Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (68 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Nah some are less shite than others. This “they’re all as bad as each other” attitude has just let the really bad ones off IMO. Look back twenty or thirty years and politicians on both sides of the aisle were just more competent and serious than the jokers we have now. Be it contrarian idiots on the right or SJWs on the left. We need to stop seeing politics as celebrity and sport and start seeing it as serious business that’s hard to do and quite boring IMO.

The likes of Johnson, Corbyn, Farage, should never be near front line politics. Each fundamentally unequipped for a serious role. Disagree all you like with Blair, Thatcher, Brown, Clarke, etc they all took the job seriously and paid it (and the electorate) the respect it deserves.

The problem right now if you ask me is that no one has the answers for the questions things like climate change and globalisation have raised. And when that happens people are always willing to listen to the nutters and morons who at least have the benefit of pretending they have the answers.

What would I give for Gordon Brown to have squeezed over the line in 2010.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fuck....That.

Cant afford the childcare costs, Boris' nanny can look after her. Dom?

Still recovering from the birth

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My concerns with Starmer will be the people advising him and driving his policy - not him as a leader.

Yeah I have Ed Miliband vibes from him but hope his background and brain gives him the common sense to avoid bad advice

 

[Ian1779]

Yeah I have Ed Miliband vibes from him but hope his background and brain gives him the common sense to avoid bad advice

It was a legitimate criticism of Labour that their Brexit policy was driven from London-esque metropolitan areas - that’s why it lost the North and a lot of Wales. Starmer has to change that perception and approach to win them back.

 

[Astute]

I think one little dig is understandable after you dedicated a fair amount of time to slagging me off

Slagging you off? Get real. You was wrong. You can't stand being wrong. So you lied. It wad all there in black and white. Shall I repost it again? Then you keep coming out with childish remarks.

I find it really hard to believe you are a teacher at times. You are nothing but a Labour version of G.

 

[shmmeee]

People listen to the nutters because there is literally nobody else willing to even talk about it.

The chasm between politicians & leaders and 'the people' has never been bigger, therefore creating room for the cranks such as Farage to step in.

Talk about what though?

 

[Astute]

There’s a difference between being stupid and not paying attention TBF.

Most voted with only Brexit in mind and they happily admit that. That wasn’t stupid per se but it was reckless assuming that Brexit was all that mattered.

Other than Brexit was close but the GE wasn't. And people seemed to trust a clown like Boris more than Corbyn.

 

[Astute]

Given the benign nature of the virus to under 45’s and our ability to be creative with risk and how we deal with it. We need some clever thinking don’t we from King Boris.

We're fucked then.

 

[shmmeee]

It was a legitimate criticism of Labour that their Brexit policy was driven from London-esque metropolitan areas - that’s why it lost the North and a lot of Wales. Starmer has to change that perception and approach to win them back.

Brexit was just a proxy for wider social differences between young metropolitan voters and older voters in towns though. It’s the same rage against modernity which the left has no simple answers for. People want a return to decent jobs and strong communities which should be the lefts bread and butter but we gave up economic justice and community for social justice and identity politics a while ago.

 

[chiefdave]

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

 

[David O'Day]

Dom now you are back and you've had your KFC can you please explain why tomorrows bank holiday means Boris has to announce his plans on a Sunday and not in front of parliament as per protocol?

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[skybluetony176]

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

No surprise. It was all more than a bit Heath Robinson from the start.

 

[wingy]

I see the airports are all developing strategies to, I assume reassure travellers.
I'm not convinced we'll be going anywhere soon though.
Internationally it's going to be problematic unless we've nailed our spread down extremely low.
Vice Versa to incomers.

 

[chiefdave]

I see the airports are all developing strategies to, I assume reassure travellers.
I'm not convinced we'll be going anywhere soon though.
Internationally it's going to be problematic unless we've nailed our spread down extremely low.
Vice Versa to incomers.

Only place I'd want to be travelling is a one way trip to a country with someone competent in charge!

 

[skybluetony176]

Only place I'd want to be travelling is a one way trip to a country with someone competent in charge!

Italy?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Will never happen but I wish we just didn’t have political parties.

While there is no doubt the tories are atrocious, they keep winning elections.

Not all of the electorate are stupid, and they keep rejecting labour as somehow even worse that the tories.

If there were some genuine decent opposition I'm sure they would get voted for.

Nah some are less shite than others. This “they’re all as bad as each other” attitude has just let the really bad ones off IMO. Look back twenty or thirty years and politicians on both sides of the aisle were just more competent and serious than the jokers we have now. Be it contrarian idiots on the right or SJWs on the left. We need to stop seeing politics as celebrity and sport and start seeing it as serious business that’s hard to do and quite boring IMO.

The likes of Johnson, Corbyn, Farage, should never be near front line politics. Each fundamentally unequipped for a serious role. Disagree all you like with Blair, Thatcher, Brown, Clarke, etc they all took the job seriously and paid it (and the electorate) the respect it deserves.

The problem right now if you ask me is that no one has the answers for the questions things like climate change and globalisation have raised. And when that happens people are always willing to listen to the nutters and morons who at least have the benefit of pretending they have the answers.

Is some of this down to the relative stability of the UK in the post war years? i.e. it hasn't led to many people getting involved in politics because they want change

 

[Astute]

You don't always notice the gradual decline in the standard of politicians but every now and then BBC Parliament have a day where they cover a historical event. When you see footage of parliament from the 80s and even early 90s the difference to now is astonishing.

Even if you didn't agree with people they could generally give a coherent argument to back up their stance and seem like actual human beings who you could actually have a conversation with.

I grew up with an interest in politics in the 70's and 80's. You had no choice when you had those like Thatcher in charge.

I don't say politics are in the gutter for no reason. I can't think of one who deserves respect ATM. It seems it is more important to tick all the boxes on minorities/women than those best for the job.

 

[Astute]

Only place I'd want to be travelling is a one way trip to a country with someone competent in charge!

1, Germany
2, The moon.

 

[shmmeee]

Other than Brexit was close but the GE wasn't. And people seemed to trust a clown like Boris more than Corbyn.

The GE was as close as the referendum it’s just a different voting system. Remain parties won just over 50% of the votes and Leave parties just under 50%, basically the same as the referendum but reversed. Just taking the major parties it was 43.6% Con vs 43.8% Lib/Lab.

Also Johnson only improved on Mays results by 1.2%, the big difference was people abandoning Corbyn (-7.9%) rather than overwhelming support for Johnson.

 

[stupot07]

Revealed: the secret report that gave ministers warning of care home coronavirus crisis

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

1, Germany
2, The moon.

Merkel isn't competent.

Maybe the moon is though.

 

[shmmeee]

Is some of this down to the relative stability of the UK in the post war years? i.e. it hasn't led to many people getting involved in politics because they want change

I think there’s a bit of that. Overall I think politicians accepted the “end of history” with Thatcher and that’s put some of the tools necessary to give people what’s needed, especially after a massive recession, beyond the political pale.

Any sensible government would be creating decent jobs, boosting manufacturing, building council housing, the sort of stuff we did with post war Germany to stop the rise of populism but these are all either seen as impossible/a relic of the past, or thanks to changes in globalisation such as loosening restrictions on moving money and business internationally just aren’t possible.

In many ways the globalised economy has neutered national politics.

 

[Astute]

The GE was as close as the referendum it’s just a different voting system. Remain parties won just over 50% of the votes and Leave parties just under 50%, basically the same as the referendum but reversed. Just taking the major parties it was 43.6% Con vs 43.8% Lib/Lab.

Also Johnson only improved on Mays results by 1.2%, the big difference was people abandoning Corbyn (-7.9%) rather than overwhelming support for Johnson.

A lot of people voted Tory that wanted to remain in the EU. I work with a fair few.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I grew up with an interest in politics in the 70's and 80's. You had no choice when you had those like Thatcher in charge.

I don't say politics are in the gutter for no reason. I can't think of one who deserves respect ATM. It seems it is more important to tick all the boxes on minorities/women than those best for the job.

That's a statement. You got some examples of people who have been overlooked in favour of some positive discrimination?

 

[skybluetony176]

Revealed: the secret report that gave ministers warning of care home coronavirus crisis

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That Martin Green should watch his tone.

 

[Astute]

Merkel isn't competent.

Maybe the moon is though.

Think you had better look more into Merkel. We could do with someone like her. Better than we have had since..... can't even think since when.

 

[Astute]

That's a statement. You got some examples of people who have been overlooked in favour of some positive discrimination?

Try in Coventry for starters. Someone shipped in. And what do you think I meant by minorities?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

UK detention centres 'emptied in weeks'

A large number of people held in UK immigration detention centres have been released.

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

The PPE we ordered from Turkey and then had to go and pick up is now sat in a warehouse because it isn't up to standard.


This is a fucking joke.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Think you had better look more into Merkel. We could do with someone like her. Better than we have had since..... can't even think since when.

I'll never forgive her for what she did.

I honestly think that was enough to make the leave vote win.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I grew up with an interest in politics in the 70's and 80's. You had no choice when you had those like Thatcher in charge.

I don't say politics are in the gutter for no reason. I can't think of one who deserves respect ATM. It seems it is more important to tick all the boxes on minorities/women than those best for the job.

But we have white men in charge of the two main parties.

 

[Astute]

But we have white men in charge of the two main parties.

Yeah. Could do with trying a gay woman I suppose.

Are you saying you think we always have the best stand for election?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Try in Coventry for starters. Someone shipped in. And what do you think I meant by minorities?

Who were the better candidates?

 

[Nick]

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

Does nobody from the NHS or whoever is ordering them think to double check first?

 

[Astute]

I'll never forgive her for what she did.

I honestly think that was enough to make the leave vote win.

Does that make her a bad leader of Germany?

 

[clint van damme]

I agree with you. The whole system is screwed and its now 100% partisanship, people gloss over anything if its their guys that did it.

I put a massive amount of blame for this on the press.
UK media is appalling.