Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[MusicDating]

Getting all mumsnet for a second. What is (are?) the PPE the teachers will be wearing? Bit of a change from the norm for a 4 year old to deal with.

Good question, my school's letter doesn't specify.

 

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[hill83]

Good question, my school's letter doesn't specify.

 

[David O'Day]

But isn't the main issue surrounding how much children transmit the virus?
There's a lot of conflicting information and the Royal college of paediatricians are saying there's no conclusive evidence either way so at the moment it's basically a coin toss.

Yeah it's can they catch and pass on the virus and if so how much

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[MusicDating]

But isn't the main issue surrounding how much children transmit the virus?
There's a lot of conflicting information and the Royal college of paediatricians are saying there's no conclusive evidence either way so at the moment it's basically a coin toss.

I suspect it'll be the same as other viruses, but if they and their family is non-vulnerable, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[clint van damme]

I suspect it'll be the same as other viruses, but if they and their family is non-vulnerable, it shouldn't be a problem.

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

 

[skybluetony176]

It clearly isn’t and you know it, stop being deluded..... he’s had over 50k complaints because of acting like an utter tool

So in a population of almost 67M just over 50K have complained. It’s hardly damming evidence that he’s been acting like a tool. If anything it’s proof that the 50K are the tools.

 

[skybluetony176]

I suspect it'll be the same as other viruses, but if they and their family is non-vulnerable, it shouldn't be a problem.

It’s not the same as other virus’ though. The one thing we do know is that the transmission rate is higher.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Getting all mumsnet for a second. What is (are?) the PPE the teachers will be wearing? Bit of a change from the norm for a 4 year old to deal with.

I raised this point a few pages back.....The psychological damage to YR & Y1 kids especially could be huge.....being "educated" in an environment much akin to a Sci-fi dystopian horror movie.
Some of the proposals I've seen on the TV news include all the books & toys removed or taped off like a crime scene. The teachers & TAs in masks & gloves. Kids regimentally marched one by one for compulsory hand washing every hour. Kids learning, eating & playing in isolation & separated by perspex sheets.
Just fuck off with such nonsense. Thats no way to treat young kids.
Keep schools closed until Sept. which gives time for more rational, practical & workable solutions to be found & implemented.

 

[TomRad85]

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

Then the one with vulnerable family members doesn't go back. The one with non vulnerable does.

That's not a snarky tone I'm typing in btw. Just a suggestion.

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[fernandopartridge]

My kids' primary will be exercising the 2m rule and also confirmed the teachers will have PPE so I'm satisfied they'll be safe. Also looking at the stats only 8 people under 19 have died from CV, so that reassures me further.

It isn't just about the safety of the children though, is it? 15 kids (if that happens) in a class room going home to 15 families, you can quite quickly see how infections multiply

 

[David O'Day]

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

This is the problem.

The chain nature of outbreak clusters means they could be a danger to someone who isn't at that school.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It isn't just about the safety of the children though, is it? 15 kids (if that happens) in a class room going home to 15 families, you can quite quickly see how infections multiply

Which is why the idea should have been postponed until transmission data or knowledge came in. And it isn’t promising enough

 

[fernandopartridge]

I raised this point a few pages back.....The psychological damage to YR & Y1 kids especially could be huge.....being "educated" in an environment much akin to a Sci-fi dystopian horror movie.
Some of the proposals I've seen on the TV news include all the books & toys removed or taped off like a crime scene. The teachers & TAs in masks & gloves. Kids regimentally marched one by one for compulsory hand washing every hour. Kids learning, eating & playing in isolation & separated by perspex sheets.
Just fuck off with such nonsense. Thats no way to treat young kids.
Keep schools closed until Sept. which gives time for more rational, practical & workable solutions to be found & implemented.

Exactly, from June 1st there are 6 or 7 weeks left, it is nothing in the grand scheme of things. That last half term at school was a complete doss when we were at school anyway, school trips, sports day etc.

 

[Ian1779]

Exactly, from June 1st there are 6 or 7 weeks left, it is nothing in the grand scheme of things. That last half term at school was a complete doss when we were at school anyway, school trips, sports day etc.

Especially in primary school

 

[MusicDating]

But what if their class mate has family members that are vulnerable?
I appreciate that across society we may shortly have to start trying to return to some sort of normality and try to manage the risks but I think we are in danger of doing it too early.

I wouldn't send mine in if family members were vulnerable. Mine can't wait to get back to school and as I understand it only 2% of CV deaths have been people under 49 years old, so I'm happy with the risk.

 

[ajsccfc]

Guarantee the Venn diagram of 'people complaining about Piers Morgan having a go at politicians' and 'people complaining that free speech is taken away' is a solid circle.

 

[David O'Day]

Guarantee the Venn diagram of 'people complaining about Piers Morgan having a go at politicians' and 'people complaining that free speech is taken away' is a solid circle.

I'd like to see the correlation between these people and the people who post leave Boris alone memes on facebook


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[hill83]

edit: Actually I'll leave that one alone

 

[David O'Day]

I wouldn't send mine in if family members were vulnerable. Mine can't wait to get back to school and as I understand it only 2% of CV deaths have been people under 49 years old, so I'm happy with the risk.

But as there is a good chance the are asymptomatic carriers they will infect people who infect other people.

At the moment there is just not the science to say opening schools at this stage is safe

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[clint van damme]

Then the one with vulnerable family members doesn't go back. The one with non vulnerable does.

That's not a snarky tone I'm typing in btw. Just a suggestion.

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It's a fair enough comment.
I just think we should hold of for now until we know more.
As others have said, the last term is a doss for many pupils anyway.

 

[TomRad85]

It's a fair enough comment.
I just think we should hold of for now until we know more.
As others have said, the last term is a doss for many pupils anyway.

I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.

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[hill83]

I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.

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I'm in the office right now. Bloke I am handing my shift over to at 6pm is type 2 diabetic. We have to be in the same office at some point.
My 4 year old goes to school and another kid coughs directly in his face because 4 and 5 year olds are dickheads. Brings it home. I don't want to catch it. I want to continue working.
There is no answer, but keep them at home if a family member is vulnerable isn't enough really.

Of course all this could still be the same in September, but the more information we can gather the better and June feels like it's rushing it. So for me the 'common sense' bit is telling me, he's not going in to school.

 

[hill83]

I'll be going from being near a maximum of 2 people overall, including the office where we have body heat temperature scanners in reception and the place is sprayed down and cleaned every 3 days, to potentially loads of people indirectly. A petri dish legging it around my house chasing me and trying to lick me because he knows I find it annoying.

 

[TomRad85]

I'm in the office right now. Bloke I am handing my shift over to at 6pm is type 2 diabetic. We have to be in the same office at some point.
My 4 year old goes to school and another kid coughs directly in his face because 4 and 5 year olds are dickheads. Brings it home. I don't want to catch it. I want to continue working.
There is no answer, but keep them at home if a family member is vulnerable isn't enough really.

Of course all this could still be the same in September, but the more information we can gather the better and June feels like it's rushing it. So for me the 'common sense' bit is telling me, he's not going in to school.

I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?

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[hill83]

I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?

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We can work from home within reason but there are things (servers/networks etc) that we need to be in for. His doctor and the bosses at work have deemed the office safe. Pharmaceutical company so they are on the ball.

Although I have been working from home 50% of the time and prefer it, so might send the lad to school.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?

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Some have to be in, of course.

My issue is first with the word 'safe'. I'm not sure that's helpful as there's risk with anything and, ultimately, I'm comfortable witha certain level of risk coming with life. The ceiling could fall in on me while I'm wfh, after all! However, I'd be a lot more comfortable if I saw what was a coherent plan and, perhaps more importantly, a sustainable plan going forward. At the moment it feels like we're rushing for the sake of it, and we'll end up with a staccato in-out movement where things open, only to be closed down again.

Personally, I'd be announcing the plan before the date, whereas we seem to be doing it the other way round.

And as for schools, as I said before, the planning for re-opening for, what apears to be a rather short space of time before they break up again anyway, seems pointless and also takes away teachers' time from planning better online lessons... which might still need to happen anyway, if they end up not opening after all (which I can see being the case when it comes to it).

So all in all it seems a bit headless chicken, and that's when it seems unsafe.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.

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Yeah, it may well not be as dangerous. But the date got plucked out of the air without enough evidence to justify it, particularly biologically. I think a few days in July for the senior classes would be fair

 

[fernandopartridge]

I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.

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EDIT, forget it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You Tories just cannot think outside of 'me' can you?

Fair play he’s emerged from just liking every one of G’s posts

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?

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No it isn't - the question here is about whether it's wise, when there are still high numbers of infected people out in the community, to rebuild a web of links between them and non-infected people through schoolkids going back to school. Why is there an arbitrary date rather than a threshold?

 

[TomRad85]

Fair play he’s emerged from just liking every one of G’s posts

Theres only so much online abuse a man can take. Prefer to let G get pelted with the rotten fruit.

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[clint van damme]

Why is there an arbitrary date rather than a threshold?

very good way of putting it it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Theres only so much online abuse a man can take. Prefer to let G get pelted with the rotten fruit.

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Judging by his appearance you’re too late

 

[MusicDating]

Some have to be in, of course.

My issue is first with the word 'safe'. I'm not sure that's helpful as there's risk with anything and, ultimately, I'm comfortable witha certain level of risk coming with life. The ceiling could fall in on me while I'm wfh, after all! However, I'd be a lot more comfortable if I saw what was a coherent plan and, perhaps more importantly, a sustainable plan going forward. At the moment it feels like we're rushing for the sake of it, and we'll end up with a staccato in-out movement where things open, only to be closed down again.

Personally, I'd be announcing the plan before the date, whereas we seem to be doing it the other way round.

And as for schools, as I said before, the planning for re-opening for, what apears to be a rather short space of time before they break up again anyway, seems pointless and also takes away teachers' time from planning better online lessons... which might still need to happen anyway, if they end up not opening after all (which I can see being the case when it comes to it).

So all in all it seems a bit headless chicken, and that's when it seems unsafe.

Certainly not defending the generally shambolic approach but how does our schools re-opening plan differ to Germany, Spain etc?

 

[hill83]

Certainly not defending the generally shambolic approach but how does our schools re-opening plan differ to Germany, Spain etc?

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