Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Yep I think that’s absolutely fair and I feel levelled with on that. If there’s

100 deaths a week that’s 5200 a year
200 is 10400

Absolutely in line with seasonal flu and a bad year of flu.

It’s where I think Nick and Grendel and others similar are helping me to come to terms with the reality of the risk.

As a country this really hasn’t helped us at all with managing risk

Sage are working on an assumption of 20,000 in bad winters

 

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[chiefdave]

Yep I think that’s absolutely fair and I feel levelled with on that. If there’s

100 deaths a week that’s 5200 a year
200 is 10400

Absolutely in line with seasonal flu and a bad year of flu.

It’s where I think Nick and Grendel and others similar are helping me to come to terms with the reality of the risk.

As a country this really hasn’t helped us at all with managing risk

Unfortunately its 100 - 200 a day not a week. That makes the figures 36.5K - 73K a year.

Government advisers expect about 1,000 to 2,000 daily hospital admissions over the summer as restrictions are lifted, and 100-200 deaths a day under what was described a “central scenario”.

By comparison flu seems to average about 17K but has been below 2K some years and close to going over 30K other years. And of course that's a level of flu cases that means every winter the NHS goes into meltdown and has ambulances queuing up outside hospitals, something that for some reason now just seems to be accepted as inevitable.

Completely agree there is a point where we have to live with it but not sure comparing it to flu is helpful given the numbers being suggested. Just give us information that stands up to scrutiny. What number of deaths annually are we looking to get down to and how has that figure been arrived at, what is being done to ensure the NHS can cope with the additional associated hospitalisations and what is being put in place long term to minimise transmission.

 

[Grendel]

Unfortunately its 100 - 200 a day not a week. That makes the figures 36.5K - 73K a year.

By comparison flu seems to average about 17K but has been below 2K some years and close to going over 30K other years. And of course that's a level of flu cases that means every winter the NHS goes into meltdown and has ambulances queuing up outside hospitals, something that for some reason now just seems to be accepted as inevitable.

Completely agree there is a point where we have to live with it but not sure comparing it to flu is helpful given the numbers being suggested. Just give us information that stands up to scrutiny. What number of deaths annually are we looking to get down to and how has that figure been arrived at, what is being done to ensure the NHS can cope with the additional associated hospitalisations and what is being put in place long term to minimise transmission.

You have to compare to flu and also there will be substitution of deaths in some cases so one respiratory illness will dominate above another. More died in June from flu than COVID didn’t they?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Unfortunately its 100 - 200 a day not a week. That makes the figures 36.5K - 73K a year.

By comparison flu seems to average about 17K but has been below 2K some years and close to going over 30K other years. And of course that's a level of flu cases that means every winter the NHS goes into meltdown and has ambulances queuing up outside hospitals, something that for some reason now just seems to be accepted as inevitable.

Completely agree there is a point where we have to live with it but not sure comparing it to flu is helpful given the numbers being suggested. Just give us information that stands up to scrutiny. What number of deaths annually are we looking to get down to and how has that figure been arrived at, what is being done to ensure the NHS can cope with the additional associated hospitalisations and what is being put in place long term to minimise transmission.

The numbers are up in the air given that these figures find it hard to take account of the booster programme which is more directed at variants than the current rollout which is using jabs directed at vanilla Covid. We will not have 100-200 a day all year round, of that much I am confident.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

People forget we had over 20,000 flu deaths a few years ago. However for flu the variants are harder to predict and we have a huge infrastructure behind sequencing and targeting probable COVID variants which should give a great degree of confidence

But we're putting a lot of resources (financial, technical and human) into keeping track of Covid and I can't see that being feasible longer term as it takes it away from other areas. We only know which variants are spreading because they're spreading rather than we identified them beofre they did so which is what we do with flu. We're then testing the vaccine on those variants and hoping they're effective against it (which, touch wood, so far they largely have been). It's a more reactive than proactive process.

As time goes on and we get more research done I'm sure we'll be able to predict with greater accuracy just as we do with flu but right now we're still playing catch up and learning.

 

[wingy]

But we're putting a lot of resources (financial, technical and human) into keeping track of Covid and I can't see that being feasible longer term as it takes it away from other areas. We only know which variants are spreading because they're spreading rather than we identified them beofre they did so which is what we do with flu. We're then testing the vaccine on those variants and hoping they're effective against it (which, touch wood, so far they largely have been). It's a more reactive than proactive process.

As time goes on and we get more research done I'm sure we'll be able to predict with greater accuracy just as we do with flu but right now we're still playing catch up and learning.

All that and hopefully a simple inhale through the nose protection to use each morning while brushing your teeth.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

All that and hopefully a simple inhale through the nose protection to use each morning while brushing your teeth.

Or taken through rolled up twenty pound notes in a nightclub?

At some stage we'll get antivirals, and at some stage we'll get a less aggressive mutation. Yep, absolutely, we'll have to treat it like flu, live with it etc. Whether the time of Javid saying it is for political reasons? Well...

(Wales keeping masks compulsory in certain public settings, btw)

 

[chiefdave]

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But we're putting a lot of resources (financial, technical and human) into keeping track of Covid and I can't see that being feasible longer term as it takes it away from other areas. We only know which variants are spreading because they're spreading rather than we identified them beofre they did so which is what we do with flu. We're then testing the vaccine on those variants and hoping they're effective against it (which, touch wood, so far they largely have been). It's a more reactive than proactive process.

As time goes on and we get more research done I'm sure we'll be able to predict with greater accuracy just as we do with flu but right now we're still playing catch up and learning.

Globally the need to track and monitor variants remains a top priority and flu very much remains something of an educated guess. We pick up new variants quickly as a look at the WHO list will tell you, the fine tuning needs to come in identifying which we should worry about which is hard to do until the data rolls in. Thankfully we do have a better idea of which mutations are likely to matter

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Unfortunately its 100 - 200 a day not a week. That makes the figures 36.5K - 73K a year.

By comparison flu seems to average about 17K but has been below 2K some years and close to going over 30K other years. And of course that's a level of flu cases that means every winter the NHS goes into meltdown and has ambulances queuing up outside hospitals, something that for some reason now just seems to be accepted as inevitable.

Completely agree there is a point where we have to live with it but not sure comparing it to flu is helpful given the numbers being suggested. Just give us information that stands up to scrutiny. What number of deaths annually are we looking to get down to and how has that figure been arrived at, what is being done to ensure the NHS can cope with the additional associated hospitalisations and what is being put in place long term to minimise transmission.

Oops you are absolutely right

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My friend is one of the senior managers in there

 

[COV]

My friend is one of the senior managers in there

The Department of Health?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The Department of Health?

No at the new site in leamington, the strategy and engagement director / lead

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

My friend is one of the senior managers in there

Uber?





Sorry, just trying to lighten this place up a bit.

 

[David O'Day]

My friend is one of the senior managers in there

Hopefully they've got enough staff

Still get begging emails crying out for qualified staff for that place.

 

[COV]

Anti-vaccine lady tweets that the covid vaccine is not safe… then dies of covid

So so so stupid

Olivia Guidry: Louisiana nurse who tweeted against vaccine dies of Covid-19

Olivia Guidry worked in the emergency room at Ochsner Lafayette General Medical Center and had tweeted Covid vaccine isn't safe

www.google.ie

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What’s happened in Spain? 50 deaths today crept up. Hope we don’t have to go back to more restrictions. Still seems daft to remove the mandate on masks and distancing when infections are high

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What’s happened in Spain? 50 deaths today crept up. Hope we don’t have to go back to more restrictions. Still seems daft to remove the mandate on masks and distancing when infections are high

The idea is clearly to let infections get high now rather than later, which I can understand

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The idea is clearly to let infections get high now rather than later, which I can understand

Me too but risky when they are talking about 2.5m infections a month. That’s a lot of long Covid. Allegedly 1m sufferers already

 

[wingy]

The idea is clearly to let infections get high now rather than later, which I can understand

Then what, achieve herd immunity,it plateaus out?

 

[Saddlebrains]

Me too but risky when they are talking about 2.5m infections a month. That’s a lot of long Covid. Allegedly 1m sufferers already

You mean post viral fatigue? Thats been around for years?


Its just been given a different name

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You mean post viral fatigue? Thats been around for years?


Its just been given a different name

Watch panorama and talk to people who’ve got it. If it’s important for you to feel you know more than medical professionals then fill your boots

 

[Saddlebrains]

Watch panorama and talk to people who’ve got it. If it’s important for you to feel you know more than medical professionals then fill your boots

All you're ever doing on here is poo pooing anything positive. On the football forum you're very knowledgable and informative, on here I've never seen a man so scared of anything.

 

[Sick Boy]

All you're ever doing on here is poo pooing anything positive. On the football forum you're very knowledgable and informative, on here I've never seen a man so scared of anything.

No need for that. He’s expressing his concerns that are not without merit.

 

[Tommo1993]

Morale totally destroyed!…by poo poo!

 

[Saddlebrains]

No need for that. He’s expressing his concerns that are not without merit.

Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.

 

[skybluetony176]

What’s happened in Spain? 50 deaths today crept up. Hope we don’t have to go back to more restrictions. Still seems daft to remove the mandate on masks and distancing when infections are high

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.

Top of this page is pretty balanced from me I think about Nick and Grendel being helpful talking about getting back to normal

I’m not scared one bit of dying of Covid as the risk to me is tiny and I’m pretty sensible and aware what’s risky and what’s not in terms of masks and indoor activity. I’m also pretty fit and exercise to keep my weight down

I am fearful that if we don’t learn lessons we will keep repeating mistakes. We can open the things up we need to without throwing everything out like masks and distancing

Sorry to bring you down with my own negativity. I prefer balanced but I can take it on the chin if that’s how you feel

 

[COV]

All you're ever doing on here is poo pooing anything positive. On the football forum you're very knowledgable and informative, on here I've never seen a man so scared of anything.

You poo poo everything full stop to be honest, and how you think you have the right to slag off anyone who is worried about coronavirus is weird

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Top of this page is pretty balanced from me I think about Nick and Grendel being helpful talking about getting back to normal

I’m not scared one bit of dying of Covid as the risk to me is tiny and I’m pretty sensible and aware what’s risky and what’s not in terms of masks and indoor activity. I’m also pretty fit and exercise to keep my weight down

I am fearful that if we don’t learn lessons we will keep repeating mistakes. We can open the things up we need to without throwing everything out like masks and distancing

Sorry to bring you down with my own negativity. I prefer balanced but I can take it on the chin if that’s how you feel

Oh and the panorama programme even touches on that explaining that all viruses can leave semi permanent issues and expects most people to return to normal within 2-3 years

 

[COV]

Expressing concerns is fine. But i cant remember one time on this thread hes met anything with positivity.

Maybe we should organise an open top bus parade to celebrate all the positive aspects that have happened thanks to the coronavirus

 

[Saddlebrains]

Top of this page is pretty balanced from me I think about Nick and Grendel being helpful talking about getting back to normal

I’m not scared one bit of dying of Covid as the risk to me is tiny and I’m pretty sensible and aware what’s risky and what’s not in terms of masks and indoor activity. I’m also pretty fit and exercise to keep my weight down

I am fearful that if we don’t learn lessons we will keep repeating mistakes. We can open the things up we need to without throwing everything out like masks and distancing

Sorry to bring you down with my own negativity. I prefer balanced but I can take it on the chin if that’s how you feel

Apologies if I've offended i didnt intend too. And in regards too the learning lessons i agree with you completely. I just feel the long covid etc is unfortunately something we will have to put up with if we want any semblance of life going back to the good old days of 2019.

Unfortunately there will be loads more cases but my hope is that eventually this is going to run out of people to infect. The amount of people vaccinated, the amount with antibodies etc. Cant see how its going to keep going as it is

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Maybe we should organise an open top bus parade to celebrate all the positive aspects of the coronavirus

The vaccination programme is absolutely brilliant
The link between infection and serious illness, hospitalisation and death is absolutely brilliant
The delta variant is very scary
The number of infections is very scary

Both of those issues mean that the vaccination and all the successes of that can be put at risk if we aren’t sensible in opening things up

Opening up now is better than autumn and winter for the reasons mr Whitty has explained but even he doesn’t think masks and social distancing should stop

You know the issue is the higher number of infections means a more dangerous variant is more likely

Is that more positive and balanced?

Also I think if the numbers of deaths have to be 10-15000 a year then level with us and help us limit that figure

That’s public health management and is reasonable proportionate and allows cautious optimism that we can all get back to football and not have to say bye to too many of our elderly relatives sooner than we would have

 

[Saddlebrains]

You poo poo everything full stop to be honest, and how you think you have the right to slag off anyone who is worried about coronavirus is weird

Wasnt slagging off was i bucket hat?

Agree on the poo pooing everything else, I'm a generally miserable c**t. Just want normality to return

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Apologies if I've offended i didnt intend too. And in regards too the learning lessons i agree with you completely. I just feel the long covid etc is unfortunately something we will have to put up with if we want any semblance of life going back to the good old days of 2019.

Unfortunately there will be loads more cases but my hope is that eventually this is going to run out of people to infect. The amount of people vaccinated, the amount with antibodies etc. Cant see how its going to keep going as it is

Agreed. You didn’t offend me I’m happy we should express ourselves genuinely and open ourselves up to other opinions even when we disagree with them. Cheers mister