Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[Deleted member 9744]

Positivity rates were highest in young children, but hospital admissions and deaths were highest among older people
Estimated percentage of the population testing positive for COVID-19 in the week ending 27 November 2021, hospital admission rates in the week ending 28 November 2021, and deaths registered in the week ending 26 November 2021, by age, England

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

Conclusions:
Obese patients are more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, and are at higher risk of in-hospital death or mechanical ventilation, in particular, if young (age ≤50 years). Obese patients are also at higher risk for venous thromboembolism and dialysis. These observations support clear public health messaging and rigorous adherence to COVID-19 prevention strategies in all obese individuals regardless of age.

Association of Body Mass Index and Age With Morbidity and Mortality in Patients Hospitalized With COVID-19

Background: Obesity may contribute to adverse outcomes in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). However, studies of large, broadly generalizable patient populations are lacking, and the effect of body

www.ahajournals.org

What You Need To Know

• People of any age with the conditions listed below are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.
• COVID-19 vaccines (initial doses and boosters) and preventive measures for COVID-19 are important, especially if you are older or have multiple or severe health conditions including those on this list.

People with Certain Medical Conditions

What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

So people who are older or have health conditions are important?

 

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[Johnnythespider]

Positivity rates were highest in young children, but hospital admissions and deaths were highest among older people
Estimated percentage of the population testing positive for COVID-19 in the week ending 27 November 2021, hospital admission rates in the week ending 28 November 2021, and deaths registered in the week ending 26 November 2021, by age, England

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

Conclusions:
Obese patients are more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, and are at higher risk of in-hospital death or mechanical ventilation, in particular, if young (age ≤50 years). Obese patients are also at higher risk for venous thromboembolism and dialysis. These observations support clear public health messaging and rigorous adherence to COVID-19 prevention strategies in all obese individuals regardless of age.

Association of Body Mass Index and Age With Morbidity and Mortality in Patients Hospitalized With COVID-19

Background: Obesity may contribute to adverse outcomes in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). However, studies of large, broadly generalizable patient populations are lacking, and the effect of body

www.ahajournals.org

What You Need To Know

• People of any age with the conditions listed below are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.
• COVID-19 vaccines (initial doses and boosters) and preventive measures for COVID-19 are important, especially if you are older or have multiple or severe health conditions including those on this list.

People with Certain Medical Conditions

What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

Now tell me how many of those people would still be alive if they hadn't caught covid, i know 2 so you can start from there if you like

 

[Tommo1993]

That's pritty much it, I had Covid last week, and didn't have any symptoms. It's nothing unless you're old, ill or fat as fuck.

Waiting for this to be properly backed up.

 

[Ian1779]

What a load of bullshit. Because of a new variant that hasn't actually killed anybody and because the prime minister has been caught out again.

c**t

The new variant has been here long enough for anyone to have been ‘killed’ by it in all likeliness.
Anyway whilst everyone is wetting themselves because they have to wear a mask, the Government are quietly putting plans in place to throw you in jail for protesting further restrictions.

 

[Johnnythespider]

It is actually - and has been since the very start…..average age of death still remains at 80

I'm not arguing avarages, the point was it only affects the old, obese, or ill and i know it doesn't, it also ignores the many who don't die but are left struggling for months afterwards.

 

[skybluetony176]

That's pritty much it, I had Covid last week, and didn't have any symptoms. It's nothing unless you're old, ill or fat as fuck.

I’d love to see you tell my mate that who’s previously healthy athletic 26 year old son has had life changing and almost certainly life shortening effects from Covid. I’m a nice guy, I’ll call you an ambulance.

 

[JAM See]

Positivity rates were highest in young children, but hospital admissions and deaths were highest among older people
Estimated percentage of the population testing positive for COVID-19 in the week ending 27 November 2021, hospital admission rates in the week ending 28 November 2021, and deaths registered in the week ending 26 November 2021, by age, England

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

Conclusions:
Obese patients are more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19, and are at higher risk of in-hospital death or mechanical ventilation, in particular, if young (age ≤50 years). Obese patients are also at higher risk for venous thromboembolism and dialysis. These observations support clear public health messaging and rigorous adherence to COVID-19 prevention strategies in all obese individuals regardless of age.

Association of Body Mass Index and Age With Morbidity and Mortality in Patients Hospitalized With COVID-19

Background: Obesity may contribute to adverse outcomes in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). However, studies of large, broadly generalizable patient populations are lacking, and the effect of body

www.ahajournals.org

What You Need To Know

• People of any age with the conditions listed below are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.
• COVID-19 vaccines (initial doses and boosters) and preventive measures for COVID-19 are important, especially if you are older or have multiple or severe health conditions including those on this list.

People with Certain Medical Conditions

What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

And here we are...

Talking about fat people, when we should be talking about how this government has taken the piss out of the electorate.

Told people they can't see their dying relatives, while they have quiz nights, cheese and wine.

Nothing to see here. Wear your mask and show your pass.

Appalling people.

 

[Nick]

Pretty obvious it's just a distraction.

 

[Marty]

I’d love to see you tell my mate that who’s previously healthy athletic 26 year old son has had life changing and almost certainly life shortening effects from Covid. I’m a nice guy, I’ll call you an ambulance.

Are we allowing threats now @Nick

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What a load of bullshit. Because of a new variant that hasn't actually killed anybody and because the prime minister has been caught out again.

c**t

So what does it actually stop you doing, then? You can still go to a shop, you can still go to the pub, you can still go to the football (who wants to go after a positive Covid test?!?)

Do you remember March 2020, when a few of us (including me) decided it wasn't much, it'd blow over? Surely a few restrictions while they check is better than the shitshow that followed then because nobody bothered to do anything?

What, actually, are you stopped from doing?

 

[chiefdave]

Yes it really is though

Elite athletes are of course renowned for being 'old, ill or fat as fuck'.

How elite athletes have struggled with the long-term effects of Covid

For some athletes, the road back to 100 percent isn’t a straight line.

www.sbnation.com

 

[skybluetony176]

Are we allowing threats now @Nick

A) I wasn’t threatening you.
B) I offered to do you a favour if you were ever stupid enough to share your idiotic opinion based on bullshit to someone I know who’s having to actually deal with the reality of Covid.

You’re welcome.

 

[David O'Day]

The queues to get in are going to be so fucking long

 

[David O'Day]

A) I wasn’t threatening you.
B) I offered to do you a favour if you were ever stupid enough to share your idiotic opinion based on bullshit to someone I know who’s having to actually deal with the reality of Covid.

You’re welcome.

He's being a proper c**t on a thread that has posts from someone who died from Covid.

 

[chiefdave]

The thing I don't get is the random points at which things kick in. 9,999 at the football - no problem, 10,000 at the football - too risky need mitigations. Same with the seated & unseated, what difference does it make?

Have they not learned by now they need to keep it simple. Just apply the same rules everywhere.

 

[Marty]

A) I wasn’t threatening you.
B) I offered to do you a favour if you were ever stupid enough to share your idiotic opinion based on bullshit to someone I know who’s having to actually deal with the reality of Covid.

You’re welcome.

It's not an opinion, it's fact, supported by leading scientists world wide, also backed up by the Office of National Statistics, American Heart Association and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I even included links to the articles I got my fact based opinion from for you to peruse. Futhermore, I even clarified in a further post how not every death would be one of those things "Can't speak for every last covid death, but I would assume, no, but the stats back up what I say.".

All I've gotten back so far is feelings and threats, now, I hate to break it to you, but we're all living with 'the reality of Covid', to varying degrees, yes, but we're all living with it.

 

[skybluetony176]

It's not an opinion, it's fact, supported by leading scientists world wide, also backed up by the Office of National Statistics, American Heart Association and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I even included links to the articles I got my fact based opinion from for you to peruse. Futhermore, I even clarified in a further post how not every death would be one of those things "Can't speak for every last covid death, but I would assume, no, but the stats back up what I say.".

All I've gotten back so far is feelings and threats, now, I hate to break it to you, but we're all living with 'the reality of Covid', to varying degrees, yes, but we're all living with it.

You should lead with that. I bet you don’t even finish the first sentence before he’s knocked you out. Again. I’ll call the ambulance for you. You’re welcome.

 

[Ian1779]

It's not an opinion, it's fact, supported by leading scientists world wide, also backed up by the Office of National Statistics, American Heart Association and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I even included links to the articles I got my fact based opinion from for you to peruse. Futhermore, I even clarified in a further post how not every death would be one of those things "Can't speak for every last covid death, but I would assume, no, but the stats back up what I say.".

All I've gotten back so far is feelings and threats, now, I hate to break it to you, but we're all living with 'the reality of Covid', to varying degrees, yes, but we're all living with it.

There will be an equal measure of scientists arguing the opposite with evidence. That’s what science does, and that’s how statisticians manipulate figures.

 

[JAM See]

I've drilled into this.

Hidden in the regulations is the following statement.

Para1: Subsection2: Amendment4:

All fans of a midlands based Association Football Club who's ground contains the words 'building' and 'society' are deemed to have fully complied with all Covid restrictions.

If challenged, your reply should be that

"No Covid rules had been broken based on what I have been told "...

..."and I now consider the matter closed"

You're welcome to quote me as the source of those of who told you, because honestly, who fucking cares. It'll blow over in a few weeks, the thousands who couldn't be with their loved one's will soon forget it when we point at some immigrants and growl.

 

[Marty]

You should lead with that. I bet you don’t even finish the first sentence before he’s knocked you out. Again. I’ll call the ambulance for you. You’re welcome.

I bet you get a hard on when hes telling his stories down the pub. Imagine getting to your age, and still giving it the my mates harder then you talk. embarrassing.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's not an opinion, it's fact, supported by leading scientists world wide, also backed up by the Office of National Statistics, American Heart Association and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I even included links to the articles I got my fact based opinion from for you to peruse. Futhermore, I even clarified in a further post how not every death would be one of those things "Can't speak for every last covid death, but I would assume, no, but the stats back up what I say.".

All I've gotten back so far is feelings and threats, now, I hate to break it to you, but we're all living with 'the reality of Covid', to varying degrees, yes, but we're all living with it.

It isn't fact at all, I've posted the ICNARC report on here a few times before that comprehensively breaks down the real world data, from doctors not scientists. It is true to say morbidly obese people are at greater risk of admission to ICU but not exclusively.

Once in ICU morbidly obese have a better survival rate strangely.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It is actually - and has been since the very start…..average age of death still remains at 80

If it only affects the old, ill or obese no-one in the world that doesn't fit into at least one of those descriptions can have been affected or died. Still happy to maintain that ascertain?

 

[skybluetony176]

I bet you get a hard on when hes telling his stories down the pub. Imagine getting to your age, and still giving it the my mates harder then you talk. embarrassing.

My mate isn’t hard. I just know that an arsehole like you would turn him to violence with your bullshit. Given he’s trying to come to terms with something no parent should face ie the very real possibility that he may have to bury his child to something you say only kills people who are non of the things he is.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Get to work from home again though

 

[Sick Boy]

My GF has an ongoing midwifery patient who’s 24, normal weight and in coma - there’s so much nonsense bandied about on here by covid deniers.

 

[fernandopartridge]

My GF has an ongoing midwifery patient whose 24, normal weight and in coma - there’s so much nonsense bandied about on here by covid deniers.

Yep, pregnant women are extremely vulnerable

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I hate this argument that its not a problem because it's only a risk to elderly people or those with conditions.

I also hate the term living with the virus. What it means is accepting that some people will die from it.

 

[Marty]

It isn't fact at all, I've posted the ICNARC report on here a few times before that comprehensively breaks down the real world data, from doctors not scientists. It is true to say morbidly obese people are at greater risk of admission to ICU but not exclusively.

Once in ICU morbidly obese have a better survival rate strangely.

Thank you, that proves my point, BMI over 25 is overweight, over 30 is obese (yes, there will be the odd bodybuilder/rugby player, but the majority will be fat idle people). More people died in the overweight/obese category then people with a healthy weight were even in hospital (1656:7059). 2074 deaths overweight/obese, the fact that sub 20 BMI are omitted from that is throwing doubt over the whole study, for all we know, the larger % is down to anorexic people.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I hate this argument that its not a problem because it's only a risk to elderly people or those with conditions.

I also hate the term living with the virus. What it means is accepting that some people will die from it.

On your second point though this is just reality, we're in a different place to February 2020. You've got an almost endemic virus now which like it or not is here to stay.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I hate this argument that its not a problem because it's only a risk to elderly people or those with conditions.

I also hate the term living with the virus. What it means is accepting that some people will die from it.

Such has been the case with every pathogen to have existed on this planet. The government's duty of care is carried out by vaccinating all of the most at risk and as many of the general population as it can, which by and large it has done. We lost over 20,000 to the flu barely a few years ago, despite a vaccination program. As much as nobody wants this conversation we do need to decide as a society what tolerable death rates are for Covid with annual booster shots factored in. Forcing schoolkids to isolate on top of the previous school closures is continuing to cause massive disruption to the education of people already aware that their qualifications have been semi invalidated.

What seems clear to me is that, like this, new variants will continue to arise in countries where vax rates are low which in turn compromises our own efforts. Until we properly commit to helping the world catch up we are going to have this problem lurking constantly.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

On your second point though this is just reality, we're in a different place to February 2020. You've got an almost endemic virus now which like it or not is here to stay.

It depends what people mean by living with it, though. Of course there reaches a stage where, ultimately, Covid loses its impact as a name, people can joke about others getting man-Covid, and it generally becomes something you pop to Boots to sort, in the main. You're also right, of course, that things are a damned site better now than then!

If living with it is used as a shortcut for wanting to do what you feel like and fuck anybody else, that's maybe a different matter...

 

[chiefdave]

Thank you, that proves my point, BMI over 25 is overweight, over 30 is obese (yes, there will be the odd bodybuilder/rugby player, but the majority will be fat idle people). More people died in the overweight/obese category then people with a healthy weight were even in hospital (1656:7059). 2074 deaths overweight/obese, the fact that sub 20 BMI are omitted from that is throwing doubt over the whole study, for all we know, the larger % is down to anorexic people.

How does it prove your point? Your claim was 'It's nothing unless you're old, ill or fat as fuck'. Those statistics show it did a lot more than nothing to a lot of people who don't fall into those categories.

The report shows 88% of people admitted were 'able to live without assistance in daily life', ie: they led perfectly normal lives. You can't just declare them all dispensable. 63% of UK adults have a BMI over 25, do we just write them all off?

I'm currently getting tests for a potential lung condition, if it turns out I have it that would put me in the at risk category. Does that mean I should be happy to die so you're not inconvenienced by having to show a QR code every now & again or wear a mask in the supermarket?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Thank you, that proves my point, BMI over 25 is overweight, over 30 is obese (yes, there will be the odd bodybuilder/rugby player, but the majority will be fat idle people). More people died in the overweight/obese category then people with a healthy weight were even in hospital (1656:7059). 2074 deaths overweight/obese, the fact that sub 20 BMI are omitted from that is throwing doubt over the whole study, for all we know, the larger % is down to anorexic people.

So what? Doesn't mean their lives are less important than yours.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

On your second point though this is just reality, we're in a different place to February 2020. You've got an almost endemic virus now which like it or not is here to stay.

I appreciate that but it is an offensive term to the families of people who don't get to learn to live with it.

 

[Marty]

How does it prove your point? Your claim was 'It's nothing unless you're old, ill or fat as fuck'. Those statistics show it did a lot more than nothing to a lot of people who don't fall into those categories.

The report shows 88% of people admitted were 'able to live without assistance in daily life', ie: they led perfectly normal lives. You can't just declare them all dispensable. 63% of UK adults have a BMI over 25, do we just write them all off?

I'm currently getting tests for a potential lung condition, if it turns out I have it that would put me in the at risk category. Does that mean I should be happy to die so you're not inconvenienced by having to show a QR code every now & again or wear a mask in the supermarket?

Of all deaths only about 20% would be considered as at a healthy weight, again, we can't evaluate how accurate those figures are, but it's likely to be lower then 20% as it doesn't include unhealthy people with a BMI below 20.

As I've said many times over the years, the fat acceptance movement needs to stop, being overweight is not good for you.

Honestly, I'm sorry to hear about your illness.