Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (345 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Holland reintroducing some restrictions after lifting lockdown and cases doubling in two weeks.
Hasn't had an impacton hospitalisations but they reckon if its going they'll start seeing the impact next week. Fingers crossed there is no impact

 

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[COV]

Holland reintroducing some restrictions after lifting lockdown and cases doubling in two weeks.
Hasn't had an impacton hospitalisations but they reckon if its going they'll start seeing the impact next week. Fingers crossed there is no impact

I don’t think we will, it’s herd immunity without saying it. That will work, but it is going to cost lives. Not for me to say whether it’s right or wrong but that’s how it will pan out- I think it would take a horrendous spike now for there to be more restrictions to come back in, can’t see it.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Death Chart Guy has been watching the footy.

 

[robbiekeane]

So it really is a free for all then as everyone will use the worst case scenario to justify their selfish behaviour towards others. Lots of people get pissed up and act like pricks doesn’t mean the rest of us should. At least Boris was honest. Freedom day will be

100000 infections a day
100 deaths
1000 hospitalisations
1250 long Covid cases

And that’s ok even though by keeping social distancing and masks we could reduce some of this we should just say fuck it what’s the point

Japan cancelling spectators at olympics
Israel making masks compulsory indoors

We are the only country with exponentially increasing infection rates with a highly transmissible variant saying no more, do what you think is best all will be ok

Wow

deaths have hardly increased. The vaccines have broken the link between cases and deaths. It’s time to get on with life.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

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deaths have hardly increased. The vaccines have broken the link between cases and deaths. It’s time to get on with life.
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Ok

 

[Sick Boy]

One of my relatives died of COVID at a relatively young age so again you make sweeping assumptions about me.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Grendel]

Sorry to hear that.

I didn’t know him that well - but occasionally kept in touch - went in the first wave.

The vaccine has the effect at least I think of keeping the virus at bay as a fatal illness for most.

So now although some get the virus it may be unpleasant but not life threatening

 

[Nick]

The thing is, how many people are obsessing over how many people have died from other things every day? If it's COVID it's rammed in your face every day.

 

[hill83]

The thing is, how many people are obsessing over how many people have died from other things every day? If it's COVID it's rammed in your face every day.

Can’t think why. Anyone got any ideas?

It’ll die off from the news eventually anyway. It was about deaths, now it’s about cases as the link looks broken. Then we can get back to articles about tits.

 

[robbiekeane]

Ok

Has it not?

 

[Evo1883]

Fuck it , we've booked for Cyprus next July, here's hoping

 

[Saddlebrains]

All this 'Long Covid'

It existed before. Its called Post Viral Fatigue syndrome. Its been recognised for decades.

Put the word covid in it though and thats different isnt it

 

[COV]

All this 'Long Covid'

It existed before. Its called Post Viral Fatigue syndrome. Its been recognised for decades.

Put the word covid in it though and thats different isnt it

the whole thing is a hoax m8

 

[Saddlebrains]

the whole thing is a hoax m8

I wouldn't got that far fucking hell

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Has it not?

Not completely no and risking it with 2.8m cases a month seems a bizarre choice

 

[TomRad85]

Fuck it , we've booked for Cyprus next July, here's hoping

Visiting the old barracks hey mate?

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[Nick]

Can’t think why. Anyone got any ideas?

It’ll die off from the news eventually anyway. It was about deaths, now it’s about cases as the link looks broken. Then we can get back to articles about tits.

Because it's in the media and rammed down people's throats.

People refreshing to get the latest numbers and charts and stuff. It's no good for people.

 

[chiefdave]

In news that will surprise nobody it seems 'freedom day' is quickly turning into a shambles.

The Times are reporting that the vaccine / negative test passports that have proven effective at test events will be dropped as planned on July 19th but then reintroduced 6 - 10 weeks later. Can someone explain to me why we've tested a system, shown it works and now plan to drop it only to bring it back again in a few weeks?

Meanwhile The Guardian reports Whitehall sources saying "that ministers had been spooked by internal polling" with one poll showing only 10% of the public support the removal of all restrictions and a second poll showing people believed the government was moving too quickly.

Problem now is that Johnson won't backtrack, not because he's 'following the science' or because of polling but because it “would be political suicide”.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

In news that will surprise nobody it seems 'freedom day' is quickly turning into a shambles.

The Times are reporting that the vaccine / negative test passports that have proven effective at test events will be dropped as planned on July 19th but then reintroduced 6 - 10 weeks later. Can someone explain to me why we've tested a system, shown it works and now plan to drop it only to bring it back again in a few weeks?

Meanwhile The Guardian reports Whitehall sources saying "that ministers had been spooked by internal polling" with one poll showing only 10% of the public support the removal of all restrictions and a second poll showing people believed the government was moving too quickly.

Problem now is that Johnson won't backtrack, not because he's 'following the science' or because of polling but because it “would be political suicide”.

Not sure why it would be political suicide if their polling says only 10% of public support it. Usually you can see him doing stuff that is popular. Of course he'd piss off the nutjobs in and around the party and there's clearly a few around the place after his job (and with Cummings out for revenge a potential goldmine of info to tap into).

I reckon he's waiting for the football to slip it in (no, not like that...actually on second thoughts he probably is) and 'bury bad news'. People might be annoyed but he'd hope the euphoria if we won would allow him to get away with it. He seems to have that gift of luck.

As for dropping the passports to bring them in again later, fuck knows what the thinking is and it makes no sense. Then you remember it's this government and you realise of course that's exactly the kind of thing they'd do.

 

[robbiekeane]

Meanwhile The Guardian reports Whitehall sources saying "that ministers had been spooked by internal polling" with one poll showing only 10% of the public support the removal of all restrictions and a second poll showing people believed the government was moving too quickly.

Where do these polls even come from. I don’t think I’ve ever participated in a poll in my life apart from SBT

 

[robbiekeane]

Not completely no and risking it with 2.8m cases a month seems a bizarre choice

But we’re always going to have high cases at some point? There’s no avoiding it, we just need to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed and people from dying. That seems to be the case now

It’s a contagious virus and we have people mixing with each other. There’s no getting away from it is there, unless we have constant lockdowns forever? The vulnerable have been vaccinated and the deaths are now much much much lower than they were at other times when the cases were at this level.

Time to get on with life now isn’t it and learn to live with it

 

[COV]

Where do these polls even come from. I don’t think I’ve ever participated in a poll in my life apart from SBT

I have wondered that too. Everyone fears the mysterious polls.

 

[Grendel]

Where do these polls even come from. I don’t think I’ve ever participated in a poll in my life apart from SBT

One poll said a large percentage wanted a 10 pm curfew even after Covid no longer was a threat

 

[COV]

One poll said a large percentage wanted a 10 pm curfew even after Covid no longer was a threat

If you’re referring to that Economist poll then it was 18% that wanted a permanent 10pm curfew. More than you’d expect but certainly not “large”.

Sample size was 1,025 which is about 0.00002% of the population.

So basically your comment backs up why you can’t really use these polls to draw any serious conclusions.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

One poll said a large percentage wanted a 10 pm curfew even after Covid no longer was a threat

There are a lot of people who'd like that kind of thing regardless of Covid - keep the youth under control and all that.

Covid isn't necessarily the motivating cause, more what to hang a hat on in that instance.

(And 20% wasn't significant numbers for certain arguments...)

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But we’re always going to have high cases at some point? There’s no avoiding it, we just need to stop the hospitals being overwhelmed and people from dying. That seems to be the case now

It’s a contagious virus and we have people mixing with each other. There’s no getting away from it is there, unless we have constant lockdowns forever? The vulnerable have been vaccinated and the deaths are now much much much lower than they were at other times when the cases were at this level.

Time to get on with life now isn’t it and learn to live with it

As ever on here however, it's being painted as black and white (not from you tbf). Now, the Chief Medical Officer days most restrictions should end... so I'll go with that. He also gave a very precise explanation over where he'd wear a mask, and none of that was overly radical, but we're not mandating that.

Now, none of what he said ref: masks stops people getting on with life really. I don't see why there would be any push back on that as it's not a huge imposition, and not a massive chore either. Now, in an ideal world you wouldn't have to mandate for common courtesy but... this is not an ideal world.

So, isn't it possible to heed the Chief Medical Officer in all respects and still be able to get on with life, without cherry picking, as government seem to have done?

(I really don't fancy getting on with life on packed commuter trains anyway, Covid or no, so don't quite get the desire for those elements anyway!)

 

[Nick]

Don't get trains then????

You don't have to cram into places.

 

[Grendel]

If you’re referring to that Economist poll then it was 18% that wanted a permanent 10pm curfew. More than you’d expect but certainly not “large”.

Sample size was 1,025 which is about 0.00002% of the population.

So basically your comment backs up why you can’t really use these polls to draw any serious conclusions.

that’s one in 5 and I poll of 1,000 is enough to have some reflection on a result

 

[Grendel]

It seems there is now a push to vaccinate second doses for over 40’s much quicker - within 4 weeks of dose 1

I suspect we are reaching the limit of those who are prepared to have a first dose so that seems sensible

 

[Sick Boy]

It seems there is now a push to vaccinate second doses for over 40’s much quicker - within 4 weeks of dose 1

I suspect we are reaching the limit of those who are prepared to have a first dose so that seems sensible

There’s something similar here with over 40s having priority over under 39s. They can get appointments within days rather than a couple of weeks and 2nd doses within 4 vs 5 weeks.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How a mature democracy deals with this issue

Australia: New South Wales confirms first Covid-related death in 10 months

A woman in her 90s died in Sydney, as state officials warn of a surge in new infections.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Grendel]

How a mature democracy deals with this issue

Australia: New South Wales confirms first Covid-related death in 10 months

A woman in her 90s died in Sydney, as state officials warn of a surge in new infections.

www.bbc.co.uk

So basically every country in Europe is immature - sensible post - also how has a Delta variant arrived in a country which has had enormously stringent rules so much so that even the Wimbledon champion is banned from going home to celebrate with her family?

 

[Grendel]

Not for me thanks

Australia: Harsh Police Response During Covid-19

(Sydney) – Victoria’s police have used harsh measures during the Australian state’s Covid-19 lockdown that threaten basic rights.

www.hrw.org

 

[chiefdave]

Nadhim Zahawi doing the rounds and not doing much to make me believe removing all restrictions is the right thing to do.

If as he says people are 'expected to wear masks in indoor enclosed places' why remove the requirement?

Was also so desperate to not say Johnson lied in parliament that he insisted severing the link between cases and hospitalisations is the same thing as weakening it. To prove this point he said 'at the current infection rate if this was without the vaccination program we would have 500-600 people being admitted to hospital a day'. Latest figure for daily admissions is 563.

But at least they've come up with a good plan to prevent the staffing crisis in the NHS getting any worse. No self isolation if they've got PPE. Sure spreading covid round hospitals will greatly improve things.

There was also a suggestion from Sir David Spiegelhalter that if Javid's numbers on expected cases are correct we're looking at 2,500 hospitalisations a day. Isn't that higher than the number that's put us into past lockdowns?

 

[Grendel]

Nadhim Zahawi doing the rounds and not doing much to make me believe removing all restrictions is the right thing to do.

If as he says people are 'expected to wear masks in indoor enclosed places' why remove the requirement?

Was also so desperate to not say Johnson lied in parliament that he insisted severing the link between cases and hospitalisations is the same thing as weakening it. To prove this point he said 'at the current infection rate if this was without the vaccination program we would have 500-600 people being admitted to hospital a day'. Latest figure for daily admissions is 563.

But at least they've come up with a good plan to prevent the staffing crisis in the NHS getting any worse. No self isolation if they've got PPE. Sure spreading covid round hospitals will greatly improve things.

There was also a suggestion from Sir David Spiegelhalter that if Javid's numbers on expected cases are correct we're looking at 2,500 hospitalisations a day. Isn't that higher than the number that's put us into past lockdowns?

You are quoting Zahawi off the Andrew Marr show. The same programme that had a ONS guy who said even if we reach 100,000 infections a day we will have considerably less hospitalisation than the last peak and also that most of those have a far faster exit and will not have serious issues - he also said did he not the age demographic is substantially skewed now towards younger people and only 15% are really vulnerable?