Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (15 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So far.

People think the vaccine will track them, or give them cancer, and that the entire scientific and medical community are lying to them re covid on behalf on “elites” so think we’re fucked with climate change.

Climate change is already here and has been doing its work for years. Globally we’ve been doing a lot of window dressing while dismissing the radical changes needed as hard left or hippie nonsense.

Though dare I say WW2 was also a bigger problem than Covid

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Interesting thread on herd immunity, linked to something shhmmeee speculated on the other week



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[LastGarrison]

The way I look at it is, there was a relatively high %age of hospitalisations with over 40s anyway, and increased with the delta variant. If, whenever the virus gets past the vaccine, it turns the hospitalisations into feeling rough as fuck and awful for a while, the ones who would have been bad into moderate, and the ones who would have been moderate into asymptomatic... then it's doing its job.

Yeah totally agree and both our initial reactions were thank fuck she’s double jabbed but obviously the efficacy is only 92% so she could also be one of the 8% where it just doesn’t work.

Not that it matters either way and as shit as it is for her, at least she’s not lying in a hospital bed hooked up to a ventilator or even worse in a morgue.

 

[Sick Boy]

Anyone else had brain fog after their second dose?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not that it matters either way and as shit as it is for her, at least she’s not lying in a hospital bed hooked up to a ventilator or even worse in a morgue.

Yeah, if I could guarantee I'd catch the thing and basically be alright after two or three weeks, I'd take it, get it out the way.

Shame there aren't those guarantees!

 

[wingy]

Yeah, i keep wondering about whether some people are just more genetically pre-disposed to being ill with it than others as it does seem quite random.

I'm sure there is a fair chunk of society who are wandering around who are unaware of inherited conditions, although the screening for problems is pretty good.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Asthma is a very common condition and people with it don't consider themselves not fit and healthy

In terms of shielding they also weren't in the at risk group's

 

[shmmeee]

In the opticians with my daughter today, signs up “this is a medical environment please wear a mask at all times”

while we’re being seen a guy comes in.

Optician: do you have a mask?
Man: Nah I’m exempt, got asthma
O: Oh me too! I always wear a mask though, it can be quite bad if you have it
Man: Nah, load of bollocks, it’s just the flu, I’ve had it twice. Of course I couldn’t walk up stairs for a couple of weeks after but it’s just a flu
O: Oh have you had your jab then?
Man: Nah load of shit, not letting them out that in me
O: Oh, they’re saying you’ll have to have it to go abroad
Man: I’ve got a camper van, don’t want to go abroad
O: OK, anyway look at this green light…
Man: Yeah Bill Gates in the WHO wants to cull the population, been saying it for twenty years look it up
O: OK, just look here
Man: I get your scared, I can see it, but I’ve done my research…

And so on. As he left he shouts out “Bill Gates, check it out”

Woman deserves a medal.

 

[clint van damme]

In the opticians with my daughter today, signs up “this is a medical environment please wear a mask at all times”

while we’re being seen a guy comes in.

Optician: do you have a mask?
Man: Nah I’m exempt, got asthma
O: Oh me too! I always wear a mask though, it can be quite bad if you have it
Man: Nah, load of bollocks, it’s just the flu, I’ve had it twice. Of course I couldn’t walk up stairs for a couple of weeks after but it’s just a flu
O: Oh have you had your jab then?
Man: Nah load of shit, not letting them out that in me
O: Oh, they’re saying you’ll have to have it to go abroad
Man: I’ve got a camper van, don’t want to go abroad
O: OK, anyway look at this green light…
Man: Yeah Bill Gates in the WHO wants to cull the population, been saying it for twenty years look it up
O: OK, just look here
Man: I get your scared, I can see it, but I’ve done my research…

And so on. As he left he shouts out “Bill Gates, check it out”

Woman deserves a medal.

what are the chances of two posters from here being in the same opticians?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It's bollocks mate. It only kills those over 80 or literally about to drop dead anyway.....

For the most part that's true though.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

For the most part that's true though.

Some people on here have said it only kills these people and anyone young and reasonably healthy will be fine. That's not true.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Some people on here have said it only kills these people and anyone young and reasonably healthy will be fine. That's not true.

It doesn't only kill elderly people and those with underlying health conditions, but I would guess a very high amount of deaths are attributed to those in either category. Do you have the stats? Happy to look over them if so.

 

[Grendel]

Anyone else had brain fog after their second dose?

Paxman

 

[skybluetony176]

I was reading something the other day (I’ll have to look it up for a link) that was comparing on average how much victims of Covid had have been expected to live had they not caught it compared to life expectancy had people not died from seasonal flu. Basically on average people who have died of Covid would have been expected to live another 10 years had they not caught it compared to people who have died of seasonal flu who would have been expected to live an extra 5 years had they not caught it.

 

[shmmeee]

It doesn't only kill elderly people and those with underlying health conditions, but I would guess a very high amount of deaths are attributed to those in either category. Do you have the stats? Happy to look over them if so.

Small percentages of very big numbers are still big numbers.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Small percentages of very big numbers are still big numbers.

I don't disagree at all.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Even if you don't die, if you get ill enough to spend time in hospital with any kind of respiratory support, it's going to be a long time to full recovery and your lungs are likely to be damaged for good. I think anybody choosing not to have a vaccine is pretty mental tbh.

 

[Sick Boy]

Has the UK vaccine roll out hit something of a wall? I saw that 6 EU countries now have higher percentages of vaccinations.

 

[Grendel]

Has the UK vaccine roll out hit something of a wall? I saw that 6 EU countries now have higher percentages of vaccinations.

No we just have focussed on adults whereas the Eu have vaccinated across all over 12 and quote percentages of the whole population

Good bit of EU spin though

 

[CCFCSteve]

Has the UK vaccine roll out hit something of a wall? I saw that 6 EU countries now have higher percentages of vaccinations.

Only approx 35k per day first doses. Slower up take amongst the young uns but that’s probably offset a bit by natural immunity/antibodies in those younger age groups. If everyone who’s got a first dose gets a second that’s 89% of adult population (currently 74%). I don’t think anyone would’ve expected such a high take up at the start of the roll out

There’s been talk of herd immunity being unlikely anyway so if everyone who wants a jab has had one/two and the hospitals are unlikely to get overrun, then the roll outs kind of done it’s job already anyway

Ps Not sure if European countries numbers quoted are adults only or inc kids jabs ?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Spain has great overall rates but their rates amongst the more vulnerable are not so good

 

[Grendel]

Only approx 35k per day first doses. Slower up take amongst the young uns but that’s probably offset a bit by natural immunity/antibodies in those younger age groups. If everyone who’s got a first dose gets a second that’s 89% of adult population (currently 74%). I don’t think anyone would’ve expected such a high take up at the start of the roll out

There’s been talk of herd immunity being unlikely anyway so if everyone who wants a jab has had one and the hospitals are unlikely to get overrun, then the roll outs kind of done it’s job already anyway

Ps Not sure if European countries numbers quoted are adults only or inc kids jabs ?

Yeah they changed the measurement and many countries have pushed the jab across school age children

Personally I’d rather we get the 90% of adults double dosed then so boosters for the over 50’s

 

[Grendel]

Spain has great overall rates but their rates amongst the more vulnerable are not so good

Italy also I believe have around 2 million over 65s with no vaccine

 

[Sick Boy]

No we just have focussed on adults whereas the Eu have vaccinated across all over 12 and quote percentages of the whole population

Good bit of EU spin though

A nice bit of spin; not all EU countries are vaccinating over 12s.

 

[Grendel]

A nice bit of spin; not all EU countries are vaccinating over 12s.

Which of those above the U.K. haven’t?

 

[Sick Boy]

Italy also I believe have around 2 million over 65s with no vaccine

It’s over 60s - i guess novaxers.

 

[Sick Boy]

Which of those above the U.K. haven’t?

Most Spanish regions only starting vaccinating over 12s last week.

 

[Evo1883]

It’s over 60s - i guess novaxers.

To be fair going off my Facebook, its worrying how many under 35s are anti vaxxers ..

 

[Sick Boy]

Yeah they changed the measurement and many countries have pushed the jab across school age children

Personally I’d rather we get the 90% of adults double dosed then so boosters for the over 50’s

It’s inevitable the UK will do as well, IMO.

 

[Grendel]

Most Spanish regions only starting vaccinating over 12s last week.

As FP says they are vaccinated non vulnerable people - last month the age group of around 60 - 65 has dire levels second dosed

 

[Grendel]

It’s inevitable the UK will do as well, IMO.

I don’t see the point

 

[Skybluefaz]

To be fair going off my Facebook, its worrying how many under 35s are anti vaxxers ..

Footballers as well by the sounds of things. Where are they getting their advice from?

 

[Sick Boy]

I don’t see the point

Herd immunity cannot be reached unless children over 12 given Covid vaccine, experts say

Experts criticise ‘unnecessary delay’ in expanding roll-out after decision to offer 16 and 17-year-olds jab

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Grendel]

Herd immunity cannot be reached unless children over 12 given Covid vaccine, experts say

Experts criticise ‘unnecessary delay’ in expanding roll-out after decision to offer 16 and 17-year-olds jab

www.independent.co.uk

I still don’t see why you’d do it. It’s better to get all adults jabbed and then boosters - there’s no point in having 70% jabbed if 40% of venerable age groups haven’t

 

[Sick Boy]

I still don’t see why you’d do it. It’s better to get all adults jabbed and then boosters - there’s no point in having 70% jabbed if 40% of venerable age groups haven’t

I presume to try and get some sort of control over it in schools? I think they started doing it in America before they started in Europe. Presumably getting something closer to herd immunity with the over 12s vaccinated also removes the need for boosters across more of the general population after 9 months of whatever it is.