Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (58 Viewers)

[CCFCSteve]

Procurement is where the government involvement stopped. I credit scientists, not politicians, with developing it and putting in the hard work to get it to market. After that point full credit should go to the JCVI and NHS for the strategy going into 2021 and physically implementing all the jabs.

Credit for doing as they were told is laughable

many on here (and elsewhere) raised issues with government following that advice and wanted a different strategy. As I say, if the roll out had fucked up would people be blaming the NHS/JVCI ?! Of course they wouldn’t, and nor should they. The government made the final decisions

 

---

[Brighton Sky Blue]

many on here (and elsewhere) raised issues with government following that advice and wanted a different strategy. As I say, if the roll out had fucked up would people be blaming the NHS/JVCI ?! Of course they wouldn’t, and nor should they. The government made the final decisions

You will find we made that choice as infections were spiralling and we were hitting 1,000 plus deaths a day. We had to do it that way to try and get some protection to more people. We would not have done it if Boris had done his job in the first place.

 

[Grendel]

You will find we made that choice as infections were spiralling and we were hitting 1,000 plus deaths a day. We had to do it that way to try and get some protection to more people. We would not have done it if Boris had done his job in the first place.

So if scientific advice now is to remain in lockdown untii all adults have 2 jabs youd demand this is what the government should do?

 

[Evo1883]

I'm watching sky news this morning it's pretty suicidal at the moment .

They should have this along the bottom in "BREAKING NEWS " would make people feel a bit better

 

[wingy]

many on here (and elsewhere) raised issues with government following that advice and wanted a different strategy. As I say, if the roll out had fucked up would people be blaming the NHS/JVCI ?! Of course they wouldn’t, and nor should they. The government made the final decisions

Do we acknowledge Blair or Hancock for the strategy on innoculating the elderly first,think the JCVI were looking at a different strategy up to that point?

 

[Evo1883]

Right now many just see the headlines that things are potentially going tits up and it's not good for your mental health.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So if scientific advice now is to remain in lockdown untii all adults have 2 jabs youd demand this is what the government should do?

There is no common scientific consensus on it yet. Whitty however has said quite often that it will be up to the government to determine what an acceptable death rate is once all are jabbed.

 

[wingy]

Have they not said just this week that vaccination has already prevented 12000 death's?

 

[Evo1883]

Have they not said just this week that vaccination has already prevented 12000 death's?

The media thrive off negativity

Sophie ridge now talking to Hancock, they are talking numbers like 1200 cases of the Indian variant .

Hancock is saying its more transmissible but the vaccine shows evidence of working effectively against it .

Now putting across spin words like , careful, a race against the strain , hopeful .

It's all very fucking depressing with a touch of logic thrown in

I've had enough of it all now tbh

 

[Evo1883]

Can't help but think step 4 will be delayed I'm afraid .

Hancock doesn't exactly sound upbeat

Fucking tragic

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can't help but think step 4 will be delayed I'm afraid .

Hancock doesn't exactly sound upbeat

Fucking tragic

Those sitting comfortably comparing Boris to a mass murderer for letting people go to a restaurant will be delighted

 

[wingy]

I've just had a conversation with an old employer of mine, fantastic bloke who runs a great little business and treats all his self employed staff tremendously well,a model employer really amongst many sharks.
Has run a much reduced operation for months now and has pumped all his and his business partners future funding for old age to keep it on tickover .
He will not get past this Autumn without the traditional exhibition calender resuming.

 

[Evo1883]

Those sitting comfortably comparing Boris to a mass murderer for letting people go to a restaurant will be delighted

Obviously, fucking blerts

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Obviously, fucking blurts

Estimated that 10% of UK restaurants have closed down now, other hospitality will be in a similar state. I cannot believe I am finding myself hoping against hope that Boris Johnson sticks to his guns

 

[Deleted member 5849]

STOP!

Please!

 

[Evo1883]

Estimated that 10% of UK restaurants have closed down now, other hospitality will be in a similar state. I cannot believe I am finding myself hoping against hope that Boris Johnson sticks to his guns

I agree mate

 

[Evo1883]

Hoping to get a vaccine message soon .

I wonder if the next lot will be 37 to 37 and a half because as its getting closer to me the age range gets fucking smaller

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree mate

Saw earlier that Coombe Abbey was only granted a final loan on the assumption that it would be able to get hotel guests in for late May onwards. We push things back further and it'll go to the wall.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The media thrive off negativity

Sophie ridge now talking to Hancock, they are talking numbers like 1200 cases of the Indian variant .

Hancock is saying its more transmissible but the vaccine shows evidence of working effectively against it .

Now putting across spin words like , careful, a race against the strain , hopeful .

It's all very fucking depressing with a touch of logic thrown in

I've had enough of it all now tbh

If the vaccine works, then it works.

Most of the rest is just fearmongering really.

 

[Evo1883]

Saw earlier that Coombe Abbey was only granted a final loan on the assumption that it would be able to get hotel guests in for late May onwards. We push things back further and it'll go to the wall.

That would be a real shame

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hoping to get a vaccine message soon .

I wonder if the next lot will be 37 to 37 and a half because as its getting closer to me the age range gets fucking smaller

Hancock said it'll be 35+ from next week. I hope 30+ is not long after

 

[Evo1883]

Hancock said it'll be 35+ from next week. I hope 30+ is not long after

Il drink it I'm that desperate to fucking get it done

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Il drink it I'm that desperate to fucking get it done

I'm the same

 

[chiefdave]

Can't help but think step 4 will be delayed I'm afraid .

Reading the SAGE reports I think the media are overstating what they are suggesting.

Their issue at the moment is due to the relatively low number of cases with this variant they don't have enough data to accurately look at things like how much of an increase their is in transmission (particularly if the increase in transmission is due to social factors or it actually being more transmissible), what percentage of cases will lead to hospitalisation and the impact of vaccination.

What they are actually suggesting is delaying step for by one or two weeks as they believe they will then have the data needed to make an informed decision.

 

[stupot07]

Sums up O’Brien, he’s a prick....probably mentions brexit somewhere as well ?

There is no doubt if youre being cautious you stop flights from India earlier, I personally would have. However, this is also not binary....we live in country that has a high Indian population. Even now all Heathrow red list hotels are full and they’re moving people to Gatwick hotels. So, basically we would’ve been saying stay in India where everyone’s getting covid and hospitals are overflowing ?

Ps a quote I’ve heard today about a majority of the Bolton hospital Covid inpatients are that they are between 35-65 and ‘have not received a vaccination dose but many are eligible’. WTF are you supposed to do about that ?!

Sorry Steve, but regardless of how nuanced decisions are, we have time and again made decisions too late. India were only 100,000 per day on April 4th, we waiting until the 23rd April days before adding them to the red list. Pakistan and Bangladesh were both added to the red list on the 9th April, both have large populations living in the UK.

At the time India had twice the infection rate of Bangladesh q and nfection rate of Pakistan.


Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

 

[Grendel]

Sorry Steve, but regardless of how nuanced decisions are, we have time and again made decisions too late. India were only 100,000 per day on April 4th, we waiting until the 23rd April days before adding them to the red list. Pakistan and Bangladesh were both added to the red list on the 9th April, both have large populations living in the UK.

At the time India had twice the infection rate of Bangladesh q and nfection rate of Pakistan.


Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

We also did not participate in the failed EU procurement programme and went alone on tbe 12 week gap which has been a game changer.

Those decisions have put us miles ahead of europe and have saved many many lives have they not? And lets be honest if they had banned india flights earlier but the procurement strategy failed along with the 12 week gap youd be slaughtering them

 

[LastGarrison]

Saw earlier that Coombe Abbey was only granted a final loan on the assumption that it would be able to get hotel guests in for late May onwards. We push things back further and it'll go to the wall.

Surely they can have them in from tomorrow?

I’ve got a couple of nights booked in Cardiff for Friday and Saturday.

 

[skybluetony176]

We also did not participate in the failed EU procurement programme and went alone on tbe 12 week gap which has been a game changer.

Those decisions have put us miles ahead of europe and have saved many many lives have they not? And lets be honest if they had banned india flights earlier but the procurement strategy failed along with the 12 week gap youd be slaughtering them

Any views on the tens of thousands that have died from the Tories repeatedly making the same mistakes? Or are deaths only important when it’s an opportunity to bash the EU?

 

[wingy]

Local journalism and a different health professional suggesting a different level of transmission.
Oh and it's still Covid regardless of variant this or that.

"Warning to Nuneaton residents over May 17 re-opening after Indian variant outbreak - CoventryLive" Warning to residents over May 17 re-opening after Indian variant outbreak

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sorry Steve, but regardless of how nuanced decisions are, we have time and again made decisions too late. India were only 100,000 per day on April 4th, we waiting until the 23rd April days before adding them to the red list. Pakistan and Bangladesh were both added to the red list on the 9th April, both have large populations living in the UK.

At the time India had twice the infection rate of Bangladesh q and nfection rate of Pakistan.


Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

Hancock said more testing so Pakistan and Bangladesh more dangerous on 9th April. Sounded like absolute bollox

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Hancock said more testing so Pakistan and Bangladesh more dangerous on 9th April. Sounded like absolute bollox

I think it is bollox mate.

They whole banning flights thing has been something the government have been totally useless at on a consistent basis.

I remember in May/June last year we were still having 10+ flights coming in from China each day. It makes it even more of a mockery that there was no system in place, so those passengers could just freely walk into society. Meanwhile, we were all locked down and unable to go anywhere or do anything.

I know people who have had relatives sod off to Pakistan for 3 months and come back willy nilly too, with no respect for the rules. It is frustrating when chunks of those communities won't take the vaccine either. Bolton being a good example. Also generally anyone that cannot follow basic rules pisses me off. Everyone has to be on the same page.

 

[wingy]

It took one day to close the border to South Africa after their govt announced it's new variant .
There were just 600 hundred detected cases between a day before Christmas and around the 5th of April.

 

[wingy]

Australia hold's to plan to open border in mid 2022.

 

[Grendel]

I think it is bollox mate.

They whole banning flights thing has been something the government have been totally useless at on a consistent basis.

I remember in May/June last year we were still having 10+ flights coming in from China each day. It makes it even more of a mockery that there was no system in place, so those passengers could just freely walk into society. Meanwhile, we were all locked down and unable to go anywhere or do anything.

I know people who have had relatives sod off to Pakistan for 3 months and come back willy nilly too, with no respect for the rules. It is frustrating when chunks of those communities won't take the vaccine either. Bolton being a good example. Also generally anyone that cannot follow basic rules pisses me off. Everyone has to be on the same page.

In some areas of bolton 1 in 4 have refused the vaccine. Individual lock down of communities who refuse to behave responsibly may be an option

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Another strong day for vaccinations takes us past 20 million second jabs, and 36.5 million first.