Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (6 Viewers)

shmmeee

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There is no way in hell you can stand over the conscious decision to not test people in care homes. You just can't. You are knowingly sending peopl e to- at best- sickness and a good chance of death. Call the terminology over the top if you like, perhaps "murderous negligence" might be better, but you cannot justify, explain away or justify what is happening in care homes.

Isn’t this all down to lack of testing generally? Have we ever had a reason given why our capacity is so low?
 

Ring Of Steel

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Isn’t this all down to lack of testing generally? Have we ever had a reason given why our capacity is so low?

The more suspicious would say that herd immunity was never actually given up on, I don't know.

There are care home workers being refused tests on the basis that its "NHS workers only"- people should be fucking locked up when this is over. Even Ireland- tiny- is testing way more than the UK, it cannot just be some kind of problem or issue.
 

CCFCSteve

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There is no way in hell you can stand over the conscious decision to not test people in care homes. You just can't. You are knowingly sending people to- at best- sickness and a good chance of death. Call the terminology over the top if you like, perhaps "murderous negligence" might be better, but you cannot justify, explain away or justify what is happening in care homes.

That wasn’t the discussion or point mate. This was about testing those returning from hospital to a care home (which I’m glad they’re now doing but thought the comments were OTT)
 

Ring Of Steel

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That wasn’t the discussion or point mate. This was about testing those returning from hospital to a care home (which I’m glad they’re now doing but thought the comments were OTT)

ok fair enough- I'm still working and grumpy and just popped over for a gander. Still- when you are refusing tests to care home workers when we apparently have all this "ramped up" capacity, can't be right.
 

David O'Day

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The non testing of people heading back to a care home from hospital is negligent and will have killed countless people.

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CCFCSteve

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ok fair enough- I'm still working and grumpy and just popped over for a gander. Still- when you are refusing tests to care home workers when we apparently have all this "ramped up" capacity, can't be right.

Think they are now offering testing to all care workers (agree with you about issues in the past though)

ps sticking with your work is probably more fun than catching up on here !! Couldn’t resist a quick look either though !
 

David O'Day

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I hate to break it to you but they're full of shite. The additional capacity no doubt has numerous caveats like most of their headlines.
The president of the institute of biomedical sciences was on the bbc today.

There is issues with the amount of reagents available. The government was late in speaking to the chemical manufacturers about production.

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shmmeee

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I can’t even.



Those who are sympathetic to the Trumps of this world, help me out here. Is she too stupid to know what the 19 stands for or is she intentionally lying to voters to rile them up against the WHO?

I honestly don’t know which is worse.
 

David O'Day

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I'm not sure, I don't think so necessarily. The London Nightingale is different to the others mind, in that it's for critically ill patients whereas the others aren't.
Yeah the london one was designed because they saw Milan and were scared that the London ICU departments would be over run.

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David O'Day

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I can’t even.



Those who are sympathetic to the Trumps of this world, help me out here. Is she too stupid to know what the 19 stands for or is she intentionally lying to voters to rile them up against the WHO?

I honestly don’t know which is worse.
I like the comment underneath about malcolm x following malcolm ix

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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The lack of testing now is either a failure by government to secure the tests/processing by now given so many other countries are capable of much higher levels, or it is deliberately being kept low despite expert advice and some evidence to back up testing makes a massive difference and the rhetoric of ramping up is a complete lie that needs to be called out and investigated.

Being shit at your job is one thing. To deliberately mislead the public of your intentions in a health crisis is quite another. At best scandalous, at worse criminal. But misleading people is what they do best.
 

shmmeee

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skybluetony176

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I can’t even.



Those who are sympathetic to the Trumps of this world, help me out here. Is she too stupid to know what the 19 stands for or is she intentionally lying to voters to rile them up against the WHO?

I honestly don’t know which is worse.

Isn’t the 19 just an abbreviation of 2019? Ie the year the virus hit.
 

David O'Day

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Article is a bit confused. A wet market is just any market selling meat and veg, Coventry Market is a wet market.

The one they’re reporting on had live crabs and crayfish, which is pretty normal AFAIK. China banned a whole load of animals as meat quite recently.

Seems like most of the article is Australia’s far right PM getting angry at stuff he doesn’t understand.
Yeah Dom posted a video of a market that sold fish and veg and called it disgusting.

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MalcSB

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Isn’t this all down to lack of testing generally? Have we ever had a reason given why our capacity is so low?
Capacity is not the same as tests done. Capacity is increasing. Tests done is a function of the testing strategy in place. More NHS staff are being tested now in addition to hospital patients. You have to increase the available capacity before offering the test more widely else that capacity will be swamped, backlogs developed and turnaround time for results extended. Availability of testing equipment and test reagents has been limited and delivery unreliable. There has been no financial barrier to the acquisition of either.
 

shmmeee

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Capacity is not the same as tests done. Capacity is increasing. Tests done is a function of the testing strategy in place. More NHS staff are being tested now in addition to hospital patients. You have to increase the available capacity before offering the test more widely else that capacity will be swamped, backlogs developed and turnaround time for results extended. Availability of testing equipment and test reagents has been limited and delivery unreliable. There has been no financial barrier to the acquisition of either.

Just saw Hancock saying it’s down to demand not capacity.

I do have to question why countries that have stated testing is part of their plan can get the tests and those that have gone a different route have problems.
 

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