Not having a go Nick, well I am a bit.
You gone from string people up that go to supermarkets to let’s live with it and we’ve had the pleasure of reading you go on about both for months at a time. Let it play out. Go for a pint or something.
If the data says no to opening up more.
Oh, I must have thought there's surge testing because of a variant going on in areas?
It will drag on and on until "Flu Season" and then every man and his dog will be dying of COVID again.
Nope, before it was pointing out that I am stuck in my house not able to go to the gym or see my mates but people would stand about in Tesco breathing over each other or fighting over pasta.
I will be having pints tomorrow and at the weekend
Don’t take your phone
To be fair I don't come on here when in the pub. Shock I know.
I did for a bit but haven’t for ages.
Good! There are better things to look at on your phone when in the pub.
Isn't it all just maths? Summat like roughly 5% of the cases are being hospitalised. If the current trajectory holds then we will be headed for hospitals being overwhelmed again, then people won't be getting the cancer treatment etc that they need not to mention the NHS staff being pushed to the limits again. My 5% figure may well be off, I'm working off memory. Everyone wants to see the back of this shit now. It will be demoralising if June 21st restriction lifting don't happen. Johnson won't want to push it back because it is similar to the Xmas thing. He wants to be the hero. We all remember what happened after that delay.
Thanks Shmmeee, I really like stuff like this (it’s the hidden geek in me) and agree that the modelling and whole lockdown, protecting high risk etc etc approach should’ve been far more innovative and considered more factors (rather than one size fits all). I’m not quite sure (it’s not clear from a quick scan) but if he’s suggesting that we should’ve focussed on vaccinating younger people to stop the spread, he’s forgetting one vital point. At the start of roll out they didn’t know whether the vaccines would stop transmission (and even if so, by how much). We still don’t really know. If we found that subsequently the virus (or a new variant) was still transmissible post vaccination and we hadn’t vaccinated those most at risk, it would’ve been carnage. That’s not taking into consideration potential lower vaccine take up by younger groups in early stages (providing to not be the case now but who knows earlier in the year)
At least we now have a chance that even if case numbers increase those most at risk will nearly all have been double jabbed so a significant majority should be protected from severe illness.
ps I would’ve liked to have seen the modellers assumptions clearly publisised along with any models released to the media
The hospitals have got horrendous waiting lists, they are very much overloaded. I suggest you watch Hospital on BBC 2 which shows you the issues caused by covid at even low levelsYep, looks like they are surge testing areas
Covid: Which areas are being surge tested for variants?
People who live, work or travel in various parts of the UK are being urged to get a Covid test.www.bbc.com
Common sense really that cases are going to go up if they are targeting areas.
Again, numbers are easy to be manipulated.
We just need to learn to deal with it, the hospitals are hardly overloaded are they?
Every model paper I’ve read has been very clear about the assumptions, that’s basic modelling. I had this with ESB on the lockdown easing models. I think the bigger issue is the media is (and always has been) terrible at science reporting.
An addendum to that thread:
The hospitals have got horrendous waiting lists, they are very much overloaded. I suggest you watch Hospital on BBC 2 which shows you the issues caused by covid at even low levels
Obsession with covid? You mean treating people with severe acute respiratory illness?That's because the obsession has been with COVID and everything else pretty much on the back burner so now playing catch up. There are always going to be waiting lists, there has been for as long as I can remember.
Maybe if they had got some of the GPs doing their jobs efficiently they could take some of the load?
That's because the obsession has been with COVID and everything else pretty much on the back burner so now playing catch up. There are always going to be waiting lists, there has been for as long as I can remember.
Maybe if they had got some of the GPs doing their jobs efficiently they could take some of the load?
Interesting read
Random lockdown sceptic with no relevant experience in a pandemic related field says don’t have lockdown. Sounds legit.
Random lockdown sceptic with no relevant experience in a pandemic related field says don’t have lockdown. Sounds legit.
This is why you have modelling. June 21st was based on the Alpha variant which at the time was the dominant strain in the UK. It shows how much we expect cases to increase when things open up and given the predicted vaccination levels it was deemed safe to target June 21st.Why the worry though? It was to be expected.
That's because the obsession has been with COVID and everything else pretty much on the back burner so now playing catch up. There are always going to be waiting lists, there has been for as long as I can remember.
Maybe if they had got some of the GPs doing their jobs efficiently they could take some of the load?
Obsession with covid? You mean treating people with severe acute respiratory illness?
It's about time we got answers from the real villains of this pandemic uhhhh......[checks notes] doctors.
Who to blame for the spread of the Delta variant and the delay to easing restrictions?
I'm not sure what point you're making now, the reason hospitals "ignore" cancer is because there are thousands of people coming in struggling to breathe with covid. You are suggesting that it isn't a problem.While other people with things such as cancer got ignored?
Built massive hospitals for COVID that didn't get used.
Of course, by saying this it isn't saying it is nothing to do with cuts to the NHS and the govt. Of course it is, also how everything was COVID, COVID, COVID.
If we stay in lockdown until the backlog is cleared it's going to be a good few years, probably not even my lifetime.
I'm not sure what point you're making now, the reason hospitals "ignore" cancer is because there are thousands of people coming in struggling to breathe with covid. You are suggesting that it isn't a problem.
I've found the standard of GPs has dropped massively in recent years. No idea if its related to workload or changes in pay & conditions but its nothing like it used to be.Where did I say that?
I said if they took more of the load....
I spoke to my GP during it, without them even listening
"it sounds like COVID, you should get a test"
"it isn't COVID"
"it really sounds like it, when did you last get tested"
"I got my results this morning, it's negative"
"Oh, well see how you feel next week"
Cheers then, it took me an hour on hold to get this call chief.
Of course it is a problem, it is not the ONLY problem though.
Where did I say that?
I said if they took more of the load....
I spoke to my GP during it, without them even listening
"it sounds like COVID, you should get a test"
"it isn't COVID"
"it really sounds like it, when did you last get tested"
"I got my results this morning, it's negative"
"Oh, well see how you feel next week"
Cheers then, it took me an hour on hold to get this call chief.
I'm sorry, I sincerely do hope that whatever you had got sorted, and I'm assuming you were OK in the end. But I do find the idea of you spending an hour on the phone with the NHS during a pandemic to ask about your Covid-like symptoms when you already know it's not Covid, and then complaining that doctors don't have enough on their plate, to be weirdly funny.
Completely agree with this. Its virtually impossible to get an appointment outside work hours these days. Put more resources into GPs and local medical centres. With improvements in medicine there's a lot more treatment that you should be able to perform locally rather than directing everyone to hospital. Leave that for the major things.My point was if GPs were more effective as a first point of contact then less people would rock up to hospital with smaller issues. My only other option at the time was a walk in at the hospital, I gave it a swerve as it isn't going to kill me.
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