Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (192 Viewers)

[Grendel]

David? Thought you were against tinfoil hat conspiracy theories? Guess have to constantly deflect from the utter bullshit you post is starting to get to you.

For anyone whose not keeping track it's now having already signed up for a not yet active furlough system, the Russian army enforcing lockdown in Italy and illegal immigrants in Tuscany causing an outbreak in Lombardia that Grendel here has lied about and is desperately trying to deflect from.

Maybe it's Macron or the EU's fault that you somehow can't stop the ever-flow stream of utter bullshit flowing from your mouth. You haven't randomly brought them up for while.

Read the links? Oh of course you can’t

 

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[Sick Boy]

It’s not though and you were still saying it after shake hands gate and yet with hindsight are one of the chief agitators on that discussion

hahaha pathetic, I was not a chief agitator and even posted a link to Full Fact which you then used to back up your own argument.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Seriously, you don’t think the message they are trying to push home is that the number
Of deaths is dependent on people’s actions regarding the lockdown ‘and nothing at all
To do with the lack of testing, lack of PPE, slow early response, mixed messages, lack
Of clarity regarding lockdown etc.
They are doing what they always do in a situation where blame will inevitably have to
Be laid somewhere and at some point, they are setting the toned, preparing the ground
And it works ‘people already up in arms about people in the park ‘whilst turning a blind
Eye to Nurses dying through lack of PPE.

Of course the actions of public will determine the number of cases and in turn the number of deaths (and its right to keep reiterating the message to encourage the correct behaviours). But fact that every briefing Ive seen comments have been about how well the public are following the measures I can’t see how the government is looking to pass the blame ? (if they wanted to do that surely they’d be saying enough people aren’t following the measures at every briefing ?)

The public are quite rightly pissed off if people are ignoring the rules whilst the rest of us are following them but also every day there is rightly plenty of media/comments about PPE and medical professionals dying so I don’t think anyone’s turning a blind eye

I supposed people will hear and see what they want to to some extent though

 

[CCFCSteve]

i saw some reporting that they’re limiting animals for consumption and for example removing dog from the list. The weirdest thing I saw on the new list was raccoon I think. Looks like there’s going to be some changes in terms of what’s eaten legally even if the conditions don’t improve. Small wins. They must realise what impact this is going to have on their international reputation.

FFS, you can’t even eat a raccoon now, what’s the world coming to !

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It’s not though and you were still saying it after shake hands gate and yet with hindsight are one of the chief agitators on that discussion

Where does he say that coronavirus is all a big joke? Or is that made up as well?

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Read the links? Oh of course you can’t

A Russian military mission that is in Italy ostensibly to help tackle the coronavirus crisis will be covertly gathering vital intelligence, a British expert warned on Thursday.

The team of more than 100 Russian soldiers, including experts in chemical and biological warfare, arrived in Italy last week, with their equipment stamped with logos reading “From Russia with Love”.

But the mission has raised suspicion in Italian political and military circles, with sources telling the Italian media that “80 per cent” of the equipment the Russians flew in on massive transport planes was “useless” and was being used as a pretext for the intervention.

One of Britain’s foremost experts on chemical and biological warfare said it was very likely the contingent contained military intelligence officers from the GRU, the Russian equivalent of MI6.

They will use the deployment to Italy as an opportunity to gather intelligence on everything from the Italian military to transportation systems, he said.

“It’s like all their Christmases have come at once,” said Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment. “It would be naïve to think that they are not collecting intelligence. This is an open goal for them.”

He said he found it odd that the Italian government had allowed the deployment to go ahead.

“It’s incongruous that the Russians have been allowed into a Nato country on very superfluous grounds,” he told The Telegraph. The Italians had little need for extra chemical, biological and radiological resources.

“They are leaders in CBRN in Nato and within the EU. They are seen as the gold standard and have strong capability. I don’t think they need a batch of ageing Russian equipment,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who left the British Army in 2012 with the rank of colonel.

The fact that the mission is being led by a general, Sergei Kikot, is also suspicious.

“Usually, for a mission of 100 soldiers or so you would expect a major to be in charge, or at most a colonel. To have a two-star general commanding them seems like overkill.”

With Russia not yet badly affected by the virus, Moscow is taking advantage of the West’s vulnerability.

“The Russians are brilliant at this. While there’s a big noise on your left, you do something on the right because no one is looking.”

Offering help to Italy during the coronavirus emergency was sharply at odds with Moscow’s actions in Syria. “I help to run hospitals in Syria, where they were bombed to smithereens by the Russians. Now they are disinfecting hospitals in Italy. It’s Jekyll and Hyde,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who is now a director of Doctors Under Fire, a charity which works in Syria.

After an agreement was done between Giuseppe Conte, Italy’s prime minister, and Russian president Vladimir Putin, 15 Ilyushin Il-76 military transport planes landed at a military air force base south of Rome.

After unloading their cargo, a convoy of their own trucks flying Russian flags drove north to Lombardy, the worst affected region in Italy.

The dispatch of Russian aid to Italy was widely covered on Russian state television, with each step of the way filmed and broadcast on the main TV channels.

Russia’s defence ministry would not release the full list of the supplies sent to Italy but said they included a mobile lab for testing for viruses, disinfecting equipment and unspecified equipment designed to “help patients with coronavirus.”

The defence ministry issues a daily bulletin about its activities in Italy, recounting how the Russian specialists have helped to disinfect hospitals and nursing homes.

As well as General Kikot, who has worked on responding to anthrax outbreaks, the team is reported to include Colonel Gennady Eremin, an expert in bacteriological warfare who worked on the swine flu crisis, and Colonel Viacheslav Kulish, an expert in biological agent protective gear.

A Kremlin spokesman dismissed reports suggesting that Moscow sent the mission in the hope that Italy would use its influence to get the EU to lift sanctions against Russia.

“There certainly isn’t any discussion of any conditions or hopes or expectations,” Dmitry Peskov said last week.

“Italy does need large amounts of aid, and what Russia is doing is providing the help that we can give. It’s absurd to suggest that we’re hoping for something else in return, that’s not the case.”

Luigi Di Maio, Italy’s foreign minister, has bristled at criticism over accepting help from Russia, saying that in such a critical moment, all assistance is welcome.

The Russians may also be trying to find out more about the deadly nature of Covid-19 in order to better fight the virus in their own country, said Germano Dottori, professor of strategic studies at LUISS University in Rome. “This is a fact-finding mission by Russia,” he said.

There is a copy of the entire article. Please point out the part where is say that the Russian military are patrolling the streets of Italy enforcing the lockdown as you claimed.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

FFS, you can’t even eat a raccoon now, what’s the world coming to !

Was offered alligator once in Shenzhen (to eat, not to take home with me)- apparently that’s quite popular though even over here. But Raccoon? Wouldn’t be rushing to order that one.

 

[Sick Boy]

A Russian military mission that is in Italy ostensibly to help tackle the coronavirus crisis will be covertly gathering vital intelligence, a British expert warned on Thursday.

The team of more than 100 Russian soldiers, including experts in chemical and biological warfare, arrived in Italy last week, with their equipment stamped with logos reading “From Russia with Love”.

But the mission has raised suspicion in Italian political and military circles, with sources telling the Italian media that “80 per cent” of the equipment the Russians flew in on massive transport planes was “useless” and was being used as a pretext for the intervention.

One of Britain’s foremost experts on chemical and biological warfare said it was very likely the contingent contained military intelligence officers from the GRU, the Russian equivalent of MI6.

They will use the deployment to Italy as an opportunity to gather intelligence on everything from the Italian military to transportation systems, he said.

“It’s like all their Christmases have come at once,” said Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment. “It would be naïve to think that they are not collecting intelligence. This is an open goal for them.”

He said he found it odd that the Italian government had allowed the deployment to go ahead.

“It’s incongruous that the Russians have been allowed into a Nato country on very superfluous grounds,” he told The Telegraph. The Italians had little need for extra chemical, biological and radiological resources.

“They are leaders in CBRN in Nato and within the EU. They are seen as the gold standard and have strong capability. I don’t think they need a batch of ageing Russian equipment,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who left the British Army in 2012 with the rank of colonel.

The fact that the mission is being led by a general, Sergei Kikot, is also suspicious.

“Usually, for a mission of 100 soldiers or so you would expect a major to be in charge, or at most a colonel. To have a two-star general commanding them seems like overkill.”

With Russia not yet badly affected by the virus, Moscow is taking advantage of the West’s vulnerability.

“The Russians are brilliant at this. While there’s a big noise on your left, you do something on the right because no one is looking.”

Offering help to Italy during the coronavirus emergency was sharply at odds with Moscow’s actions in Syria. “I help to run hospitals in Syria, where they were bombed to smithereens by the Russians. Now they are disinfecting hospitals in Italy. It’s Jekyll and Hyde,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who is now a director of Doctors Under Fire, a charity which works in Syria.

After an agreement was done between Giuseppe Conte, Italy’s prime minister, and Russian president Vladimir Putin, 15 Ilyushin Il-76 military transport planes landed at a military air force base south of Rome.

After unloading their cargo, a convoy of their own trucks flying Russian flags drove north to Lombardy, the worst affected region in Italy.

The dispatch of Russian aid to Italy was widely covered on Russian state television, with each step of the way filmed and broadcast on the main TV channels.

Russia’s defence ministry would not release the full list of the supplies sent to Italy but said they included a mobile lab for testing for viruses, disinfecting equipment and unspecified equipment designed to “help patients with coronavirus.”

The defence ministry issues a daily bulletin about its activities in Italy, recounting how the Russian specialists have helped to disinfect hospitals and nursing homes.

As well as General Kikot, who has worked on responding to anthrax outbreaks, the team is reported to include Colonel Gennady Eremin, an expert in bacteriological warfare who worked on the swine flu crisis, and Colonel Viacheslav Kulish, an expert in biological agent protective gear.

A Kremlin spokesman dismissed reports suggesting that Moscow sent the mission in the hope that Italy would use its influence to get the EU to lift sanctions against Russia.

“There certainly isn’t any discussion of any conditions or hopes or expectations,” Dmitry Peskov said last week.

“Italy does need large amounts of aid, and what Russia is doing is providing the help that we can give. It’s absurd to suggest that we’re hoping for something else in return, that’s not the case.”

Luigi Di Maio, Italy’s foreign minister, has bristled at criticism over accepting help from Russia, saying that in such a critical moment, all assistance is welcome.

The Russians may also be trying to find out more about the deadly nature of Covid-19 in order to better fight the virus in their own country, said Germano Dottori, professor of strategic studies at LUISS University in Rome. “This is a fact-finding mission by Russia,” he said.

There is a copy of the entire article. Please point out the part where is say that the Russian military are patrolling the streets of Italy enforcing the lockdown as you claimed.

To be fair this was the original article he posted ' Coronavirus: Lockdown tightens in parts of Italy hardest hit by COVID-19

 

[Ian1779]

I know you're bored, stuck inside, but I have to say on both sides of tge argument, you're nothing more than petty point scoring pricks. Reading through it really is embarrassing. Try to leave this thread, it's unhealthy and about as useful as the ridiculously lengthy Brexit one. We know which side of the fence you're on, yet some of you have to kedp reminding us by posting on every single page. Have a wank, go for a run, speak to your family, watch Netflix but ffs get off this thread. Imagine if you contract Covid and your last 2 weeks were spent arguing on here?

Which version of Cov-ID do you mean? The one where you stay at home for 2 weeks utterly wiped out before you even begin to recover or the version Boris had where you spend 3 nights in intensive care but somehow miraculously recover in next to no time despite being close to death?

 

[Johhny Blue]

I’ve held my hands up and said that I was majorly wrong.
Pathetic attempt at deflecting again.[/QUOTE

I made two mistakes in my life. But nothing Divorce couldn't fix

 

[Grendel]

A Russian military mission that is in Italy ostensibly to help tackle the coronavirus crisis will be covertly gathering vital intelligence, a British expert warned on Thursday.

The team of more than 100 Russian soldiers, including experts in chemical and biological warfare, arrived in Italy last week, with their equipment stamped with logos reading “From Russia with Love”.

But the mission has raised suspicion in Italian political and military circles, with sources telling the Italian media that “80 per cent” of the equipment the Russians flew in on massive transport planes was “useless” and was being used as a pretext for the intervention.

One of Britain’s foremost experts on chemical and biological warfare said it was very likely the contingent contained military intelligence officers from the GRU, the Russian equivalent of MI6.

They will use the deployment to Italy as an opportunity to gather intelligence on everything from the Italian military to transportation systems, he said.

“It’s like all their Christmases have come at once,” said Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment. “It would be naïve to think that they are not collecting intelligence. This is an open goal for them.”

He said he found it odd that the Italian government had allowed the deployment to go ahead.

“It’s incongruous that the Russians have been allowed into a Nato country on very superfluous grounds,” he told The Telegraph. The Italians had little need for extra chemical, biological and radiological resources.

“They are leaders in CBRN in Nato and within the EU. They are seen as the gold standard and have strong capability. I don’t think they need a batch of ageing Russian equipment,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who left the British Army in 2012 with the rank of colonel.

The fact that the mission is being led by a general, Sergei Kikot, is also suspicious.

“Usually, for a mission of 100 soldiers or so you would expect a major to be in charge, or at most a colonel. To have a two-star general commanding them seems like overkill.”

With Russia not yet badly affected by the virus, Moscow is taking advantage of the West’s vulnerability.

“The Russians are brilliant at this. While there’s a big noise on your left, you do something on the right because no one is looking.”

Offering help to Italy during the coronavirus emergency was sharply at odds with Moscow’s actions in Syria. “I help to run hospitals in Syria, where they were bombed to smithereens by the Russians. Now they are disinfecting hospitals in Italy. It’s Jekyll and Hyde,” said Mr de Bretton-Gordon, who is now a director of Doctors Under Fire, a charity which works in Syria.

After an agreement was done between Giuseppe Conte, Italy’s prime minister, and Russian president Vladimir Putin, 15 Ilyushin Il-76 military transport planes landed at a military air force base south of Rome.

After unloading their cargo, a convoy of their own trucks flying Russian flags drove north to Lombardy, the worst affected region in Italy.

The dispatch of Russian aid to Italy was widely covered on Russian state television, with each step of the way filmed and broadcast on the main TV channels.

Russia’s defence ministry would not release the full list of the supplies sent to Italy but said they included a mobile lab for testing for viruses, disinfecting equipment and unspecified equipment designed to “help patients with coronavirus.”

The defence ministry issues a daily bulletin about its activities in Italy, recounting how the Russian specialists have helped to disinfect hospitals and nursing homes.

As well as General Kikot, who has worked on responding to anthrax outbreaks, the team is reported to include Colonel Gennady Eremin, an expert in bacteriological warfare who worked on the swine flu crisis, and Colonel Viacheslav Kulish, an expert in biological agent protective gear.

A Kremlin spokesman dismissed reports suggesting that Moscow sent the mission in the hope that Italy would use its influence to get the EU to lift sanctions against Russia.

“There certainly isn’t any discussion of any conditions or hopes or expectations,” Dmitry Peskov said last week.

“Italy does need large amounts of aid, and what Russia is doing is providing the help that we can give. It’s absurd to suggest that we’re hoping for something else in return, that’s not the case.”

Luigi Di Maio, Italy’s foreign minister, has bristled at criticism over accepting help from Russia, saying that in such a critical moment, all assistance is welcome.

The Russians may also be trying to find out more about the deadly nature of Covid-19 in order to better fight the virus in their own country, said Germano Dottori, professor of strategic studies at LUISS University in Rome. “This is a fact-finding mission by Russia,” he said.

There is a copy of the entire article. Please point out the part where is say that the Russian military are patrolling the streets of Italy enforcing the lockdown as you claimed.

I didn’t claim that David - however I’m sure if Mr Johnson had called Mr Putin for assistance you’d be - well somewhat less excited

 

[Grendel]

Which version of Cov-ID do you mean? The one where you stay at home for 2 weeks utterly wiped out before you even begin to recover or the version Boris had where you spend 3 nights in intensive care but somehow miraculously recover in next to no time despite being close to death?

Ah it’s started

 

[skybluetony176]

Was offered alligator once in Shenzhen (to eat, not to take home with me)- apparently that’s quite popular though even over here. But Raccoon? Wouldn’t be rushing to order that one.

Alligator is eaten quite a lot in southern states of the US, raccoons too. There’s even an annual raccoon eating festival in Minnesota.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

To be fair this was the original article he posted ' Coronavirus: Lockdown tightens in parts of Italy hardest hit by COVID-19

Even that article doesn’t mention the Russian military patrolling the streets to enforce the lockdown, it’s just mentions they’ve been sent in to help, which as discussed in the Telegraph article is primarily to help with distribution of supplies and setting up mobile testing centres etc.

 

[Ian1779]

Ah it’s started

You know what, I don’t want to go all conspiracy theory at all - but it’s bugging me and has been these last couple of days.

I am glad he’s out of hospital and glad he’s on the mend... but does it sit totally logically with you given some of the testimonies from members of this forum about having it?

 

[Ian1779]

Alligator is eaten quite a lot in southern states of the US, raccoons too. There’s even an annual raccoon eating festival in Minnesota.

I ate an alligator burger in a kebab shop in Northampton once.

 

[Grendel]

Oh for my many admirers on this thread just to warn you my battery is low and in taking my dog for a walk so if it’s flat I’m not succumbing to the powerful educated machine that is mini David or the psychologist/finance expert/construction employee/accountant

Cheers

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I didn’t claim that David - however I’m sure if Mr Johnson had called Mr Putin for assistance you’d be - well somewhat less excited

Somewhat hilarious that you've decided that me and David are the same person while also calling out others for tinfoil fat conspiracy theories. Again with the deflection when caught chatting shit. Still waiting to hear what part of that article you wanted me to read that supported the point you were trying to make, instead of actually addressing that you've decided to go off on some sort of irrelevant tangent about Johnson and Putin.

 

[Grendel]

You know what, I don’t want to go all conspiracy theory at all - but it’s bugging me and has been these last couple of days.

I am glad he’s out of hospital and glad he’s on the mend... but does it sit totally logically with you given some of the testimonies from members of this forum about having it?

he didn’t have to go on a ventilator. Also it was said even ICU was precautionary as they would want to monitor his vital signs so it’s really not a great mystery

 

[Grendel]

Somewhat hilarious that you've decided that me and David are the same person while also calling out others for tinfoil fat conspiracy theories. Again with the deflection when caught chatting shit. Still waiting to hear what part of that article you wanted me to read that supported the point you were trying to make, instead of actually addressing that you've decided to go off on some sort of irrelevant tangent about Johnson and Putin.

I love the internet word deflection

“labour have issues with anti Semitic behaviour”

response “so do the Tories”

So the left it seems own the definition of tbf word

 

[skybluetony176]

I ate an alligator burger in a kebab shop in Northampton once.

Halal alligator?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Somewhat hilarious that you've decided that me and David are the same person while also calling out others for tinfoil fat conspiracy theories. Again with the deflection when caught chatting shit. Still waiting to hear what part of that article you wanted me to read that supported the point you were trying to make, instead of actually addressing that you've decided to go off on some sort of irrelevant tangent about Johnson and Putin.

He does that when he’s flustered- he accused me me of actually being some guy called “Mart” for ages. Don’t get the need to make things up and tell so many lies, but there you go, each to their own. He’s right about one thing, mind, it’s time to walk the dog

 

[Sick Boy]

Halal alligator?

I think I might have eaten it in a Walkabout at some point many years ago.

 

[skybluetony176]

I ate an alligator burger in a kebab shop in Northampton once.

Did it take long to cook or did they make it snappy?

 

[skybluetony176]

I think I might have eaten it in a Walkabout at some point many years ago.

Didn’t they used to do a kangaroo steak also?

 

[TomRad85]

Halal alligator?

Halaligator

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[Grendel]

He does that when he’s flustered- he accused me me of actually being some guy called “Mart” for ages. Don’t get the need to make things up and tell so many lies, but there you go, each to their own. He’s right about one thing, mind, it’s time to walk the dog

Im really not flustered and when an don’t go “yeah pal whatever each to his own”

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I love the internet word deflection

“labour have issues with anti Semitic behaviour”

response “so do the Tories”

So the left it seems own the definition of tbf word

Congratulations, that may be your most irrelevant post yet.

Don't worry, I'll just accept your inability to answer a straight question as an admission that you know you're wrong.

 

[David O'Day]

Somewhat hilarious that you've decided that me and David are the same person while also calling out others for tinfoil fat conspiracy theories. Again with the deflection when caught chatting shit. Still waiting to hear what part of that article you wanted me to read that supported the point you were trying to make, instead of actually addressing that you've decided to go off on some sort of irrelevant tangent about Johnson and Putin.

He thinks we're the same person?

Fuck me sideways grenners is a weirdo

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[David O'Day]

Alligator is eaten quite a lot in southern states of the US, raccoons too. There’s even an annual raccoon eating festival in Minnesota.

They eat dirt in parts of the southern USA as well.

Weird

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[Grendel]

Congratulations, that may be your most irrelevant post yet.

Don't worry, I'll just accept your inability to answer a straight question as an admission that you know you're wrong.

I guess if I was a member of the left my deflection technique would be say “what about Ukraine” still if you believe you have achieved a victory I’m genuinely excited for you

 

[Grendel]

He thinks we're the same person?

Fuck me sideways grenners is a weirdo

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To be fair David there is only one you (aside from the fact any attempt at multi tasking would I suspect stretch your mental capacity to the limit) - he more I think aspires to be yoy - you of course alas will not see this post as you have me on ignore

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I guess if I was a member of the left my deflection technique would be say “what about Ukraine” still if you believe you have achieved a victory I’m genuinely excited for you

Achieving victory over you is no accomplishment. It’s like winning a boxing match against a toddler.

Your big ‘gotcha’ Ukraine comment makes absolute no sense by the way.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Was offered alligator once in Shenzhen (to eat, not to take home with me)- apparently that’s quite popular though even over here. But Raccoon? Wouldn’t be rushing to order that one.

Up until, oh, four weeks ago, I'd always thought I'd try anything once!

 

[Nick]

I've had a kangaroo burger, it was a bit weird