Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (61 Viewers)

[Grendel]

I really can’t believe there’s many

Bloke who works for me i asked to come back for a couple of days and he was well pissed off as hed planned to go fishing - one of my kids has loved it and now has another job and they are still paying her

 

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[Skybluefaz]

I could quite happily never go to the cinema again if new releases continue to be made available, albeit at a premium price, on streaming services. Its a shit experience with people chatting, messing with phones, munching on snacks etc.

One thing I do hope we'll see as a result of WFH increasing is an increase in coffee shops, cafes, restaurants etc in residential areas. Don't believe people genuinely want to be stuck in their houses 24/7 never seeing anyone. I'd love to be able to walk to a coffee shop or pop out for lunch but there's nothing local enough to walk to. Been reading a bit about the concept of 15 minute cities and if we move towards that I think quality of life for a lot of people would improve.

Nah, I love going to the cinema to watch a movie. At home the temptation is there to get the phone out. Plus the comfort and general experience is brilliant.

 

[Skybluefaz]

That’s what it seems like from the friends I’ve spoken to. One doesn’t even have to take leave anymore, they can just take their laptop with them wherever, do a few hours work and that’s them done. Been told they’ll be like that all year

If they are pulling their weight and getting the job done what is the problem?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If they are pulling their weight and getting the job done what is the problem?

Getting paid lots for frankly doing hardly anything

 

[shmmeee]

Getting paid lots for frankly doing hardly anything

Says the guy who works 39 weeks a year and finishes at 3!

*runs very far, very fast*

 

[SBT]

Of course the media are overplaying it. What planet do you live on?

So the PM comes out and says he’s worried about the new variant and the June 21 reopening could be in question as a result, and you think the media should talk about what? Love Island?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Getting paid lots for frankly doing hardly anything

So if the person isn't pulling their weight then they should be pulled up on it, however if they are doing high value work it is what it is surely? Or is it just jealousy?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Says the guy who works 39 weeks a year and finishes at 3!

*runs very far, very fast*

Hehe, indeed. Where’s my self driving car Mr IT

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So if the person isn't pulling their weight then they should be pulled up on it, however if they are doing high value work it is what it is surely? Or is it just jealousy?

Education being low value work is half the problem with this country.

 

[shmmeee]

Hehe, indeed. Where’s my self driving car Mr IT

In certain bits of Arizona, when the weather is nice.

 

[shmmeee]

 

[CCFCSteve]

This completely sums up Boris during this pandemic.



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Sums up O’Brien, he’s a prick....probably mentions brexit somewhere as well ?

There is no doubt if youre being cautious you stop flights from India earlier, I personally would have. However, this is also not binary....we live in country that has a high Indian population. Even now all Heathrow red list hotels are full and they’re moving people to Gatwick hotels. So, basically we would’ve been saying stay in India where everyone’s getting covid and hospitals are overflowing ?

Ps a quote I’ve heard today about a majority of the Bolton hospital Covid inpatients are that they are between 35-65 and ‘have not received a vaccination dose but many are eligible’. WTF are you supposed to do about that ?!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So the PM comes out and says he’s worried about the new variant and the June 21 reopening could be in question as a result, and you think the media should talk about what? Love Island?

Not the point, and you know it.

The media have obviously played up the crisis at any moment they possibly can. It is in their interests. That's literally what the media does.

If you genuinely believe they haven't then you are even more clueless than I thought.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sums up O’Brien, he’s a prick....probably mentions brexit somewhere as well ?

There is no doubt if youre being cautious you stop flights from India earlier, I personally would have. However, this is also not binary....we live in country that has a high Indian population. Even now all Heathrow red list hotels are full and they’re moving people to Gatwick hotels. So, basically we would’ve been saying stay in India where everyone’s getting covid and hospitals are overflowing ?

Ps a quote I’ve heard today about a majority of the Bolton hospital Covid inpatients are that they are between 35-65 and ‘have not received a vaccination dose but many are eligible’. WTF are you supposed to do about that ?!

Compulsory vaccination

 

[fernandopartridge]

Comments like

‘I’ve learned how to cook so I don’t need a restaurant’

‘I’ve got Netflix and Amazon so I don’t need a cinema’

Do some people really live their lives in an entirely functional way? Going to restaurant is just for sustanence. The cinema is just to view a film.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Some jobs just can’t be WFH though and it irritates me a bit that those having such easy times of lockdown are fine with long established things to do being gone for good.

I've WFH since 13 March 2020, it is being forced upon us until at least October. I'm looking for another job as I fucking hate it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Do some people really live their lives in an entirely functional way? Going to restaurant is just for sustanence. The cinema is just to view a film.

It’s ‘I’m alright Jack’ thinking

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Bloke who works for me i asked to come back for a couple of days and he was well pissed off as hed planned to go fishing - one of my kids has loved it and now has another job and they are still paying her

Well the government are with yours and my money

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I've WFH since 13 March 2020, it is being forced upon us until at least October. I'm looking for another job as I fucking hate it

Of course, and I hated WFH teaching too. The people I'm on about are the ones perennially complaining about being bored and having watched everything on Netflix

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Nah, I love going to the cinema to watch a movie. At home the temptation is there to get the phone out. Plus the comfort and general experience is brilliant.

Trouble with the cinema is other people being tempted to get their phones out.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Trouble with the cinema is other people being tempted to get their phones out.

I don't often notice people doing it at the showcase.

 

[David O'Day]

You have more belief in Boris Johnson than I do then.

 

[skybluetony176]

Learned the sum total of fuck all over the last year. The vaccine rollout is clearly an accidental success.

 

[David O'Day]

Learned the sum total of fuck all over the last year. The vaccine rollout is clearly an accidental success.

Logistically the local NHS not the Government

 

[oakey]

What metrics are scientists using to decide what is totalitarian? Why are scientists being asked and not political theorists?

You can tell by a title that something is going to be proper batshit.

Conducting a fire drill in a Secondary school is pretty totalitarian, if you define it so literally, but there's no other way.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

On Saturday, the British Medical Association (BMA) said it had serious concerns about the decision to continue with the easing of lockdown restrictions.
"It is a real worry that when further measures lift on 17 May, the majority of younger people, who are often highly socially mobile and could therefore be most at risk of a more infectious strain, are not yet vaccinated," said the BMA's Dr Richard Jarvis.
Minutes from a meeting of government scientific advisers, held on Thursday, said that "an even faster increase can be expected if measures are relaxed" in areas where the Indian variant is already spreading.
And if the variant was 40-50% more transmissible than the current dominant type, they warned proceeding to step three of England's roadmap on Monday would likely "lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks)".

I don’t understand!!!!

Hancock saying it’s pretty safe if you’ve had both vaccines but still need to be careful and do social distancing and other measures. Huh?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

On Saturday, the British Medical Association (BMA) said it had serious concerns about the decision to continue with the easing of lockdown restrictions.
"It is a real worry that when further measures lift on 17 May, the majority of younger people, who are often highly socially mobile and could therefore be most at risk of a more infectious strain, are not yet vaccinated," said the BMA's Dr Richard Jarvis.
Minutes from a meeting of government scientific advisers, held on Thursday, said that "an even faster increase can be expected if measures are relaxed" in areas where the Indian variant is already spreading.
And if the variant was 40-50% more transmissible than the current dominant type, they warned proceeding to step three of England's roadmap on Monday would likely "lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks)".

I don’t understand!!!!

Hancock saying it’s pretty safe if you’ve had both vaccines but still need to be careful and do social distancing and other measures. Huh?

I know, it is ridiculous.

Meanwhile...

 

[Grendel]

On Saturday, the British Medical Association (BMA) said it had serious concerns about the decision to continue with the easing of lockdown restrictions.
"It is a real worry that when further measures lift on 17 May, the majority of younger people, who are often highly socially mobile and could therefore be most at risk of a more infectious strain, are not yet vaccinated," said the BMA's Dr Richard Jarvis.
Minutes from a meeting of government scientific advisers, held on Thursday, said that "an even faster increase can be expected if measures are relaxed" in areas where the Indian variant is already spreading.
And if the variant was 40-50% more transmissible than the current dominant type, they warned proceeding to step three of England's roadmap on Monday would likely "lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks)".

I don’t understand!!!!

Hancock saying it’s pretty safe if you’ve had both vaccines but still need to be careful and do social distancing and other measures. Huh?

A lot of the cases are in tne north west and vaccine uptake is much lower in some of those areas it seems

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On Saturday, the British Medical Association (BMA) said it had serious concerns about the decision to continue with the easing of lockdown restrictions.
"It is a real worry that when further measures lift on 17 May, the majority of younger people, who are often highly socially mobile and could therefore be most at risk of a more infectious strain, are not yet vaccinated," said the BMA's Dr Richard Jarvis.
Minutes from a meeting of government scientific advisers, held on Thursday, said that "an even faster increase can be expected if measures are relaxed" in areas where the Indian variant is already spreading.
And if the variant was 40-50% more transmissible than the current dominant type, they warned proceeding to step three of England's roadmap on Monday would likely "lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks)".

I don’t understand!!!!

Hancock saying it’s pretty safe if you’ve had both vaccines but still need to be careful and do social distancing and other measures. Huh?

The data clearly show that the under 50s tend to get infected the most but the vast majority of hospitalisations and death is in the over 50s.

 

[PVA]

All the Tories I know will say one of two things whenever anything inconvenient is brought up

‘He’s doing his best’

‘Corbyn would have been worse’

Or my favourite so far, ‘Corbyn would have given all our doses to poor countries’

Yep.

'doing his best' is what you say to a 6 year old child in the egg and spoon race, it's not what you should be saying about the leader of the country during a pandemic.

The handling has been so catastrophic that if this is his best, then he clearly isn't fit to be Prime Minister. If he isn't doing best, then why the fuck not. Either way he has the blood of thousands on his hands through gross incompetence (not that he cares).

 

[CCFCSteve]

On Saturday, the British Medical Association (BMA) said it had serious concerns about the decision to continue with the easing of lockdown restrictions.
"It is a real worry that when further measures lift on 17 May, the majority of younger people, who are often highly socially mobile and could therefore be most at risk of a more infectious strain, are not yet vaccinated," said the BMA's Dr Richard Jarvis.
Minutes from a meeting of government scientific advisers, held on Thursday, said that "an even faster increase can be expected if measures are relaxed" in areas where the Indian variant is already spreading.
And if the variant was 40-50% more transmissible than the current dominant type, they warned proceeding to step three of England's roadmap on Monday would likely "lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks)".

I don’t understand!!!!

Hancock saying it’s pretty safe if you’ve had both vaccines but still need to be careful and do social distancing and other measures. Huh?

Basically nobody knows yet...how much more transmissible the variant is and whether vaccinations will help break the chain of transmission and/or hospitalisations etc

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yep.

'doing his best' is what you say to a 6 year old child in the egg and spoon race, it's not what you should be saying about the leader of the country during a pandemic.

The handling has been so catastrophic that if this is his best, then he clearly isn't fit to be Prime Minister. If he isn't doing best, then why the fuck not. Either way he has the blood of thousands on his hands through gross incompetence (not that he cares).

The vaccine rollout has gone well specifically because he’s had barely anything to do with it. No doubt the inquiry next year will be just one line: ‘he did his best, and Corbyn would have been worse’

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Basically nobody knows yet...how much more transmissible the variant is and whether vaccinations will help break the chain of transmission and/or hospitalisations etc

With large mixed households these are the ideal conditions to spread it around. Even vanilla COVID would have surged when reintroduced into them

 

[CCFCSteve]

The vaccine rollout has gone well specifically because he’s had barely anything to do with it. No doubt the inquiry next year will be just one line: ‘he did his best, and Corbyn would have been worse’

Hmmmmm, I don’t accept the vaccine roll out has little to do with the government. Nor do most fair minded people in the population.

Funding the development of Oxford vaccine and ensuring it was delivered through AZ at not for profit (not just good for us but rest of the world). Also ensuring contract gave us first access to U.K. ‘manufactured’ vaccines. Also funding supply chain in U.K. and partially in EU

Procurement - the main part (if you don’t have the vaccines you can’t do the roll out). Securing variety of vaccines quickly. Government led when many wanted us to join the EU procurement scheme, refusing to do this was, on reflection, a masterstroke

Decision to follow JVCI/PHE guidance and extend gap between doses - could’ve taken safe option and followed the world. Not only did this ensure more people got partially protected quickly but by all accounts the greater gap has provided better immunity.

Decision to follow JVCI/PHE guidance and stick to older age categories/high risk first (many wanted this changed to younger, healthier front line workers - hard to argue on the face of it but would’ve left higher risk people exposed for longer)

The roll out/delivery has been a combination of NHS/army (logistical planning) and volunteers so agreed limited direct government involvement...however much we all wanted Hancock to be running around administering vaccines !!

There have been plenty of government fuck ups but you’ve got to give credit where it’s due. people trying to down play the involvement and importance of some of the above decisions just weaken the strength of valid arguments elsewhere

My question to all is that if the vaccine roll out had gone poorly, would you be arguing that it’s not the governments fault because they didn’t have anything to do with it ?!

Ps apologies for the Sunday essay !

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hmmmmm, I don’t accept the vaccine roll out has little to do with the government. Nor do most fair minded people in the population.

Funding the development of Oxford vaccine and ensuring it was delivered through AZ at not for profit (not just good for us but rest of the world). Also ensuring contract gave us first access to U.K. ‘manufactured’ vaccines. Also funding supply chain in U.K. and partially in EU

Procurement - the main part (if you don’t have the vaccines you can’t do the roll out). Securing variety of vaccines quickly. Government led when many wanted us to join the EU procurement scheme, refusing to do this was, on reflection, a masterstroke

Decision to follow JVCI/PHE guidance and extend gap between doses - could’ve taken safe option and followed the world. Not only did this ensure more people got partially protected quickly but by all accounts the greater gap has provided better immunity.

Decision to follow JVCI/PHE guidance and stick to older age categories/high risk first (many wanted this changed to younger, healthier front line workers - hard to argue on the face of it but would’ve left higher risk people exposed for longer)

The roll out/delivery has been a combination of NHS/army (logistical planning) and volunteers so agreed limited direct government involvement...however much we all wanted Hancock to be running around administering vaccines !!

There have been plenty of government fuck ups but you’ve got to give credit where it’s due. people trying to down play the involvement and importance of some of the above decisions just weaken the strength of valid arguments elsewhere

My question to all is that if the vaccine roll out had gone poorly, would you be arguing that it’s not the governments fault because they didn’t have anything to do with it ?!

Procurement is where the government involvement stopped. I credit scientists, not politicians, with developing it and putting in the hard work to get it to market. After that point full credit should go to the JCVI and NHS for the strategy going into 2021 and physically implementing all the jabs.

Credit for doing as they were told is laughable