people socialising.
chiefdave
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To be honest I'd be up for similar restrictions to Australia if that's what it takes. But at the very least get the quarantine in place as soon as the experts say it is needed. How many times do we have to repeat the same mistakes?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'm with grendel on this. Always felt before they'd jumped the gun, infections and deaths would go up and we'd end up back where we started. This time i think the vaccinations are a game changer that will keep things going at roughly the expected pace. I expect it will still be passed around but serious cases and deaths won't be anywhere near as bad.
Besides, Boris doesn't like doing things that make him unpopular so he'll resist it as much as possible.
clint van damme
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It doesn't make sense to have voterID cards when we don't have an issue with electoral fraud either but there you go.
SkyBlueDom26
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Why would it be chaos, we have a good size of the population vaccinated and this new variant isn't known to be more dangerous/evade the vaccine
SkyBlueDom26
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So what then? Lets keep going back into lockdowns yeah?
David O'Day
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Here we go again
David O'Day
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No be sensible and not let it get to that state.
I wonder if the vaccine supply here is too fragile to let that happen. In the US it’s basically been first come-first served with the vaccine for weeks now, and most major cities are almost back to normal as a result - but they have the luxury of a shit-ton of doses. I wonder if the worry over doing the same here is that it would complicate when people got their second doses.
David O'Day
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A top scientist explains why a more infectious coronavirus variant is a bigger problem than a deadlier strain
"Higher transmission is, in general, going to be a much bigger problem than the equivalent change in intensity," Adam Kucharski told Business Insider.
www.businessinsider.com
Science thinks Dom's a plum as well
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's the medical profession's job to err on the side of caution with health issues. It counterpoints Boris-lads 'let the bodies pile up in the streets' point of view of just do whatever people want as long as I look popular.
skybluetony176
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At least once more.
SBAndy
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Yep, fine by me. Stick me under house arrest until the end of time, fucking love it I do.
Here’s an activity for you, google the word “nuance”.
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A top scientist explains why a more infectious coronavirus variant is a bigger problem than a deadlier strain
"Higher transmission is, in general, going to be a much bigger problem than the equivalent change in intensity," Adam Kucharski told Business Insider.
Science thinks Dom's a plum as well
Boxing match?
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Yeah was great. Could go the pub and see your mates. Of course that’s only a good thing if you have mates
LastGarrison
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Just read that there are three separate areas of Blackburn that are a ‘hotspot’ for the Indian variant so as of next week anyone over the age of 18 in those areas can book in for their vaccine.
Now THAT is the sort of stuff we should be doing.
Now THAT is the sort of stuff we should be doing.
jordan210
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If you have a look at the data for Bolton. It shows its the younger people who are transmitting it. The rolling rate for 60+ has stayed flat.
If you then look at data for deaths. Bolton has not had one thankfully since 26-04-2021
This is positive news. As shows the vaccine works. But it needs to be rolled out quicker around hot spots. To stem transmission.
If you then look at data for deaths. Bolton has not had one thankfully since 26-04-2021
This is positive news. As shows the vaccine works. But it needs to be rolled out quicker around hot spots. To stem transmission.
clint van damme
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I've got my favourite jumper on, its old now but it was nuance.
hill83
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Is the answer Jimmy Savile?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Continue with the programme as is but insist on quarantining and PCRing every arrival into the country regardless of this ‘traffic light’ situation. The problem is not unlocking the country it’s letting too many in without due diligence.
Oh and FFS offer me a jab
Oh and FFS offer me a jab
Brighton Sky Blue
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Agree completely and think we should reverse the decision on AZ jabs
David O'Day
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Pretty much this, they'll realise this 8 weeks too late
I won’t be best pleased if this delays relaxing of restrictions, the government should 100% have stuck India on the red list a bit sooner
However, a couple of additional points, firstly, what the fuck were people doing travelling to/from india anyway ? Secondly, why weren’t they self isolating for two weeks on return ?
Thankfully, it appears the vaccines work against the Indian variant and we’ve got nearly all high risk double jabbed now (as chart above shows) and over 40s single jabbed, so even if case numbers spike it hopefully shouldn’t translate to increased hospital admissions
Agree with comments about just opening up vaccines to all 18-40 now as well, especially if there are concerns about anticipated lower uptake...as long as that works ok logistically.
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Even when they decided to move it, they gave people a week to get home before implementing anything!
I agree, it’s crazy on the face of it. The flip side though is leaving U.K. nationals stuck in India when there’s a humanitarian shitstorm taking place. Part of me thinks, tough, they shouldn’t have gone in the first place but deep down my overriding thought is still to just get them home.
Fact is if people followed the guidelines and properly isolated on return the spread should be minimised, especially with high vaccine update (which should help limit transmission). Unfortunately the community has been a bit more lax adhering to some of the rules throughout (that’s not me saying it, that’s from a couple of Indian mates)
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Wouldn't be doing that anyway if you did that right. Let them back, but just do some proper quarantine rather than this flimsy nonsense we have.
That's the issue when guidelines aren't enforced properly, though.
jordan210
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Also doesn't help that its pretty easy to buy fake documents. So I bet it would not be hard to buy a PCR test negative certificate in India for a few quid.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Surely it makes sense to have people get the AZ sooner if there really is concern over the Indian variant. I'll take the 1 in 100,000 risk
Saddlebrains
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If they delay the 21st June restrictions for this i can actually see riots on the streets. People have had enough now. You cant say vaccines are the way out of it and then do the complete opposite
chiefdave
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I think you could have made the 'they couldn't have expected this, get them home' argument a year ago but not now. Anyone travelling to any other part of the world knows perfectly well they're taking a risk. Reading articles like this makes you wonder just what people were thinking.
Coronavirus: 'We want to get home, but there aren't any tickets'
Demand for flights from India to the UK has soared as travellers rush to beat Friday's quarantine deadline.
www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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Interestingly, Blackburn w Darwen which has been heavily hit throughout and now seems to be one of the places hit by the indian variant, has invited all over 18s in certain districts for a vaccine. NHS England pissed off apparently.
fernandopartridge
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I think they should let people decide on the AZ jab, I'd be willing to have it personally.