Who is praising anyone? You’re very prickly. Nobody is being praised as far as I can tell, but a much smaller population is more likely to have a higher rate, that’s all. You may well be right compared to bigger nations.
Some of the messaging hasn’t helped, in particular the focus by media and certain governments on clotting, however, with a small amount of research on Google ie just checking real world data regarding vaccines preventing serious illness, most people should be able to get comfortable of the benefits. Theyve also been offered a vaccine which risks less severe side affects.
By saying it’s due to messaging, it’s suggesting under 30s aren’t very clever. Most know what they are doing, I just think many are making the wrong choice at the moment.
But then certain people (not you, tbf) said don't get a train to work if I'm bothered about people not wearing masks on it. Now, surely this is an extension of that? Don't want a vaccine? Don't go to an event.There isn’t one. We have never forced MMR we have never forced flu vaccines. You encourage take up not force. Democratic societies don’t force or then victimise those concerned about it
In some areas of bolton 1 in 4 have refused the vaccine. Individual lock down of communities who refuse to behave responsibly may be an option
Of course they’re not stupid, which is why some are going to question why at the moment it’s fine to visit indoor venues without proof of vaccination, yet suddenly from September it won’t be. It’s not hard to see why they’d become disengaged - they’ve also been told the virus poses minimal threat to them, so what’s the point?Some of the messaging hasn’t helped, in particular the focus by media and certain governments on clotting, however, with a small amount of research on Google ie just checking real world data regarding vaccines preventing serious illness, most people should be able to get comfortable of the benefits. Theyve also been offered a vaccine which risks less severe side affects.
By saying it’s due to messaging, it’s suggesting under 30s aren’t very clever. Most know what they are doing, I just think many are making the wrong choice at the moment.
Could also be that younger people don’t like the government or politicians in general, can only speak for me but when I was younger I would have had zero interest whatsoever an anything a politician said.
I’m hardly prickly - Hungary used the Sputnik vaccine as the EU procurement policy was so negligent they had no supply - they broke ranks and used an inferior vaccine
I’m sure as Ring of Steel you were very scathing we didn’t go the Eu procurement route didn’t you? I’ll try and find it
I think selfish is unfair. But more importantly you reduce the trust in the vaccine by coercing and manipulating people to take it that’s my pointI have the right to be protected against people who are willing to put me at risk as much as people have the choice to be vaccinated. If I go to the cinema I want people in there with me to have done as much to protect me as I have to protect them.
The people who are refusing the vaccine are selfish, is it unfair on them to exclude them or unfair on everyone else to be put at what is at the end of the day avoidable risk?
There isn’t one. We have never forced MMR we have never forced flu vaccines. You encourage take up not force. Democratic societies don’t force or then victimise those concerned about it
The choice is to take the vaccine or not. The argument needs to be won on the grounds of being right not manipulation and coercion. I’ve changed my mind now having seen the vitriol. Science and evidence wins not threats. It’s not about slippery slope it’s just wrong to coerce people to take vaccines. I may change my mind again if someone can show me facts about the issues the minority are causing
This happened today also.
Morons
They’re also making doctors and nurses who refuse vaccination to take unpaid leave here.
The opposite of that is you reduce the trust in the vaccine when we can’t reach a point of heard immunity because selfish adults are refusing it. They’re the ones holding us all to ransom. Like I said, I want to go to a cinema safe in the knowledge that everyone in there has done everything that they can to protect me as I have to protect them. It’s up to them. I shouldn’t be put of from going anywhere because heard immunity hasn’t been achieved thanks to a minority. Selfish is absolutely the right word if you ask me.I think selfish is unfair. But more importantly you reduce the trust in the vaccine by coercing and manipulating people to take it that’s my point
For the rest of the year, so far.For how long?
They’re also making doctors and nurses who refuse vaccination to take unpaid leave here.
Anecdotally these are those who don’t believe the virus is real and the vaccine is related to a global conspiracy to control people.
Passport and legally limiting freedoms needs a high bar. I do understand that argument just don’t agree with itThere is the argument that the people who are refusing the vaccine are driving the need and therefore the decision to have a vaccine passport in the first place.
The culture around domestic care is quite different and most live with families or the individual permanently and the contract is managed by the family.That’s different. Doctors and nurses have had to take vaccines as a condition for their job - does it apply to the biggest spreader of interest though - the domestic carer?
The culture around domestic care is quite different and most live with families or the individual permanently and the contract is managed by the family.
I’m there are but the majority won’t be.I’m sure there are plenty of domestic caters in Italy employed by private contractors.
I’m there are but the majority won’t be.
What a bizarre post.Which is the same as every country but again isn’t the point - your Sterling nationalism for your adopted homeland though is charming
Shame you didn’t some here from Italy - you’d be spreading your legs for Boris every 5 minutes on here
Which is the same as every country but again isn’t the point - your Sterling nationalism for your adopted homeland though is charming
Shame you didn’t some here from Italy - you’d be spreading your legs for Boris every 5 minutes on here
He's the most nationalist Johnson sycophant on the whole forum.err.. have you checked your avatar?
It represents about 1% of the total, it's a non story and Peston is an idiot
Going forward, you'd assume it will increase as a %age however.
And FWIW, surely it's in government's interests to include it, as what it then does is make %age of infected people suffering seriously from Covid... lower? Going forward, if people get reinfected but do relatively OK, that's surely a very valuable thing to know, and also to see playing out?
That was kind of my point, that you want to telegraph that, rather than not report it... especially if you want full confidence to return.The likelihood is though that a reinfection will be milder due to vaccine and / or prior infection.
I know but on the other hand reporting it just produces a headlineThat was kind of my point, that you want to telegraph that, rather than not report it... especially if you want full confidence to return.
The choice is to take the vaccine or not. The argument needs to be won on the grounds of being right not manipulation and coercion. I’ve changed my mind now having seen the vitriol. Science and evidence wins not threats. It’s not about slippery slope it’s just wrong to coerce people to take vaccines. I may change my mind again if someone can show me facts about the issues the minority are causing
Why? Because there's been protests? Like there have been here, despite the fact we were never under anywhere near as heavy restrictions as they have been. Only they haven't suffered from Covid anywhere near as badly as we have.
You have this obsession with populism. Just because people believe or want something doesn't make it right. For centuries popular belief fought heliocentricty and people were killed for it. They were wrong and it put the progression of knowledge back centuries. We had a popular belief that witches were the cause of disease etc and popular opinion wanted them discovered and killed. It was complete bollocks.
The government has a duty of care to people and is well within it's rights to say "Feel free to not have a vaccine but there will be things you will need to be vaccinated for".
Yep they got a head start, and are in danger of squandering it.I'd say that the zero covid policy attached to a frankly awful vaccine program has meant that the have a scarily low amout of immunity at the moment so outbreaks will spread like wildfire
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