Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (73 Viewers)

[Astute]

Who were the better candidates?

Another person looking for an argument I see. Why not ask those on here about their thoughts? There were plenty at the time.

The best we could find?

Labour candidate sorry for 'celebrate deaths' post

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah. Could do with trying a gay woman I suppose.

Are you saying you think we always have the best stand for election?

Obviously Johnson is in charge because we need a token white male Oxbridge educated upper class elite somewhere...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

UK detention centres 'emptied in weeks'

A large number of people held in UK immigration detention centres have been released.

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

The PPE we ordered from Turkey and then had to go and pick up is now sat in a warehouse because it isn't up to standard.


This is a fucking joke.

That needs a question gosh. So you dealt with it by letting everyone going free lol

 

[skybluetony176]

Just looking at voting statistics in the last GE for age group and having read the Guardian article Stu has linked are the Tories decimating their target audience for votes? You were more likely to vote Tory if you were elderly or have parents who are. With the way the government has palmed of the Coronavirus issue off onto care homes wouldn’t that make you think at the next GE of how you were treated during this, or how you will be treated if you go into a care home during the next term, or how your parents were treated in all of this, or how your parents could be treated in the next term if they have to go into a care home?

 

[shmmeee]

Who were the better candidates?

most of the alternatives to be fair. Sultana was shipped in because she was a Corbynite though, not because she was an Asian woman. It wasn’t an AWS AFAIK.

 

[shmmeee]

I'll never forgive her for what she did.

I honestly think that was enough to make the leave vote win.

Genuine question: what did she do?

 

[chiefdave]

Does nobody from the NHS or whoever is ordering them think to double check first?

They hadn't even been ordered at the point the government were saying it was on its way here in their daily briefing. No way after that they couldn't order it, probably hoped nobody would find out it was sat in a warehouse and of no use.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Theresa May criticises global response to coronavirus pandemic

It's almost funny given that the party she's part of are probably far more guilty of this than most.

 

[chiefdave]

Try in Coventry for starters. Someone shipped in. And what do you think I meant by minorities?

Double edged sword as it seems the local alternatives were people on the council and we all know what they're like!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Does that make her a bad leader of Germany?

Yes.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Genuine question: what did she do?

Open the borders up.

I get that it was supposed to be a humanitarian action, but it was not thought through at all. The consequences of such reckless action, has in my opinion, changed the long term future of the whole continent.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That needs a question gosh. So you dealt with it by letting everyone going free lol

Exactly.

Total madness.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Raises some good points. The knock on effects could be huge, both politically and economically. As May points out there is a risk nationalism and isolationism could rise further and have long term damaging effects globally. .

Which we are as much a part of as anyone with Brexit and the rhetoric surrounding it. Just look at our response to this crisis. It's almost Empire-like in it's 'Britain Knows Best' approach.

 

[Astute]

Double edged sword as it seems the local alternatives were people on the council and we all know what they're like!

If they can ship someone in as bad as Sultana they should be able to find someone decent to bring in.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Another person looking for an argument I see. Why not ask those on here about their thoughts? There were plenty at the time.

The best we could find?

Labour candidate sorry for 'celebrate deaths' post

Not looking for an argument, you made a lazy remark with seemingly no evidence to back it up. On a forum that is likely to get challenged.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You really are a whining bitch

Ah, the thickest man on the forum emerges to protect Boris' honour

 

[skybluetony176]

Does nobody from the NHS or whoever is ordering them think to double check first?

Think it was done directly by a government desperate for a headline. Still, it’s not like we had an RAF plane sat on a Turkish runway for three days waiting for the order to be completed putting pressure on getting the order ready so processes were missed meaning that the quality were inferior. Imagine what they would have looked like if they’d got them ready for the day that the government was saying that they were initially being picked up, I doubt they’d have made the journey back. The other reality was that the quantity didn’t even amount to one full shifts worth for every health care professional that required them. Just another pointless headline from a headline government.

 

[Astute]

Not looking for an argument, you made a lazy remark with seemingly no evidence to back it up. On a forum that is likely to get challenged.

Sultana not evidence? Do you live in Coventry? I don't but know all about her. No lazy remark there.

 

[shmmeee]

Double edged sword as it seems the local alternatives were people on the council and we all know what they're like!

Funnily enough I believe there was an effort to get an AWS in to stop O’Boyle being the candidate as he was looking like the front runner. So positive discrimination would’ve been used to stop a sub standard candidate! Isn’t life wonderful?

 

[shmmeee]

Sultana not evidence? Do you live in Coventry? I don't but know all about her. No lazy remark there.

Except as I’ve stated Sultana wasn’t the beneficiary of positive discrimination, just good old fashioned jobs for the boys politics.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It'd be pretty shoddy if the Daily Mail ended up more efficient in jetting in PPE than our government....

 

[Ring Of Steel]

PPE gowns bought for NHS from Turkey unusable

Isolationist Britain in new blunder- who would have seen that coming?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Good article. Be interesting to see Germanys stats when they are eventually released. There number of deaths does seem incredibly low no matter how well they've managed the situation.
Our official figures at 71% of excess deaths suggests we've done reasonably well at recording the mortality rate compared to a lot of countries.

At the moment we certainly seem to be making a right pig's ear of it but I've no idea if the death figures are counted the same. Is it that ours are actually a better overall representation of others? In the end I think the only way around it will be excess deaths, but that is a better indication of overall dealing with it than coping with he disease itself, taking into account retaining the ability to treat other conditions, preventing mental health problems with lockdown and economic pressures etc.

 

[Skybluefaz]

most of the alternatives to be fair. Sultana was shipped in because she was a Corbynite though, not because she was an Asian woman. It wasn’t an AWS AFAIK.

Fair enough.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Except as I’ve stated Sultana wasn’t the beneficiary of positive discrimination, just good old fashioned jobs for the boys politics.

Yeah that's true. Lots of rumours Blair jnr was being lined up for Robinson's seat back in the day. Coventry's always been a target to parachute in candidates, as it's pretty safe as they go. I don't like that kind of thing as it leads to people who maybe don't have an affinity for the local area, but it's been on the cards be they white, male, african, asian, and all the colours of LGBTQ+

Despite that, and despite it making the election results closer than they maybe should have been, as far as I can tell, both the new MPs are not doing too bad a job at all at being a local MP. Time will tell if they keep that up, of course.

 

[skybluetony176]

Open the borders up.

I get that it was supposed to be a humanitarian action, but it was not thought through at all. The consequences of such reckless action, has in my opinion, changed the long term future of the whole continent.

She clearly went about it the wrong way but when you say that she’s changed the long term future for the whole continent you seem to be defaulting to assuming that it’s for the worst.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I'll never forgive her for what she did.

I honestly think that was enough to make the leave vote win.

what did she do?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

She clearly went about it the wrong way but when you say that she’s changed the long term future for the whole continent you seem to be defaulting to assuming that it’s for the worst.

In his defence, I was assuming he meant in terms of giving ammunition to people with dubious views such as Farage.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Sultana not evidence? Do you live in Coventry? I don't but know all about her. No lazy remark there.

I don't think there are many things you don't know all about judging from your posts.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Open the borders up.

I get that it was supposed to be a humanitarian action, but it was not thought through at all. The consequences of such reckless action, has in my opinion, changed the long term future of the whole continent.

how?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

While there is no doubt the tories are atrocious, they keep winning elections.

Not all of the electorate are stupid, and they keep rejecting labour as somehow even worse that the tories.

If there were some genuine decent opposition I'm sure they would get voted for.

People these days vote on personality and catchy slogans. You could have the best policies in the world but if they're delivered in a dull way they won't get voted for. Substance is out the window.

Other thing is just repeating what people say back at them and just appealing to that. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. But if you try and do what is right rather than popular you're 'out of touch'.

 

[Astute]

Except as I’ve stated Sultana wasn’t the beneficiary of positive discrimination, just good old fashioned jobs for the boys politics.

The problem is politics were much better when it was those who served the best got elected. Once the question was asked on why were most MP's white males it suddenly changed. That meant that if the best candidate was a white male it could go elsewhere. No problem of gender, race, sexual orientation or whatever being chosen as long as it is the best person fir the job. But isn't it strange that the big change in the type of MP we have also coincided with the massive downgrade in quality of MP's we now have.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I don't think there are many things you don't know all about judging from your posts.

He's named one person and used her to somehow prove that the entire country's leaders are selected on the basis of 'ticking boxes', not exactly overwhelming evidence to be honest.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The problem is politics were much better when it was those who served the best got elected. Once the question was asked on why were most MP's white males it suddenly changed. That meant that if the best candidate was a white male it could go elsewhere. No problem of gender, race, sexual orientation or whatever being chosen as long as it is the best person fir the job. But isn't it strange that the big change in the type of MP we have also coincided with the massive downgrade in quality of MP's we now have.

Yes, oh for the good old days when old white men rules the waves.

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah that's true. Lots of rumours Blair jnr was being lined up for Robinson's seat back in the day. Coventry's always been a target to parachute in candidates, as it's pretty safe as they go. I don't like that kind of thing as it leads to people who maybe don't have an affinity for the local area, but it's been on the cards be they white, male, african, asian, and all the colours of LGBTQ+

Despite that, and despite it making the election results closer than they maybe should have been, as far as I can tell, both the new MPs are not doing too bad a job at all at being a local MP. Time will tell if they keep that up, of course.

Sultana has improved a lot. She was still on shouty activist mode at first but she’s toned that down a lot and comments on local issues more. I’ve been more impressed with the other woman who’s name escapes me right now though.

There were a lot of unhappy people, myself included, at exactly how marginal a safe seat had become. Hard to say how much of that was down to the candidate and how much down to general crap campaign organisation nationally and changing demographics though. Mattie Haven the Con candidate is a local councillor and from what I’ve seen works very hard locally so was a good opponent.