Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So we should do what with illnesses such as the NORA virus or severe inluenza? The same?

Does NORA virus make the skin on your legs all wrinkly?

 

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[shmmeee]

I have thought it'd be different for every individual.

In terms of actual learning probably the quieter, more studious kids have flourished having the opportunity to spend time doing it without all the nonsense of playground politics and peer pressure. Others will just get distracted and without someone to try and focus them will fall back.

In a way it would be interesting to see what each kid had done during that time to give an idea of how to motivate and get the best from them.

One thing for certain is that all of the kids will have suffered in terms of personal development without the socialisation.

Would be interesting to see, I wouldn’t be averse to allowing older kids some work from home time in theory. Given the right kids of course, which is the rub.

 

[Grendel]

Yes we should isolate as we do when we have both of those, the advantage with covid is we have a simple test if we have symptoms. What’s the problem with that?

because isolating people who have no symptoms or very minor ones and are not I’ll will bring businesses to a standstill - we test far more than any country don’t we in Europe? It’s now counter-productive

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

because isolating people who have no symptoms or very minor ones and are not I’ll will bring businesses to a standstill - we test far more than any country don’t we in Europe? It’s now counter-productive

That’s a fair opinion. But why not test when you have symptoms and isolate while you are expelling a viral load? No one is isolating without symptoms unless they are taking regular tests which is why 1 in 15 people in England currently have the virus

And there’s 17000 in hospital , granted half of them in hospital for other reasons other than for Covid with a few hundred in icu. We are managing it well but have removed all mitigations. Which is where this started as someone was saying a school was wrong to deliver virtual learning one day a week for certain pupils.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You don’t think not testing and walking around and expelling viral load by coughing (assuming you are covid positive) is putting someone at risk of catching the virus??? Or am I misunderstanding your point?

The "assuming you are covid positive" is the key point. People have lost all sense of proportion. People have forever and will continue to forever spread respiratory viruses including covid. Individuals making assumptions that somebody is covid positive because they've coughed a couple of times is hysterical, and the further comment that the person is endangering his family is beyond contempt.

 

[Grendel]

The "assuming you are covid positive" is the key point. People have lost all sense of proportion. People have forever and will continue to forever spread respiratory viruses including covid. Individuals making assumptions that somebody is covid positive because they've coughed a couple of times is hysterical, and the further comment that the person is endangering his family is beyond contempt.

exactly it’s an outrageous thing to say. It’s almost back to the days when people wanted to know who were HIV in case they caught it by breathing the air. This hysteria is partly fuelled by the testing regime and has to stop

I know someone who had it and was in a bar with someone else - when they tested positive the next day the colleague with them was hysterical like they were going to get Ebola

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Which is where this started as someone was saying a school was wrong to deliver virtual learning one day a week for certain pupils.

Yep...Except its every pupil, one day per week....so for many many of them, its effectively a 20% cut in learning hours, meals & general care/supervision.... and why?
Because a load of teachers & support staff are sat at home, perfectly healthy, but a little plastic stick says they must remain at home until 2 more little plastic sticks tell them they can return.....

...and return to a school where (like wider society) Covid is completely endemic, absolutely rife, officially less deadly & less of a threat than flu & pretty much totally harmless to school children.

Its dumb as fuck.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The "assuming you are covid positive" is the key point. People have lost all sense of proportion. People have forever and will continue to forever spread respiratory viruses including covid. Individuals making assumptions that somebody is covid positive because they've coughed a couple of times is hysterical, and the further comment that the person is endangering his family is beyond contempt.

Ah I didn’t read it like that but I assume the black white right wrong stuff comes in

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yep...Except its every pupil, one day per week....so for many many of them, its effectively a 20% cut in learning hours, meals & general care/supervision.... and why?
Because a load of teachers & support staff are sat at home, perfectly healthy, but a little plastic stick says they must remain at home until 2 more little plastic sticks tell them they can return.....

...and return to a school where (like wider society) Covid is completely endemic, absolutely rife, officially less deadly & less of a threat than flu & pretty much totally harmless to school children.

Its dumb as fuck.

That’s where I think prejudice comes in both ways

Staff sat at home perfectly healthy??? Based on what??

 

[Johnnythespider]

Yep...Except its every pupil, one day per week....so for many many of them, its effectively a 20% cut in learning hours, meals & general care/supervision.... and why?
Because a load of teachers & support staff are sat at home, perfectly healthy, but a little plastic stick says they must remain at home until 2 more little plastic sticks tell them they can return.....

...and return to a school where (like wider society) Covid is completely endemic, absolutely rife, officially less deadly & less of a threat than flu & pretty much totally harmless to school children.

Its dumb as fuck.

My wife wasn't sat at home perfectly healthy when she had it 2 weeks ago, she was ill, the school she works at operates a come to work if you are fit enough policy regardless of a positive test result.

 

[wingy]

Good Job the half term /Easter break is on the horizon , might calm it down a bit.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just unhinged

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just unhinged

It’s only so they can eat them

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Well, after 2 years the Rona has finally caught up with me. Felt rough on tuesday wednesday but no positive test, and now im better the faint line turns up!

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Well, after 2 years the Rona has finally caught up with me. Felt rough on tuesday wednesday but no positive test, and now im better the faint line turns up!

Just another ringing endorsement of LFT farce....

 

[fernandopartridge]

Returned to the office for the first time since 2020 this week, has lifted my mood.

I must be unusual though as barely anybody else in my team is doing so, just can't get the mindset of wanting to be in your house all of the time

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Returned to the office for the first time since 2020 this week, has lifted my mood.

I must be unusual though as barely anybody else in my team is doing so, just can't get the mindset of wanting to be in your house all of the time

I love it most of the time

 

[ajsccfc]

My wife tested positive on Sunday, I've felt mildly rubbish for a week and assumed I had the same but was a few days behind. Nope, negative tests all the way. Either I'm immune or covid is a slow fucker

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My wife tested positive on Sunday, I've felt mildly rubbish for a week and assumed I had the same but was a few days behind. Nope, negative tests all the way. Either I'm immune or covid is a slow fucker

Can take 10 days. Can I just check that you know the stick doesn’t go up your arse

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

Returned to the office for the first time since 2020 this week, has lifted my mood.

I must be unusual though as barely anybody else in my team is doing so, just can't get the mindset of wanting to be in your house all of the time

I've been back to the office twice a week at least for about two months, makes a huge difference seeing people

You'll never get 5x days a week again but I'm happy with the 50/50 split and I think more businesses should promote it

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[ajsccfc]

Can take 10 days. Can I just check that you know the stick doesn’t go up your arse

Come on, we've all got our hobbies

 

[shmmeee]

Returned to the office for the first time since 2020 this week, has lifted my mood.

I must be unusual though as barely anybody else in my team is doing so, just can't get the mindset of wanting to be in your house all of the time

Way more productive at home. I’ve been in 6 out of the last ten days and got half as much done as I did in the other four.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Way more productive at home. I’ve been in 6 out of the last ten days and got half as much done as I did in the other four.

That's just not an issue for me, I don't even really understand it tbh. I'm not even sure it's true when some people say it, I think people perceive productivity to mean "no dwell time". Anyway, why would you produce more for no more pay?

In my current job I review a lot of documentation people produce at home, and tbh, they all need to get back in the office and to start asking for help.

 

[shmmeee]

That's just not an issue for me, I don't even really understand it tbh. I'm not even sure it's true when some people say it, I think people perceive productivity to mean "no dwell time". Anyway, why would you produce more for no more pay?

In my current job I review a lot of documentation people produce at home, and tbh, they all need to get back in the office and to start asking for help.

Maybe it’s because my job requires lots of focus and my headphones are broke . I find in the office come 2pm everyone else is chatting for the rest of the day and I can’t concentrate. Even in the office my team all talks through slack and we have team members in Germany and Portugal so it’s not a massive difference. Biggest benefit is the social stuff.

As for why I want to be more productive: cos I’ve got stock options and I want the company to succeed so they’re worth something. I couldn’t do a job I dnot care about really, since leaving teaching I’ve only worked at start ups I believe in and want to help succeed.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Maybe it’s because my job requires lots of focus and my headphones are broke . I find in the office come 2pm everyone else is chatting for the rest of the day and I can’t concentrate. Even in the office my team all talks through slack and we have team members in Germany and Portugal so it’s not a massive difference. Biggest benefit is the social stuff.

As for why I want to be more productive: cos I’ve got stock options and I want the company to succeed so they’re worth something. I couldn’t do a job I dnot care about really, since leaving teaching I’ve only worked at start ups I believe in and want to help succeed.

Where have I said I don't care about my job? It's a different thing from doing more than you are actually paid to do. My ethos is to do what you're paid to do and do it well.

I don't have any shares, though I possibly wish I did have given the company share price has increased over 100% in the 7 years since I started. That said, on the downside employee share options come with potentially considerable downsides as well which put me off.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Way more productive at home. I’ve been in 6 out of the last ten days and got half as much done as I did in the other four.

Work with a team of data analysts and they are absolutely convinced that working from home enables them to be way more effective and focused

 

[ajsccfc]

Had the line come up this morning finally, positive. It's almost a relief as I at least now have a cause for my feeling crap for the last week. Also I can confirm testing anally does still work, so every cloud

 

[chiefdave]

Way more productive at home. I’ve been in 6 out of the last ten days and got half as much done as I did in the other four.

Every metric we use shows that productivity has gone up significantly with everything working from home. We also had a meeting where we had to go round everyone in the company and them say if they wanted to go back to the office or not. One or two said they'd like the option but everyone else said they preferred working from home.

So it came as no surprise to anyone when the bosses decided everyone had to start coming back into the office. Its one of those things where no matter what the data says those in charge just can't get their head around the fact people just get on with it when they work from home and aren't sat watching Netflix all day. Probably says something about what they've been doing all those years when they've been the only ones with a working from home option.

 

[Grendel]

Work with a team of data analysts and they are absolutely convinced that working from home enables them to be way more effective and focused

Well they are bound to say that if they like working from home…

 

[SBAndy]

That's just not an issue for me, I don't even really understand it tbh. I'm not even sure it's true when some people say it, I think people perceive productivity to mean "no dwell time". Anyway, why would you produce more for no more pay?

In my current job I review a lot of documentation people produce at home, and tbh, they all need to get back in the office and to start asking for help.

It’s different for everyone, I also feel I’m far more productive from home and my KPIs suggest that. I don’t see a direct benefit to me going into an office, having to travel an hour each way and pay the cost of said travel. People newer to the role that I’m in would see great benefits and I get the angle of some of my knowledge rubbing off on them, but the newest recruit on our team joined 4 years ago.

Besides, the fucking noise in the office when you’re on the phone to someone in comparison to when at home. Staggering how I ever got anything done there.

 

[shmmeee]

Where have I said I don't care about my job? It's a different thing from doing more than you are actually paid to do. My ethos is to do what you're paid to do and do it well.

I don't have any shares, though I possibly wish I did have given the company share price has increased over 100% in the 7 years since I started. That said, on the downside employee share options come with potentially considerable downsides as well which put me off.

Sorry I thought that’s what you were implying by asking why I cared how much work I did. The other reason is I work on an output not hours basis, I don’t have set hours I need to be available as long as I’m in meetings and completing my tasks. It’s in my interests to be productive even aside from any financial reward.

You seem upset other people have a different working style to you. I’m sorry you don’t like working from home, others have a different opinion.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

In my current job I review a lot of documentation people produce at home, and tbh, they all need to get back in the office and to start asking for help.

As a someone who runs a small business, I've certainly noticed quite a drop off in both the quality & especially the efficiency in some back office functions from my suppliers & customers when their staff are WFH.
Just frustrating & unnecessary delays in simple things like getting price & lead-time info, or waiting for someone to raise a purchase order.....all has a detrimental knock on effect to my & their business.....

 

[Deleted member 9744]

It’s different for everyone, I also feel I’m far more productive from home and my KPIs suggest that. I don’t see a direct benefit to me going into an office, having to travel an hour each way and pay the cost of said travel. People newer to the role that I’m in would see great benefits and I get the angle of some of my knowledge rubbing off on them, but the newest recruit on our team joined 4 years ago.

Besides, the fucking noise in the office when you’re on the phone to someone in comparison to when at home. Staggering how I ever got anything done there.

I agree. Bizarrely the benefits of going in are for the employees who miss the social aspect. For most employers the cost in terms of office costs and loss of productivity are substantial.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Sorry I thought that’s what you were implying by asking why I cared how much work I did. The other reason is I work on an output not hours basis, I don’t have set hours I need to be available as long as I’m in meetings and completing my tasks. It’s in my interests to be productive even aside from any financial reward.

You seem upset other people have a different working style to you. I’m sorry you don’t like working from home, others have a different opinion.

I'm not upset! I challenge the notion that people are inherently less productive in an office environment because I don't believe it to be true. That said, I certainly don't advocate people being forced into work for no good reason.

Your workplace sounds pretty progressive, I agree with the measure of work being output not hours, arbitrary contracted hours belong in industry that is for the most part long gone.

 

[AOM]

I've liked being back in the office sporadically since they've re-opened. Makes a nice change of scenery, but it's also been good to be able to balance with a days still working from home.
Have found I'm a lot more productive in the office though. Having a tab to this site open from home most of the time definitely doesn't help...