Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (360 Viewers)

LastGarrison · May 15, 2021

Got my text to book my second jab yesterday and I’m booked in for next Sunday.

First one was on Paddy’s Day so that’s 9 1/2 weeks from first to second.

I know this Government has fucked up massively, and continues to do so, with their handling of the pandemic but the vaccine roll out, in my opinion, has been a massive success.

fernandopartridge · May 15, 2021

LastGarrison said:
Got my text to book my second jab yesterday and I’m booked in for next Sunday.

First one was on Paddy’s Day so that’s 9 1/2 weeks from first to second.

I know this Government has fucked up massively, and continues to do so, with their handling of the pandemic but the vaccine roll out, in my opinion, has been a massive success.

If that was true there would be no rowing back on pledges to end lockdown

shmmeee · May 15, 2021

David O'Day said:
If only that was true

Sadly I think it is.

LastGarrison · May 15, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
If that was true there would be no rowing back on pledges to end lockdown

Semantics possibly but if you want to take it literally then the vaccine roll out has been a success.

The efficacy of the vaccines is a different matter altogether.

Liquid Gold · May 15, 2021

I’m fine if the 21st June deadline is put back but my mental health will take a massive hit if they start restricting what we’re now allowed to do.

I can’t do another full lockdown, if we get to that situation then it means we’re going to end up doing it for every variant forever. Fuck that.

David O'Day · May 15, 2021

shmmeee said:
Sadly I think it is.

Being a fucking fanny that is scared to make bug decisions is not doing his best.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 15, 2021

LastGarrison said:
Got my text to book my second jab yesterday and I’m booked in for next Sunday.

First one was on Paddy’s Day so that’s 9 1/2 weeks from first to second.

I know this Government has fucked up massively, and continues to do so, with their handling of the pandemic but the vaccine roll out, in my opinion, has been a massive success.

You need to stop seeing them after then. You'll only end up getting hurt.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 15, 2021

David O'Day said:
Being a fucking fanny that is scared to make bug decisions is not doing his best.

Sounds more like Corbyn to me.

"The caterpillars are eating my lettuces. But I don't want to use harmful chemicals that damage the environment and ecosystem. Maybe i should just let them eat the lettuces."

shmmeee · May 15, 2021

David O'Day said:
Being a fucking fanny that is scared to make bug decisions is not doing his best.

You have more belief in Boris Johnson than I do then.

jordan210 · May 15, 2021

Liquid Gold · May 15, 2021

jordan210 said:

What metrics are scientists using to decide what is totalitarian? Why are scientists being asked and not political theorists?

You can tell by a title that something is going to be proper batshit.

jordan210 · May 15, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
What metrics are scientists using to decide what is totalitarian? Why are scientists being asked and not political theorists?

You can tell by a title that something is going to be proper batshit.

Pretty shocking from the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B) about the tactics they used.

Just look at the government adverts. Trying to scare at every occasion.

"
One SPI-B scientist told Ms Dodsworth: “In March [2020] the Government was very worried about compliance and they thought people wouldn’t want to be locked down.

“There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian.

“The use of fear has definitely been ethically questionable. It’s been like a weird experiment. Ultimately, it backfired because people became too scared.”

Another SPI-B member said: “You could call psychology ‘mind control’. That’s what we do… clearly we try and go about it in a positive way, but it has been used nefariously in the past.”

One member of the committee warned that “people use the pandemic to grab power and drive through things that wouldn’t happen otherwise… We have to be very careful about the authoritarianism that is creeping in”.

Another admitted: “Without a vaccine, psychology is your main weapon… Psychology has had a really good epidemic, actually.”

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Another member of SPI-B said they were "stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology" during the pandemic, and that “psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative. They have too much power and it intoxicates them”."

Liquid Gold · May 15, 2021

jordan210 said:
Pretty shocking from the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B) about the tactics they used.

Just look at the government adverts. Trying to scare at every occasion.

"
One SPI-B scientist told Ms Dodsworth: “In March [2020] the Government was very worried about compliance and they thought people wouldn’t want to be locked down.

“There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian.

“The use of fear has definitely been ethically questionable. It’s been like a weird experiment. Ultimately, it backfired because people became too scared.”

Another SPI-B member said: “You could call psychology ‘mind control’. That’s what we do… clearly we try and go about it in a positive way, but it has been used nefariously in the past.”

One member of the committee warned that “people use the pandemic to grab power and drive through things that wouldn’t happen otherwise… We have to be very careful about the authoritarianism that is creeping in”.

Another admitted: “Without a vaccine, psychology is your main weapon… Psychology has had a really good epidemic, actually.”

--

Another member of SPI-B said they were "stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology" during the pandemic, and that “psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative. They have too much power and it intoxicates them”."

Fair enough, they actually look like a reasonable organisation.

Just paper headlines misrepresenting. They’re actually behavioural scientists, psychologists, anthropologists and historians.

Independent Scientific Pandemic Insights Group on Behaviours (SPI-B)

SPI-B provides social and behavioural science advice.

www.gov.uk

xcraigx · May 15, 2021

During the height of the pandemic I would often watch the news and read online news services. Now I don't. I would imagine the media are now noticing a drop off in revenue as things start edging towards normal and I can't help but feel this 'Indian variant' is being hammed up as much as possible to instill fear and panic and to boost their flagging sales / clicks.

Is there actually any serious information out there that suggests we should be particularly concerned because i'm really struggling to be that concerned. Cases are low, deaths are low, vaccines seem to be working and are being administered quickly. The outlook is looking much more positive than it did 3 months back.

Wyken Sky Blue · May 15, 2021

Viruses mutate and I'm sure there are thousands of COVID-19 variants now.

I'm sure the media are spinning it up using India as the scapegoat due to the current situation over there. Same with the Brazil variant.

lordy_87 · May 15, 2021

Just sat here in th waiting room after my second Oxford jab at Keresely Green practice. Surprisingly very quiet here

Grendel · May 15, 2021

jordan210 said:
Pretty shocking from the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B) about the tactics they used.

Just look at the government adverts. Trying to scare at every occasion.

"
One SPI-B scientist told Ms Dodsworth: “In March [2020] the Government was very worried about compliance and they thought people wouldn’t want to be locked down.

“There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian.

“The use of fear has definitely been ethically questionable. It’s been like a weird experiment. Ultimately, it backfired because people became too scared.”

Another SPI-B member said: “You could call psychology ‘mind control’. That’s what we do… clearly we try and go about it in a positive way, but it has been used nefariously in the past.”

One member of the committee warned that “people use the pandemic to grab power and drive through things that wouldn’t happen otherwise… We have to be very careful about the authoritarianism that is creeping in”.

Another admitted: “Without a vaccine, psychology is your main weapon… Psychology has had a really good epidemic, actually.”

--

Another member of SPI-B said they were "stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology" during the pandemic, and that “psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative. They have too much power and it intoxicates them”."

Such tactics have frequently been used before - these are pretty tame compared to the past

shmmeee · May 15, 2021

jordan210 said:

I mean, yeah. But that’s what you need in a pandemic. The war effort was pretty totalitarian too.

stupot07 · May 15, 2021

This completely sums up Boris during this pandemic.

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LastGarrison · May 15, 2021

124 pints.

One good stag weekend should sort that.

SBT · May 15, 2021

xcraigx said:
During the height of the pandemic I would often watch the news and read online news services. Now I don't. I would imagine the media are now noticing a drop off in revenue as things start edging towards normal and I can't help but feel this 'Indian variant' is being hammed up as much as possible to instill fear and panic and to boost their flagging sales / clicks.

Is there actually any serious information out there that suggests we should be particularly concerned because i'm really struggling to be that concerned. Cases are low, deaths are low, vaccines seem to be working and are being administered quickly. The outlook is looking much more positive than it did 3 months back.

The Prime Minister went on national TV and said he was concerned about it. I get that it’s news that no-one wants to hear, let alone believe, but I don’t get the narrative that the media is deliberately overplaying this. Would people rather find out about it now or next month?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 15, 2021

SBT said:
The Prime Minister went on national TV and said he was concerned about it. I get that it’s news that no-one wants to hear, let alone believe, but I don’t get the narrative that the media is deliberately overplaying this. Would people rather find out about it now or next month?

Of course the media are overplaying it. What planet do you live on?

Wyken Sky Blue · May 15, 2021

SBT said:
The Prime Minister went on national TV and said he was concerned about it. I get that it’s news that no-one wants to hear, let alone believe, but I don’t get the narrative that the media is deliberately overplaying this. Would people rather find out about it now or next month?

Covid is not going anywhere and we have to live with it. We should not be pressing pause every time there is a new variant.

You only have to look online to see news stories of 'scientists' coming out of the woodwork saying it is more transmissible yet chances are its no different and less deadly

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Brighton Sky Blue · May 15, 2021

skyblue1991 said:
Covid is not going anywhere and we have to live with it. We should not be pressing pause every time there is a new variant.

You only have to look online to see news stories of 'scientists' coming out of the woodwork saying it is more transmissible yet chances are its no different and less deadly

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I have heard a few WFH people saying they’d be fine if restaurants and cinemas never reopened. Fine, live indoors forever then

Wyken Sky Blue · May 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have heard a few WFH people saying they’d be fine if restaurants and cinemas never reopened. Fine, live indoors forever then

One benefit for me from this pandemic is the new working approach moving forward (my company has termed it 'agile working')

I want other things back to normal though, really don't get why you wouldn't

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Brighton Sky Blue · May 15, 2021

skyblue1991 said:
One benefit for me from this pandemic is the new working approach moving forward (my company has termed it 'agile working')

I want other things back to normal though, really don't get why you wouldn't

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Comments like

‘I’ve learned how to cook so I don’t need a restaurant’

‘I’ve got Netflix and Amazon so I don’t need a cinema’

chiefdave · May 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Comments like

‘I’ve learned how to cook so I don’t need a restaurant’

‘I’ve got Netflix and Amazon so I don’t need a cinema’

I could quite happily never go to the cinema again if new releases continue to be made available, albeit at a premium price, on streaming services. Its a shit experience with people chatting, messing with phones, munching on snacks etc.

One thing I do hope we'll see as a result of WFH increasing is an increase in coffee shops, cafes, restaurants etc in residential areas. Don't believe people genuinely want to be stuck in their houses 24/7 never seeing anyone. I'd love to be able to walk to a coffee shop or pop out for lunch but there's nothing local enough to walk to. Been reading a bit about the concept of 15 minute cities and if we move towards that I think quality of life for a lot of people would improve.

Sky Blue Pete · May 15, 2021

chiefdave said:
I could quite happily never go to the cinema again if new releases continue to be made available, albeit at a premium price, on streaming services. Its a shit experience with people chatting, messing with phones, munching on snacks etc.

One thing I do hope we'll see as a result of WFH increasing is an increase in coffee shops, cafes, restaurants etc in residential areas. Don't believe people genuinely want to be stuck in their houses 24/7 never seeing anyone. I'd love to be able to walk to a coffee shop or pop out for lunch but there's nothing local enough to walk to. Been reading a bit about the concept of 15 minute cities and if we move towards that I think quality of life for a lot of people would improve.

Wow I really love the cinema big screen and stereo surround sound me

Brighton Sky Blue · May 15, 2021

chiefdave said:
I could quite happily never go to the cinema again if new releases continue to be made available, albeit at a premium price, on streaming services. Its a shit experience with people chatting, messing with phones, munching on snacks etc.

One thing I do hope we'll see as a result of WFH increasing is an increase in coffee shops, cafes, restaurants etc in residential areas. Don't believe people genuinely want to be stuck in their houses 24/7 never seeing anyone. I'd love to be able to walk to a coffee shop or pop out for lunch but there's nothing local enough to walk to. Been reading a bit about the concept of 15 minute cities and if we move towards that I think quality of life for a lot of people would improve.

Some jobs just can’t be WFH though and it irritates me a bit that those having such easy times of lockdown are fine with long established things to do being gone for good.

Grendel · May 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Some jobs just can’t be WFH though and it irritates me a bit that those having such easy times of lockdown are fine with long established things to do being gone for good.

Its funny as most working class jobs cannot be WFH but those who can will gladly grab it and ignore those who cant

Brighton Sky Blue · May 15, 2021

Grendel said:
Its funny as most working class jobs cannot be WFH but those who can will gladly grab it and ignore those who cant

That’s what it seems like from the friends I’ve spoken to. One doesn’t even have to take leave anymore, they can just take their laptop with them wherever, do a few hours work and that’s them done. Been told they’ll be like that all year

Grendel · May 15, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
That’s what it seems like from the friends I’ve spoken to. One doesn’t even have to take leave anymore, they can just take their laptop with them wherever, do a few hours work and that’s them done. Been told they’ll be like that all year

i did it for 10 years it was a piece of piss

Grendel · May 15, 2021

Furlough also is creating a scenario where those on it still and happy with the 80% are horrified at tne prospect of working again

Sky Blue Pete · May 15, 2021

Grendel said:
Furlough also is creating a scenario where those on it still and happy with the 80% are horrified at tne prospect of working again

I really can’t believe there’s many

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 15, 2021

Grendel said:
Furlough also is creating a scenario where those on it still and happy with the 80% are horrified at tne prospect of working again

I agree with you.

The working culture in the UK in my opinion is quite backwards and a lot of people are rightly unhappy.

Of course they'd rather stay home with their families.

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