Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (6 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

I hope Johnson is right otherwise there's every chance life wont be the same until a vaccine is found

If you can recatch it in a short (I.e. less than a year) period, a vaccine won’t be coming. I think it was Whitty who made that point right at the start of all this.

 

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[shmmeee]

A small aside and question, why are we heading vaccine rather than antiviral? Surely minimising the effects would be sufficient?

(We have expoert accountants, lawyers, whatever on here, we must have a medic with an interest in the macro!)

I think we are looking at antivirals as well, but the obvious answer is that some people have undiagnosed underlying illnesses and there’s been lots of reports of people suddenly deteriorating in a matter of hours after feeling OK, so you’d still get significant excess deaths even if hospital survival rates improved dramatically.

 

[David O'Day]

Not really, my wife was admitted to hospital friday evening after they treated her they also covid 19 tested her. She was again admitted on sunday evening ( womens trouble) and after treatment again covid tested,so two tests in two days on the same patient, how many more would have been double tested too?


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Those tests occurred on different days

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[David O'Day]

With regards to getting it twice.

As with most coronavirus you probably could get it twice but getting it will give some kind of immunity but for how long no one knows

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[chiefdave]

Earlier lockdown could have prevented three-quarters of UK coronavirus deaths, modelling suggests

It’s not like we had at least 2 weeks head start, no one could have seen this coming despite the the warnings in January, why do I hate my country so much, I need to stop being negative, I would rather live in Italy etc.

Not good reading. Saw this a couple of days ago as well which is also troubling.
The UK government was ready for this pandemic. Until it sabotaged its own system | George Monbiot

 

[chiefdave]

A small aside and question, why are we heading vaccine rather than antiviral? Surely minimising the effects would be sufficient?

I'm assuming, maybe naively, this is being looked into with as much effort as a vaccine. If we can relatively quickly get to a situation where popping a few pills makes getting the virus comparable to flu or anything else we don't go into a complete panic about then we're good to go.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A small aside and question, why are we heading vaccine rather than antiviral? Surely minimising the effects would be sufficient?

(We have expoert accountants, lawyers, whatever on here, we must have a medic with an interest in the macro!)

Antivirals are in the works too but our progress with them isn’t as advanced as with antibiotics. There is a Japanese drug showing some early promise I think but very early days. It’s also not helped by the virus being seemingly less dangerous than the body’s overactive response to it-so I don’t know if an antiviral is even the right approach

 

[shmmeee]

This seems a decent summary of where we are with antivirals and other treatments: Where We're at with Vaccines and Treatments for COVID-19

 

[chiefdave]

Great news about the NHS surcharge

Pretty embarrassing for Johnson though. In PMQs yesterday he was insisting it couldn't be removed and that removing it would cost £900m, a figure that was quickly proved to be incorrect by over £800m.

 

[Skybluefaz]

A positive

@SkyBlueDom26 people do seem to care what Labour think

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Great news about the NHS surcharge

Pretty embarrassing for Johnson though. In PMQs yesterday he was insisting it couldn't be removed and that removing it would cost £900m, a figure that was quickly proved to be incorrect by over £800m.

Seems like once again something he's announced/leaked hasn't gone down well with the public so change it sharpish. At least this time it can definitely be called a u-turn as it was from the horses' mouth rather than a leak.

Fact that in 24 hours he has gone from the surcharge being absolutely necessary to scrapped for NHS workers shows he doesn't give a shit about the NHS workers, just what is popular.

 

[David O'Day]

It's comedy watching the government pretend removing the surcharge for NHS workers was always their plan.

Johnson done like a kipper by Starmer with real world results

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don't know if it's just me being really stupid but they keep putting up this lockdown easing graphic and it's really starting to bug me,

Surely the horizontal axis is time and the vertical axis is R, so surely the line for R=1 should be horizontal, not vertical. It's bugged me since they first showed it but no-one else seems to have noticed or mentioned it, so it is just me being really dense and misunderstanding the graphic?

My only other thought is that the horizontal axis is R, but decreases from L-R rather than the usual increasing and the vertical axis is cases?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

5% of the uk has already had coronavirus from a study the government carried out, imagine how many people have actually had it once the antibody tests are rolled out! I rekon 50/60%.... hopefully next weekend lots of stuff reopens safely

 

[fernandopartridge]

Wonder what the referral criteria for an anti body test will be?

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't know if it's just me being really stupid but they keep putting up this lockdown easing graphic and it's really starting to bug me,

Surely the horizontal axis is time and the vertical axis is R, so surely the line for R=1 should be horizontal, not vertical. It's bugged me since they first showed it but no-one else seems to have noticed or mentioned it, so it is just me being really dense and misunderstanding the graphic?

My only other thought is that the horizontal axis is R, but decreases from L-R rather than the usual increasing and the vertical axis is cases?

I think the y-axis is Covid caseload and the vertical line marks the case load that implies R=1

 

[David O'Day]

5% of the uk has already had coronavirus from a study the government carried out, imagine how many people have actually had it once the antibody tests are rolled out! I rekon 50/60%.... hopefully next weekend lots of stuff reopens safely

Utter nonsense.

You can't times a representative sample test result.



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[fernandopartridge]

5% of the uk has already had coronavirus from a study the government carried out, imagine how many people have actually had it once the antibody tests are rolled out! I rekon 50/60%.... hopefully next weekend lots of stuff reopens safely

Why would the anti body test show the study to be so wrong? I think you're wrong on this one Dom. Even if the antibody test showed 10% of the population had been affected it would be a huge huge difference from modelling

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I think the y-axis is Covid caseload and the vertical line marks the case load that implies R=1

So basically all it's showing is when cases plateau, because each infection is resulting in 1 new infection. Would've been useful if they'd actually labelled the axes. And put a bit in the graphic showing what would happen if R goes above 1 and cases increase again so people are under no illusion this could come back and just because it's on a downward trend it'll remain that way. However, I suspect that's partly due to wanting it to look good for them and positive for the public but also due to them not wanting to show they'll put measures back in place even if it does so they could continue to have eased restrictions.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So basically all it's showing is when cases plateau, because each infection is resulting in 1 new infection. Would've been useful if they'd actually labelled the axes. And put a bit in the graphic showing what would happen if R goes above 1 and cases increase again so people are under no illusion this could come back and just because it's on a downward trend it'll remain that way. However, I suspect that's partly due to wanting it to look good for them and positive for the public but also due to them not wanting to show they'll put measures back in place even if it does so they could continue to have eased restrictions.

The people who make these graphics do a bad enough job already without adding more complexity. The BBC ones are the worst

 

[Blind-Faith]

Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

 

[David O'Day]

Why would the anti body test show the study to be so wrong? I think you're wrong on this one Dom. Even if the antibody test showed 10% of the population had been affected it would be a huge huge difference from modelling

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I think he is not understanding how these studies work.

It may be he thinks they are like the positive tests where youbvoyld say with mild and asymptomatic cases you may have had 10x the cases?

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[David O'Day]

Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

Not really, other folk are having to go back work.



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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

I get that but denying anything enjoyable while working under stressful circumstances is a continued kick in the balls

 

[shmmeee]

I don't know if it's just me being really stupid but they keep putting up this lockdown easing graphic and it's really starting to bug me,

Surely the horizontal axis is time and the vertical axis is R, so surely the line for R=1 should be horizontal, not vertical. It's bugged me since they first showed it but no-one else seems to have noticed or mentioned it, so it is just me being really dense and misunderstanding the graphic?

My only other thought is that the horizontal axis is R, but decreases from L-R rather than the usual increasing and the vertical axis is cases?

Y axis is cases/deaths I think. Once R is below 1 cases fall?

 

[clint van damme]

I think we are looking at antivirals as well, but the obvious answer is that some people have undiagnosed underlying illnesses and there’s been lots of reports of people suddenly deteriorating in a matter of hours after feeling OK, so you’d still get significant excess deaths even if hospital survival rates improved dramatically.

That's probably down to that 'happy hypoxia'.
Seems fairly unique to this virus and quite sinister as well!

 

[clint van damme]

Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

No.

 

[shmmeee]

So basically all it's showing is when cases plateau, because each infection is resulting in 1 new infection. Would've been useful if they'd actually labelled the axes. And put a bit in the graphic showing what would happen if R goes above 1 and cases increase again so people are under no illusion this could come back and just because it's on a downward trend it'll remain that way. However, I suspect that's partly due to wanting it to look good for them and positive for the public but also due to them not wanting to show they'll put measures back in place even if it does so they could continue to have eased restrictions.

Be fair, when Scotland did this (second wave) people on here were slating then for not having exact time periods between labelled.

 

[Blind-Faith]

It appears I’m a bad egg

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Be fair, when Scotland did this (second wave) people on here were slating then for not having exact time periods between labelled.

It wasn't so much that as them sticking question marks all over the graphic

 

[shmmeee]

It wasn't so much that as them sticking question marks all over the graphic

I don’t see the issue TBH. But maybe because I liberally use question marks for unknown stuff.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t see the issue TBH. But maybe because I liberally use question marks for unknown stuff.

Well they just put a random date and then 'second wave??' or 'vaccine??'. Kind of just guessing, which is fine, but looks amateurish

 

[chiefdave]

See they've got Robbie Savage in today to ask the hard hitting questions. That will show people who say this government tries to avoid serious scrutiny.

 

[clint van damme]

See they've got Robbie Savage in today to ask the hard hitting questions. That will show people who say this government tries to avoid serious scrutiny.

It's fucking embarrassing.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

5% of the uk has already had coronavirus from a study the government carried out, imagine how many people have actually had it once the antibody tests are rolled out! I rekon 50/60%.... hopefully next weekend lots of stuff reopens safely

What makes you think 50-60%?