Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (16 Viewers)

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

I am uncomfortable with this let's give the nhs staff this and that game of one upmanship companies are doing.

It completely ignores other key workers who are putting their lives at risk including care home workers, food retail and transportation staff.

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fernandopartridge · Apr 21, 2020

CCFCSteve said:
very strange that some are taking so long to be reported and then get added on in quite large chunks.

I don’t think the daily deaths should be that high, I’d hope that today was more of an anomaly due weekend catch up and a significant number of historical/backdated additions. Could be wrong though, just basing theory on the decreasing day rate on that NHS England spreadsheet

*again, not meaning to offend anyone with the unemotive language

1k is adding together in and out of hospital tbf

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

It seems the story about a civil servant missing the email to join the eu ventilator procurement scheme was a lie and it was in fact a political decision as per the head civil servant at the fco

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chiefdave · Apr 21, 2020

David O'Day said:
I am uncomfortable with this let's give the nhs staff this and that game of one upmanship companies are doing.

It completely ignores other key workers who are putting their lives at risk including care home workers, food retail and transportation staff.

For some things its understandable. Things like artists putting on thank you concerts, they are requiring NHS ID to be shown alongside the tickets to gain entry. Would be virtually impossible to extend that as what do you accept as valid ID?

Other things look like PR opportunities. Lots of companies with perishable stock lying around they can't use. How much advertising spend would Domino's need to make to achieve the equivalent impact of the free pizzas for NHS workers?

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
For some things its understandable. Things like artists putting on thank you concerts, they are requiring NHS ID to be shown alongside the tickets to gain entry. Would be virtually impossible to extend that as what do you accept as valid ID?

Other things look like PR opportunities. Lots of companies with perishable stock lying around they can't use. How much advertising spend would Domino's need to make to achieve the equivalent impact of the free pizzas for NHS workers?

Everywhere has Id these days. You could show a supermarket work id or a national express cov of so no I don't buy that argument. Most care home workers can't go to these concerts as they don't work for the nhs.

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Tommo1993 · Apr 21, 2020

That 20,000 they were hoping for is looking a bit stretched.

chiefdave · Apr 21, 2020

David O'Day said:
Everywhere has Id these days. You could show a supermarket work id or a national express cov of so no I don't buy that argument. Most care home workers can't go to these concerts as they don't work for the nhs.

That's the point. Think about the stewards on the door having to check all these. Its going to slow things down anyway. Now imagine the chaos if you extend that to an essentially unlimited assortment of ID cards with the steward being the one who has to decide if that ID gives someone key worker status or not.

And anyway not everywhere has ID. My company is classed as keyworker as we support medical staff. I don't have a work ID and have been furloughed while others in my company continue to work. How does someone checking tickets on the door deal with that?

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
That's the point. Think about the stewards on the door having to check all these. Its going to slow things down anyway. Now imagine the chaos if you extend that to an essentially unlimited assortment of ID cards with the steward being the one who has to decide if that ID gives someone key worker status or not.

And anyway not everywhere has ID. My company is classed as keyworker as we support medical staff. I don't have a work ID and have been furloughed while others in my company continue to work. How does someone checking tickets on the door deal with that?

It's easy enough for example the Tom Clarke gig at the empire is 900 tickets tops. The bouncer can easily look and see oh nhs id, oh asda id etc. It's not unlimited.

It seems I fair that some people are being rewarded and some not.

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chiefdave · Apr 21, 2020

David O'Day said:
It's easy enough for example the Tom Clarke gig at the empire is 900 tickets tops. The bouncer can easily look and see oh nhs id, oh asda id etc. It's not unlimited.

Now scale that up for 20K at the O2. And add in that the person on the door has got to decide what ID is acceptable and what isn't. Would be absolute chaos. What happens when people start getting turned away?

No system is going to be perfect so at the end of the day making NHS ID the requirement for gigs for NHS staff seems a workable compromise.

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
Now scale that up for 20K at the O2. And add in that the person on the door has got to decide what ID is acceptable and what isn't. Would be absolute chaos. What happens when people start getting turned away?

No system is going to be perfect so at the end of the day making NHS ID the requirement for gigs for NHS staff seems a workable compromise.

It's not carnage, it's checking ids. At the o2 there's going to be 100s of people searching people at the doors anyway.

It's cuntish to allow someone like an admin worker fro. A primary care trust to be rewarded but not someone like a care home worker who's actually at the coalface.

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David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

I was speaking to someone I know who works on the care home sector and they are often trying to treat dying people armed only with homemade ppe and paracetamol.

Why does the public not seem to give a fuck about them?

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chiefdave · Apr 21, 2020

David O'Day said:
At the o2 there's going to be 100s of people searching people at the doors anyway.

Exactly, hundreds of different people all of whom will have different ideas of who is classed as a key worker and who isn't.

Having experienced the chaos when all you're asking them to do is check the name on the ticket matches any photo ID for a regular I can't see it being workable.

Ian1779 · Apr 21, 2020

So the Sun’s showbiz reporter was asking questions at today’s briefing.

We’re fucked lads.

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

Ian1779 said:
So the Sun’s showbiz reporter was asking questions at today’s briefing.

We’re fucked lads.

To be fair the fella from the lad bible asked the best question of his presser

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Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2020

Ian1779 said:
So the Sun’s showbiz reporter was asking questions at today’s briefing.

We’re fucked lads.

Free pizza for everyone asking a good question

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Free pizza for everyone asking a good question

Only if the work for the 4 nhs

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Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2020

Relevant to you shhmee?

Separated parents warned not to exploit lockdown

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2020

David O'Day said:
Only if the work for the 4 nhs

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A friend of mine tried pulling once by telling a girl that her fella had chlamydia and showed his NHS badge to prove it. Little did he know it could get him a pizza

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
If they sell pizza at a tenner a go they can say we're giving millions worth of pizza based on that price but if they only cost they a quid each to make its not actually costing them millions.

Might just be a cynic but my first thought was they have loads of stock they need to shift before it goes out of date.

I agree it's a good marketing opportunity to not waste ingredients that would otherwise go in the bin (although they could donate them to homeless charities as well although I imagine it's pretty strict at the mo whether it could be accepted as to proving it'd been stored safely and uncontimated etc).

But if it's based on the cost of the ingredients rather than pizza price it would be a lot more pizzas. Which is fair enough if it is - usually things like this giveing away £x of stuff is retail price and they actual bought for a fraction of that.

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree it's a good marketing opportunity to not waste ingredients that would otherwise go in the bin (although they could donate them to homeless charities as well although I imagine it's pretty strict at the mo whether it could be accepted as to proving it'd been stored safely and uncontimated etc).

But if it's based on the cost of the ingredients rather than pizza price it would be a lot more pizzas. Which is fair enough if it is - usually things like this giveing away £x of stuff is retail price and they actual bought for a fraction of that.

It'll be retailers costs

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Grendel · Apr 21, 2020

PVA said:
Just came in to post this.

Utterly disgusting, but not unexpected, from this shameful government.

People will still defend them though. Unbelievable. This should be front page news but no doubt it'll get brushed under the carpet like the rest of their dirty tricks.

It’s unbelievable you and sick boy and Ian were accepting of this deranged cranks tweets - well actually it’s entirely believable

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

The actual scandal is the political decision not to take part in the eu ppe and ventilator procurement scheme as confirmed on record by the permanent undersecretary to the fco

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chiefdave · Apr 21, 2020

David O'Day · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:

Both shocking but yes Boris ladddddd

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Johhny Blue · Apr 21, 2020

Nick said:
Asda and Aldi introduce a rule to only pick stuff up if people are buying it. Bit late, have they only just realised?

That should put an end to shoplifting

Johhny Blue · Apr 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
If they sell pizza at a tenner a go they can say we're giving millions worth of pizza based on that price but if they only cost they a quid each to make its not actually costing them millions.

Might just be a cynic but my first thought was they have loads of stock they need to shift before it goes out of date.

Or gets cold

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 21, 2020

USA now have working antibody tests trump just announced

shmmeee · Apr 21, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
USA now have working antibody tests trump just announced

Got a link? Can’t find anything online.

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
Got a link? Can’t find anything online.

Just announced in his press update thing, said that x4 have been approved

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree it's a good marketing opportunity to not waste ingredients that would otherwise go in the bin (although they could donate them to homeless charities as well although I imagine it's pretty strict at the mo whether it could be accepted as to proving it'd been stored safely and uncontimated etc).

But if it's based on the cost of the ingredients rather than pizza price it would be a lot more pizzas. Which is fair enough if it is - usually things like this giveing away £x of stuff is retail price and they actual bought for a fraction of that.

Beyond whatever the corporate scheming is, some people doing a really shit job at the moment get a bit of a treat (as much as Domino's can be). Though would be nice if others were recognised also

shmmeee · Apr 21, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Just announced in his press update thing, said that x4 have been approved

Still can’t find it in the live updates. Be very surprising as AFAIK they haven’t been developed yet.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2020

Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick has said that 'there are more important things than living' as he complains of the economy being crushed

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 21, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
USA now have working antibody tests trump just announced

He doesn’t have a clue though

chiefdave · Apr 21, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
USA now have working antibody tests trump just announced

Actual working tests that show if people have had it or not with a high accuracy rate? Or is this another thing Trump has just thrown out there that someone else will have to walk back later?

Fingers crossed its true.

chiefdave · Apr 22, 2020

Breaking important news
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