Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Yes as previously I wasn't able to drive for exercise. Now I can and nothing has been said of a limit of how far I can travel on the road.

Skegness seems a popular place but it's absolutely shit..

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

So in that case, can you explain again why you don't understand it?

Tread carefully or you'll be accused of lying

 

[Walsgrave]

Time taken to process a Home Office or similar document: 6 months
Notice the government insists it should give workers to return to work: 12 hours

 

[djr8369]

Tories are shit at maths. Surely there should be a × instead of the +

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Yeah otherwise the R is meaningless.


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[Ian1779]

What the fuck is this nonsense?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

What the fuck is this nonsense?

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Step 3 show that your local blacksmith can open up.
Step 1 you can go out but you need to take your O level certificates with you as proof of something .

 

[skybluetony176]

What the fuck is this nonsense?

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I think it’s a new design profile for an aeroplane wing

 

[Ian1779]

So according to this piece of amateur shite the R value peaked at 1????

 

[Ring Of Steel]

2 brief thoughts/ questions

1. I just watched it back and yeah, it’s pretty confusing. But what strikes me more is how unconvincing Boris looks, I don’t think he has a clue, he’s just reading the autocue with the odd pumped fist for effect, he’s embarrassingly bad and about as ‘unstatesmanlike’ as anyone could be.

2. Why is everyone talking about Skegness, what has happened there

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The impression I'm sort of getting from Johnson is a hidden "get back to work scum" hidden inside a massive dollop of craving popularity by easing lockdown a bit because people are getting sick of it. But make it massively ambiguous so if/when it goes tits up you can blame the public rather than the advice you've given.

This has nothing to do with it being the right thing to do from a science perspective, it's about it being the popular thing to do.

 

[David O'Day]

2 brief thoughts/ questions

1. I just watched it back and yeah, it’s pretty confusing. But what strikes me more is how unconvincing Boris looks, I don’t think he has a clue, he’s just reading the autocue with the odd pumped fist for effect, he’s embarrassingly bad and about as ‘unstatesmanlike’ as anyone could be.

2. Why is everyone talking about Skegness, what has happened there

Boris said people would be now able to drive to "destinations" without setting out any rules. Clint used driving to Skegvegas as an example of what the opaque statement could be argued to allow.

Astute showed his name to be ironic and posted a set of government advise from over a week ago before this statement as proof nothing had changed.

People laughed

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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

2. Why is everyone talking about Skegness, what has happened there

It's been designated as an area of outstanding natural shite

 

[hill83]

Boris said people would be now able to drive to "destinations" without setting out any rules. Clint used driving to Skegvegas as an example of what the opaque statement could be argued to allow.

Astute showed his name to be ironic and posted a set of government advise from over a week ago before this statement as proof nothing had changed.

People laughed

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And septupled down on it.

 

[David O'Day]

Looks like after july the furlough amount will be 60 percent

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What the fuck is this nonsense?

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Yep. R = 1 should be a long way down the curve, not the peak of it. Also at no point did it show the possibility of R going back up again and restrictions being put back in place, which it should do to show things could get worse again if people don't 'stay alert' (whatever the fuck that means).

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Fuck I'm starting to feel a bit drowsy and sleepy. Must stay alert. Will have to put an espresso next to my bed just in case.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

This I assume is why you are angry as you always are on the wrong side of an argument

You really should learn the difference between right and wrong and popularity. Just because something is popular doesn't make it right.

These changes are being made because Johnson thinks they'll be popular. Not because they're right.

 

[hill83]

Fuck I'm starting to feel a bit drowsy and sleepy. Must stay alert. Will have to put an espresso next to my bed just in case.

Bonus point for not saying expresso

 

[PVA]

So Scotland and Wales are ignoring Boris, now London is too.

What a fucking shit show.

 

[hill83]

So Scotland and Wales are ignoring Boris, now London is too.

What a fucking shit show.

Nothing has changed.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It's been designated as an area of outstanding natural shite

I haven’t been there, it’s pretty legendary amongst Leicester folk though, to the point where the locals nickname them “chissits” because the first thing they always say when they go anywhere is “how much is it”

 

[chiefdave]

I just watched it back and yeah, it’s pretty confusing. But what strikes me more is how unconvincing Boris looks, I don’t think he has a clue, he’s just reading the autocue with the odd pumped fist for effect, he’s embarrassingly bad and about as ‘unstatesmanlike’ as anyone could be.

Thought similar. The worrying thing is that was prerecorded, presumably as they don't trust him not to mess it up live. But given its prerecorded and therefore could have taken multiple takes the implication is that was as good and as clear as they could get it.

Johnsons performance was like someone who had been drafted in at the last minute and given a quick briefing just before going on air.

The impression I'm sort of getting from Johnson is a hidden "get back to work scum" hidden inside a massive dollop of craving popularity by easing lockdown a bit because people are getting sick of it. But make it massively ambiguous so if/when it goes tits up you can blame the public rather than the advice you've given.

Said that earlier in the week. Keep hinting that lockdown is over so people go out over the weekend then announce something different but push everyone back to work. When the numbers inevitably shoot up again blame it on the people who broke the lockdown.

 

[chiefdave]

Looks like after july the furlough amount will be 60 percent

Won't be happy if that comes in. Like many others I had to agree to be furloughed as my employment contract didn't cover it.

There's a big difference between people getting 80% of their salary, which once you take off the cost of commuting for a lot of people isn't a huge hit (obviously the nearer min wage you are the worse it is) and getting 60%.

Question is do you now get a chance to say no to the new terms?

 

[skybluetony176]

So according to this piece of amateur shite the R value peaked at 1????

It’s rewriting history.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Won't be happy if that comes in. Like many others I had to agree to be furloughed as my employment contract didn't cover it.

There's a big difference between people getting 80% of their salary, which once you take off the cost of commuting for a lot of people isn't a huge hit (obviously the nearer min wage you are the worse it is) and getting 60%.

Question is do you now get a chance to say no to the new terms?

Contract law still stands. You need to agree to the drop. If they did that without speaking to you first they have a problem. However it’s risky because if you refused (and assuming your company wasn’t going to top it up) you’d likely be put in at “at risk” pool

 

[chiefdave]

Contract law still stands. You need to agree to the drop. If they did that without speaking to you first they have a problem. However it’s risky because if you refused (and assuming your company wasn’t going to top it up) you’d likely be put in at “at risk” pool

That was the issue the first time round. In reality it was take this or potentially lose your job although you'd assume if they wanted to start making people redundant they couldn't just go with people who refused furlough and would have to go though the usual process.

My concern here was it would push people towards quitting and therefore not being entitled to any redundancy but thinking about it as benefits are generally so low you're probably better off staying on the 60% while looking for another job.

Worrying this is become a trend though. People are being told to do things and the government will look after them then the rules are being changed. It was the same with council funding. Councils were told to spend whatever was needed and the government would cover it but now its time to pay the bill its not happening.

 

[David O'Day]

That was the issue the first time round. In reality it was take this or potentially lose your job although you'd assume if they wanted to start making people redundant they couldn't just go with people who refused furlough and would have to go though the usual process.

My concern here was it would push people towards quitting and therefore not being entitled to any redundancy but thinking about it as benefits are generally so low you're probably better off staying on the 60% while looking for another job.

Worrying this is become a trend though. People are being told to do things and the government will look after them then the rules are being changed. It was the same with council funding. Councils were told to spend whatever was needed and the government would cover it but now its time to pay the bill its not happening.

The issue is the employer will only be reimbursed 60 percent of your wage.



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[BackRoomRummermill]

What the fuck is this nonsense?

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It is absolute rubbish , like a picture you show a 5 year old

 

[PVA]

It is absolute rubbish , like a picture you show a 5 year old

Probably appeals to the average Sun/DM reader then.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

That was the issue the first time round. In reality it was take this or potentially lose your job although you'd assume if they wanted to start making people redundant they couldn't just go with people who refused furlough and would have to go though the usual process.

My concern here was it would push people towards quitting and therefore not being entitled to any redundancy but thinking about it as benefits are generally so low you're probably better off staying on the 60% while looking for another job.

Worrying this is become a trend though. People are being told to do things and the government will look after them then the rules are being changed. It was the same with council funding. Councils were told to spend whatever was needed and the government would cover it but now its time to pay the bill its not happening.

I would be tempted to decide that it’s better to take the 60% and have a job to go back to than risk having no job in the middle of what’s being predicted to be the biggest recession ever- certainty counts for a lot now.

And anyway, if they want to get rid of people then yes, refusing furlough isn’t grounds in itself, but you can bet that the selection process would mysteriously end up with those who did refuse as most likely to go- law says that a selection process needs to happen but there’s no rule around how the selection is made long as it’s not discriminatory- but who is ever going to prove the ‘real’ reason. If it was me I’d definitely not want to be taking too many risks- just my point of view.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What the fuck is this nonsense?

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1. Man reads piece of paper and cycles to tell a man on a bench that there's a reward in the tree that will move him to Stage 2

2. The tree opens up and out comes a woman and child

3. The woman takes the child out to eat, and wins a free cinema ticket

4. End of lockdown?

 

[robbiekeane]

I’d just assume you’ve got it and act accordingly to be honest.

Yeh. I’m fine now it just would’ve been nice to know I’ve had it an have antibodies for it. I know they don’t have proof of immunity right now but I reckon it’s pretty likely...

 

[PVA]

Maybe it's just me, but I really think social media has reacted very negatively to the speech tonight.

I know it's only opinions and memes, but there seems to be a lot more anti-Boris stuff going round tonight, I really don't think it went down very well.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Maybe it's just me, but I really think social media has reacted very negatively to the speech tonight.

I know it's only opinions and memes, but there seems to be a lot more anti-Boris stuff going round tonight, I really don't think it went down very well.

Probably down to your circle of friends and who you follow.

 

[SBbucks]

Maybe it's just me, but I really think social media has reacted very negatively to the speech tonight.

I know it's only opinions and memes, but there seems to be a lot more anti-Boris stuff going round tonight, I really don't think it went down very well.

Perhaps the country is finally starting to see him for the vacuous cretin that he is?