No you said that you and some people you know have already applied.
You can either admit you lied or you can keep digging.
Ive said we’ve been assured the scheme will be as per the rules very clearly laid out and those people fitting the criteria there is no issues with.
Didn’t I provide a link? I’m sure there is nothing to be worried about
Russian mercy mission to Italy is a front for intelligence gathering, British expert warns
Excellent news. Will be great to start getting a little bit of normality back after everything everyone has been through. Good to see the numbers are still going the right way.Yeah it slowly climbed up to just under 30c yesterday but back down to 25c today. We have a small terrace so have been able to enjoy it enough but of course it’s not the same.
From tomorrow they’ve actually removed a restriction in Veneto so we can finally go for a walk if we are alone and wearing a mask and gloves, better than nothing I suppose!!
I reckon by the end of June everything will be reopened again and I expect to be back in the office in a month’s time.
How are your family getting on in France?
Seriously, you don’t think the message they are trying to push home is that the numberNot quite sure where you’ve heard (or how you’ve interpreted) that. There’s constant re-enforcing of the self isolation message and an underlying narrative that if the public don’t follow the current measures stronger ones could be implemented, however, all I’ve heard by enlarge, is praise for a majority of public’s response to date
You blamed the Tuscan community for the outbreak in Lombardia, it’s like blaming a community in Sheffield for an outbreak in London.
It’s a narrative that’s been pushed by the far-right.
The spread of the virus isn't down to any single event. But idiots not doing as advised spreads it faster. Having freedom to move around easily should change. It is those spreading it around that are then infecting those looking after them.Seriously, you don’t think the message they are trying to push home is that the number
Of deaths is dependent on people’s actions regarding the lockdown ‘and nothing at all
To do with the lack of testing, lack of PPE, slow early response, mixed messages, lack
Of clarity regarding lockdown etc.
They are doing what they always do in a situation where blame will inevitably have to
Be laid somewhere and at some point, they are setting the toned, preparing the ground
And it works ‘people already up in arms about people in the park ‘whilst turning a blind
Eye to Nurses dying through lack of PPE.
Hahaha classic!!No I said it’s a possible cause due to high concentration of Chinese - many treated appallingly - and the fact it is many more flights to and from there on a regular basis.
It also of course sparked a string of racist attacks on Chinese in Italy who blamed them - here are some far right publications discussing this
'As if we were the disease': coronavirus brings prejudice for Italy's Chinese workers
China, Italy, and Coronavirus: Geopolitics and Propaganda
Italy | Global Slavery Index
I’m sure I’ve seen something of this, were they connected to the motor industryI was referring to an underclass of Chinese workers which is of course accurate
That link is paywalled for me and I'm not going to be contributing to a paper which has morons like Toby Young writing for it, so could you paste the part where the Russian military are enforcing lockdown in Italy
Hahaha classic!!
Let’s just ignore the fact that you were trying to suggest the Tuscan Chinese community were to blame like the far right have done here.
I doubt those publications were trying to spread the same bullshit that you were.
Yawn yawn Toby Young
Stage 3 of the Grendel school of arguing. Deflect, deflect, deflect.Says the Italian minister of propaganda
Haha if you post utter bullshit it’s going to get called out.Says the Italian minister of propaganda
It's only like any market in any of the far east, nothing in what I saw of that clip was alarming
Stage 3 of the Grendel school of arguing. Deflect, deflect, deflect.
Caught lying out your arse three times in one day, Grenners. Must be a new record.
Haha if you post utter bullshit it’s going to get called out.
Corona in reverse
It’s here if you want to remind yourself of your ludicrous claim.
I’ve held my hands up and said that I was majorly wrong.
David? Thought you were against tinfoil hat conspiracy theories? Guess have to constantly deflect from the utter bullshit you post is starting to get to you.arent you a subscriber either David?
I’ve held my hands up and said that I was majorly wrong.
Pathetic attempt at deflecting again.
David? Thought you were against tinfoil hat conspiracy theories? Guess have to constantly deflect from the utter bullshit you post is starting to get to you.
For anyone whose not keeping track it's now having already signed up for a not yet active furlough system, the Russian army enforcing lockdown in Italy and illegal immigrants in Tuscany causing an outbreak in Lombardia that Grendel here has lied about and is desperately trying to deflect from.
Maybe it's Macron or the EU's fault that you somehow can't stop the ever-flow stream of utter bullshit flowing from your mouth. You haven't randomly brought them up for while.
hahaha pathetic, I was not a chief agitator and even posted a link to Full Fact which you then used to back up your own argument.It’s not though and you were still saying it after shake hands gate and yet with hindsight are one of the chief agitators on that discussion
Seriously, you don’t think the message they are trying to push home is that the number
Of deaths is dependent on people’s actions regarding the lockdown ‘and nothing at all
To do with the lack of testing, lack of PPE, slow early response, mixed messages, lack
Of clarity regarding lockdown etc.
They are doing what they always do in a situation where blame will inevitably have to
Be laid somewhere and at some point, they are setting the toned, preparing the ground
And it works ‘people already up in arms about people in the park ‘whilst turning a blind
Eye to Nurses dying through lack of PPE.
i saw some reporting that they’re limiting animals for consumption and for example removing dog from the list. The weirdest thing I saw on the new list was raccoon I think. Looks like there’s going to be some changes in terms of what’s eaten legally even if the conditions don’t improve. Small wins. They must realise what impact this is going to have on their international reputation.
It’s not though and you were still saying it after shake hands gate and yet with hindsight are one of the chief agitators on that discussion
A Russian military mission that is in Italy ostensibly to help tackle the coronavirus crisis will be covertly gathering vital intelligence, a British expert warned on Thursday.Read the links? Oh of course you can’t
FFS, you can’t even eat a raccoon now, what’s the world coming to !
A Russian military mission that is in Italy ostensibly to help tackle the coronavirus crisis will be covertly gathering vital intelligence, a British expert warned on Thursday.
The team of more than 100 Russian soldiers, including experts in chemical and biological warfare, arrived in Italy last week, with their equipment stamped with logos reading “From Russia with Love”.
But the mission has raised suspicion in Italian political and military circles, with sources telling the Italian media that “80 per cent” of the equipment the Russians flew in on massive transport planes was “useless” and was being used as a pretext for the intervention.
One of Britain’s foremost experts on chemical and biological warfare said it was very likely the contingent contained military intelligence officers from the GRU, the Russian equivalent of MI6.
They will use the deployment to Italy as an opportunity to gather intelligence on everything from the Italian military to transportation systems, he said.
“It’s like all their Christmases have come at once,” said Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment. “It would be naïve to think that they are not collecting intelligence. This is an open goal for them.”
He said he found it odd that the Italian government had allowed the deployment to go ahead.
“It’s incongruous that the Russians have been allowed into a Nato country on very superfluous grounds,” he told The Telegraph. The Italians had little need for extra chemical, biological and radiological resources.
“They are leaders in CBRN in Nato and within the EU. They are seen as the gold standard and have strong capability. I don’t think they need a batch of ageing Russian equipment,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who left the British Army in 2012 with the rank of colonel.
The fact that the mission is being led by a general, Sergei Kikot, is also suspicious.
“Usually, for a mission of 100 soldiers or so you would expect a major to be in charge, or at most a colonel. To have a two-star general commanding them seems like overkill.”
With Russia not yet badly affected by the virus, Moscow is taking advantage of the West’s vulnerability.
“The Russians are brilliant at this. While there’s a big noise on your left, you do something on the right because no one is looking.”
Offering help to Italy during the coronavirus emergency was sharply at odds with Moscow’s actions in Syria. “I help to run hospitals in Syria, where they were bombed to smithereens by the Russians. Now they are disinfecting hospitals in Italy. It’s Jekyll and Hyde,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who is now a director of Doctors Under Fire, a charity which works in Syria.
After an agreement was done between Giuseppe Conte, Italy’s prime minister, and Russian president Vladimir Putin, 15 Ilyushin Il-76 military transport planes landed at a military air force base south of Rome.
After unloading their cargo, a convoy of their own trucks flying Russian flags drove north to Lombardy, the worst affected region in Italy.
The dispatch of Russian aid to Italy was widely covered on Russian state television, with each step of the way filmed and broadcast on the main TV channels.
Russia’s defence ministry would not release the full list of the supplies sent to Italy but said they included a mobile lab for testing for viruses, disinfecting equipment and unspecified equipment designed to “help patients with coronavirus.”
The defence ministry issues a daily bulletin about its activities in Italy, recounting how the Russian specialists have helped to disinfect hospitals and nursing homes.
As well as General Kikot, who has worked on responding to anthrax outbreaks, the team is reported to include Colonel Gennady Eremin, an expert in bacteriological warfare who worked on the swine flu crisis, and Colonel Viacheslav Kulish, an expert in biological agent protective gear.
A Kremlin spokesman dismissed reports suggesting that Moscow sent the mission in the hope that Italy would use its influence to get the EU to lift sanctions against Russia.
“There certainly isn’t any discussion of any conditions or hopes or expectations,” Dmitry Peskov said last week.
“Italy does need large amounts of aid, and what Russia is doing is providing the help that we can give. It’s absurd to suggest that we’re hoping for something else in return, that’s not the case.”
Luigi Di Maio, Italy’s foreign minister, has bristled at criticism over accepting help from Russia, saying that in such a critical moment, all assistance is welcome.
The Russians may also be trying to find out more about the deadly nature of Covid-19 in order to better fight the virus in their own country, said Germano Dottori, professor of strategic studies at LUISS University in Rome. “This is a fact-finding mission by Russia,” he said.
There is a copy of the entire article. Please point out the part where is say that the Russian military are patrolling the streets of Italy enforcing the lockdown as you claimed.
I know you're bored, stuck inside, but I have to say on both sides of tge argument, you're nothing more than petty point scoring pricks. Reading through it really is embarrassing. Try to leave this thread, it's unhealthy and about as useful as the ridiculously lengthy Brexit one. We know which side of the fence you're on, yet some of you have to kedp reminding us by posting on every single page. Have a wank, go for a run, speak to your family, watch Netflix but ffs get off this thread. Imagine if you contract Covid and your last 2 weeks were spent arguing on here?
I’ve held my hands up and said that I was majorly wrong.
Pathetic attempt at deflecting again.[/QUOTE
I made two mistakes in my life. But nothing Divorce couldn't fix
A Russian military mission that is in Italy ostensibly to help tackle the coronavirus crisis will be covertly gathering vital intelligence, a British expert warned on Thursday.
The team of more than 100 Russian soldiers, including experts in chemical and biological warfare, arrived in Italy last week, with their equipment stamped with logos reading “From Russia with Love”.
But the mission has raised suspicion in Italian political and military circles, with sources telling the Italian media that “80 per cent” of the equipment the Russians flew in on massive transport planes was “useless” and was being used as a pretext for the intervention.
One of Britain’s foremost experts on chemical and biological warfare said it was very likely the contingent contained military intelligence officers from the GRU, the Russian equivalent of MI6.
They will use the deployment to Italy as an opportunity to gather intelligence on everything from the Italian military to transportation systems, he said.
“It’s like all their Christmases have come at once,” said Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment. “It would be naïve to think that they are not collecting intelligence. This is an open goal for them.”
He said he found it odd that the Italian government had allowed the deployment to go ahead.
“It’s incongruous that the Russians have been allowed into a Nato country on very superfluous grounds,” he told The Telegraph. The Italians had little need for extra chemical, biological and radiological resources.
“They are leaders in CBRN in Nato and within the EU. They are seen as the gold standard and have strong capability. I don’t think they need a batch of ageing Russian equipment,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who left the British Army in 2012 with the rank of colonel.
The fact that the mission is being led by a general, Sergei Kikot, is also suspicious.
“Usually, for a mission of 100 soldiers or so you would expect a major to be in charge, or at most a colonel. To have a two-star general commanding them seems like overkill.”
With Russia not yet badly affected by the virus, Moscow is taking advantage of the West’s vulnerability.
“The Russians are brilliant at this. While there’s a big noise on your left, you do something on the right because no one is looking.”
Offering help to Italy during the coronavirus emergency was sharply at odds with Moscow’s actions in Syria. “I help to run hospitals in Syria, where they were bombed to smithereens by the Russians. Now they are disinfecting hospitals in Italy. It’s Jekyll and Hyde,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who is now a director of Doctors Under Fire, a charity which works in Syria.
After an agreement was done between Giuseppe Conte, Italy’s prime minister, and Russian president Vladimir Putin, 15 Ilyushin Il-76 military transport planes landed at a military air force base south of Rome.
After unloading their cargo, a convoy of their own trucks flying Russian flags drove north to Lombardy, the worst affected region in Italy.
The dispatch of Russian aid to Italy was widely covered on Russian state television, with each step of the way filmed and broadcast on the main TV channels.
Russia’s defence ministry would not release the full list of the supplies sent to Italy but said they included a mobile lab for testing for viruses, disinfecting equipment and unspecified equipment designed to “help patients with coronavirus.”
The defence ministry issues a daily bulletin about its activities in Italy, recounting how the Russian specialists have helped to disinfect hospitals and nursing homes.
As well as General Kikot, who has worked on responding to anthrax outbreaks, the team is reported to include Colonel Gennady Eremin, an expert in bacteriological warfare who worked on the swine flu crisis, and Colonel Viacheslav Kulish, an expert in biological agent protective gear.
A Kremlin spokesman dismissed reports suggesting that Moscow sent the mission in the hope that Italy would use its influence to get the EU to lift sanctions against Russia.
“There certainly isn’t any discussion of any conditions or hopes or expectations,” Dmitry Peskov said last week.
“Italy does need large amounts of aid, and what Russia is doing is providing the help that we can give. It’s absurd to suggest that we’re hoping for something else in return, that’s not the case.”
Luigi Di Maio, Italy’s foreign minister, has bristled at criticism over accepting help from Russia, saying that in such a critical moment, all assistance is welcome.
The Russians may also be trying to find out more about the deadly nature of Covid-19 in order to better fight the virus in their own country, said Germano Dottori, professor of strategic studies at LUISS University in Rome. “This is a fact-finding mission by Russia,” he said.
There is a copy of the entire article. Please point out the part where is say that the Russian military are patrolling the streets of Italy enforcing the lockdown as you claimed.
Which version of Cov-ID do you mean? The one where you stay at home for 2 weeks utterly wiped out before you even begin to recover or the version Boris had where you spend 3 nights in intensive care but somehow miraculously recover in next to no time despite being close to death?
Alligator is eaten quite a lot in southern states of the US, raccoons too. There’s even an annual raccoon eating festival in Minnesota.Was offered alligator once in Shenzhen (to eat, not to take home with me)- apparently that’s quite popular though even over here. But Raccoon? Wouldn’t be rushing to order that one.
Even that article doesn’t mention the Russian military patrolling the streets to enforce the lockdown, it’s just mentions they’ve been sent in to help, which as discussed in the Telegraph article is primarily to help with distribution of supplies and setting up mobile testing centres etc.To be fair this was the original article he posted ' Coronavirus: Lockdown tightens in parts of Italy hardest hit by COVID-19
You know what, I don’t want to go all conspiracy theory at all - but it’s bugging me and has been these last couple of days.Ah it’s started
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