Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (4 Viewers)
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I mean, anything that persuades more people to get the vaccine is good by me. I’m not sure if debating this chart of yours really helps that - or was this all about vaccine outreach for you all along? What has motivated you to get the vaccine?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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And I'm not the only one who doesn't understand because several people have agreed with me, and none with you
Several people (who also have been really prone to go as negative as possible and also have admitted they have been scared during the pandemic) have taken your side.
Stop the press.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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If you'd only said those things then that'd be fine, no problem with that.
The problem is you also said:
"The vaccine has no real effect on anyone under the age of 50 when it comes to fatality either"
Which is proven to be totally false by the data YOU POSTED.
I don't know how many times I can tell you that statement is false. The data is right there for you so clearly you don't understand it. That's ok, just admit you got it wrong
There wouldn't have been no problem with that, because you would have found the next thing to argue about. That's your whole purpose here, because what you are saying makes absolutely no sense and you are just arguing for the sake of it.
The data backs up what I have just said (which you just admitted was fine). Where do you want to draw the line, 43, 46, 49.746578389? Wherever that line in the sand is, it still reinforces my point (again which you admitted was fine).
One thing was right about the healthy debate thing though, if you cannot be bothered to read what others have said, or digest a simple table of data, then I really can't help you. I think that is part of the problem though, when the facts don't fit your agenda, the fingers go in the ears.
'my side' being Public Health England. Yeah, imagine taking sides with those jokers, what fools we are.
You couldn't even be bothered to read and digest the data you posted, then throw your toys out the pram when it's pointed out to you. Healthy debate indeed.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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You did. You posted data from PHE.
No wonder people give you such short thrift on here. Healthy debate my arse.
Skybluefaz
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The jab can prevent serious illness can't it? Therefore keeping people out of hospital and reducing the pressure on the NHS and avoiding lockdown. Karl Darlow was talking about his experience with Covid-19. He got it before he'd been fully vaccinated. Deaths aren't be all and end all are they? Unless you are under 16 I think in which case it was deemed to not be of benefit to the individual wasn't it?
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Deleted member 5849
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Yeah, the logic for U16s (I think!) is to suppress transmission as much as anything, so less risk to people who are vulnerable... along with side effects such as long Covid, I think?
Skybluefaz
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Yep although I believe the medical people said that was more a political decision.
Grendel
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It’s more to massage figures and increase vaccines - it would make more sense to either distribute elsewhere or hold back for booster requirements. There isn’t really any logic to have 12 year olds jabbed
fernandopartridge
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Obviously they'll still get statutory sick pay.
But the vaccine is proven to make you less likely to get ill, so if you choose not to take it, as is your right, and get ill then Morrisons can choose not to pay you as much, as is their right.
fernandopartridge
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Grendel
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Its extraordinary someone who professes left wing leanings can come up with a view so far right even my jaw dropped
it’s obscene
Evo1883
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Exactly , it's amazing what people are willing to accept , and it won't stop there
Quite surprised in recent weeks on how certain people see things on here with this virus . I feel like im the leftie here these days
Have you knelt down in front of Boris again?
But that's not what's happening.
It's not an 'excuse'.
Anti-vaxxers are more likely to cost them money by refusing to take up something which reduces the chances of them being off work.
They would still receive statutory sick pay so it's perfectly legal.
They aren't being forced to take the vaccine, it's still entirely their choice.
If they were being forced then clearly that would be totally wrong. But they aren't. It's their choice.
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tbf if you haven't been vaccinated, you're more likely to have more time off, and end up just on statutory sick pay anyway, so not sure there's much point in hastening the process...
fernandopartridge
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Do you really consider yourself left wing with this sort of logic? I presume you're ok with somebody having no sick pay for sports injuries? What about somebody who is double vaccinated yet still ill enough to need time off?
It's no credit to Morrisons that they pay statutory sick pay, it is a legal obligation
Evo1883
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2 people at a company catch covid , vaccinated or not ... both will be off work for 10 days isolating ... costing the company money .
The delta varient appears as transmissible in vaccinated people as it is unvaccinated .. we are carrying the same amount of the virus basically
Delta: Virus levels as high in vaccinated as in unvaccinated adults
A study shows that people vaccinated against coronavirus with the Delta variant had similar peak viral levels to those without vaccination.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
You're making excuses for large corporations to take money away from people
The vaccine protects us from the effects of the vaccine not from transmission
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Evo1883
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Yes , it's just a way to save money .. no other reason
Grendel
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he’s hilarious - his classic that Eastern European’s shipped over to leave in squalor are a benefit of freedom of movement was a gem. Now this.
He’s further right that Thatcher. From farming stock And boy it shows
I don't consider myself left wing, I consider myself centre left.
You can't compare this to sports injuries or other illness/injuries. It's completely novel.
You have a choice of taking a perfectly safe vaccine that reduces the chances of you becoming ill. That makes you more valuable to your employer. Like it or not that's a fact. We are hiring at the moment and i would not employ an anti vaxxer.
Of course stat sick pay is a legal obligation. I have not said otherwise, and I am not saying its a credit to Morrisons that they pay it.
Like I said, I am not condoning forced vaccinations, that is wrong. But people have a choice, and they have to accept whatever comes with making the choice they make.
Hahaha this old chestnut. The biggest racist on the board pretends to be offended by a totally mis-remembered quote.
I hadn't posted on the off topic forum for a while and I remember why now, racist c**ts like you.
Evo1883
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Right so it's for the best that heart attack patients who smoke are just left at home to treat themselves to save the NHS money
After all they made the choice to smoke
Had they not smoked the risk is massively reduced and they deserve treatment
Choices have consequences
Not this again.
Are heart attacks contagious?