But as there is a good chance the are asymptomatic carriers they will infect people who infect other people.I wouldn't send mine in if family members were vulnerable. Mine can't wait to get back to school and as I understand it only 2% of CV deaths have been people under 49 years old, so I'm happy with the risk.
Then the one with vulnerable family members doesn't go back. The one with non vulnerable does.
That's not a snarky tone I'm typing in btw. Just a suggestion.
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I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.It's a fair enough comment.
I just think we should hold of for now until we know more.
As others have said, the last term is a doss for many pupils anyway.
I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.
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I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?I'm in the office right now. Bloke I am handing my shift over to at 6pm is type 2 diabetic. We have to be in the same office at some point.
My 4 year old goes to school and another kid coughs directly in his face because 4 and 5 year olds are dickheads. Brings it home. I don't want to catch it. I want to continue working.
There is no answer, but keep them at home if a family member is vulnerable isn't enough really.
Of course all this could still be the same in September, but the more information we can gather the better and June feels like it's rushing it. So for me the 'common sense' bit is telling me, he's not going in to school.
I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?
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Some have to be in, of course.I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?
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I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.
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I tend to agree and I'm not gonna argue on this one, just think maybe it's not as dangerous as people are making out as long as the famous 'common sense' is applied. Like if you're a mother going through chemo as an example, probably don't send your kid to school.
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You Tories just cannot think outside of 'me' can you?
I think the real question is does that bloke have to be in the office? Can he not work from home?
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Theres only so much online abuse a man can take. Prefer to let G get pelted with the rotten fruit.Fair play he’s emerged from just liking every one of G’s posts
Why is there an arbitrary date rather than a threshold?
Theres only so much online abuse a man can take. Prefer to let G get pelted with the rotten fruit.
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Certainly not defending the generally shambolic approach but how does our schools re-opening plan differ to Germany, Spain etc?Some have to be in, of course.
My issue is first with the word 'safe'. I'm not sure that's helpful as there's risk with anything and, ultimately, I'm comfortable witha certain level of risk coming with life. The ceiling could fall in on me while I'm wfh, after all! However, I'd be a lot more comfortable if I saw what was a coherent plan and, perhaps more importantly, a sustainable plan going forward. At the moment it feels like we're rushing for the sake of it, and we'll end up with a staccato in-out movement where things open, only to be closed down again.
Personally, I'd be announcing the plan before the date, whereas we seem to be doing it the other way round.
And as for schools, as I said before, the planning for re-opening for, what apears to be a rather short space of time before they break up again anyway, seems pointless and also takes away teachers' time from planning better online lessons... which might still need to happen anyway, if they end up not opening after all (which I can see being the case when it comes to it).
So all in all it seems a bit headless chicken, and that's when it seems unsafe.
Certainly not defending the generally shambolic approach but how does our schools re-opening plan differ to Germany, Spain etc?
Certainly not defending the generally shambolic approach but how does our schools re-opening plan differ to Germany, Spain etc?
Ah, my trust is in the school and not the Govt. Our school is able to limit class sizes to 15 (not sure if they'll be able to do that if more classes go back, but we'll see) and the head has sent out a very detailed letter explaining their cleaning/distancing rules.One problem is we have one of the highest primary school class sizes in the western world IIRC. Knowing my kids school I have doubts they can safely hold all the kids at once.
The big one is we are about the only developed nation on the planet without a working track and trace system in place.
And of course our deaths and case numbers are still high in comparison.
Mostly though I think it comes down to trust. I had a conversation with my ex and we decided both our kids are staying off until September if possible just because we don’t trust that the government is handling this as well as they claim. And when it comes to your kids it’s always safe over sorry.
I know in Denmark there’s a legal requirement that class sizes aren’t bigger than 28 and the average across the country is below 20. I’m talking about in general under normal circumstances here too, this isn’t how they’re dealing with getting schools back following lockdown. They don’t start school until 5/6 years of age either so the kids are just that little bit older and better at taking instruction in the lowest year as well as their schools are less crowded. Was watching something on the news about it last night and because they got a grip on this in the first place when they had two weeks head start like us they’ve got their R rate to the point where the schools are pretty much back to normal as is everything else in Danish life.One problem is we have one of the highest primary school class sizes in the western world IIRC. Knowing my kids school I have doubts they can safely hold all the kids at once.
The big one is we are about the only developed nation on the planet without a working track and trace system in place.
And of course our deaths and case numbers are still high in comparison.
Mostly though I think it comes down to trust. I had a conversation with my ex and we decided both our kids are staying off until September if possible just because we don’t trust that the government is handling this as well as they claim. And when it comes to your kids it’s always safe over sorry.
Probably not no, most people from what I would gather would rather not so it's not even a good move in terms of looking good to their own voter base.No it isn't - the question here is about whether it's wise, when there are still high numbers of infected people out in the community, to rebuild a web of links between them and non-infected people through schoolkids going back to school. Why is there an arbitrary date rather than a threshold?
Is your school planning on going back full time with normal class sizes? My youngest’s has said 3 short days every other week, 10 to a class room and only allowed to leave their desk for toilet breaks, no play times and lunch at their desks.Ah, my trust is in the school and not the Govt. Our school is able to limit class sizes to 15 (not sure if they'll be able to do that if more classes go back, but we'll see) and the head has sent out a very detailed letter explaining their cleaning/distancing rules.
Ah, my trust is in the school and not the Govt. Our school is able to limit class sizes to 15 (not sure if they'll be able to do that if more classes go back, but we'll see) and the head has sent out a very detailed letter explaining their cleaning/distancing rules.
Full time but max class size of 15. Cordoned play area to limit groups and about 30 other rules and regs. It'll be interesting to see how many are there first day and then how many sack it off if they feel they aren't learning / it's like prison.Is your school planning on going back full time with normal class sizes? My youngest’s has said 3 short days every other week, 10 to a class room and only allowed to leave their desk for toilet breaks, no play times and lunch at their desks.
It’s amazing how much it differs. Not sure if it’s council to council or school to school. My eldest is in High School but not one of the years going back so I can’t answer that one. I’ve distinctly got the impression from my youngest’s school that they don’t want them back. We’ve advised them that we’re not sending my youngest back as my wife needs to shield and they almost seemed relieved. I think even if my wife wasn’t shielding I wouldn’t be happy sending mine back full time as you’re expected too but that’s just me, I’m not judging anyone who feels different. Your kids your decision. I think the schools and government needs to see it that way also. At least until we understand child to child transmission and then child to adult transmission better. Can’t help but feel that these first waves of children going back are lab rats.Full time but max class size of 15. Cordoned play area to limit groups and about 30 other rules and regs. It'll be interesting to see how many are there first day and then how many sack it off if they feel they aren't learning / it's like prison.
Think it's wrong Tom .Probably not no, most people from what I would gather would rather not so it's not even a good move in terms of looking good to their own voter base.
My point was, IF it happened I personally don't see it causing quite the armageddon that's being chatted about, certainly can't be worse than the scenes I still see in supermarkets all the time. Also is there not data to suggest children are both less likely to catch and less likely to spread? (Forgive me if that's wrong.)
What I was saying to Hill was a separate point. If Hill thinks his colleague is at risk the company should be protecting him, giving him tasks that can all be performed at home etc...
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Fair, if you find a link to a credible article post it in here. Would be interested to have a read.Think it's wrong Tom .
Trying to find Sky news Adam Boulton piece from around 30 mins ago .
Analysing some ONS study .
Gist of that I could take away was that just about every differential measure between each demographic appears innacurate.
Kid's seemed as prone to catch it as adults
I feel like I'm misinterpreting it though .
Might need to be accumulating other groups.
They do, and that's also a reason why not to act in haste, potentially. I was sympathetic to the government at the very beginning of this because jumping isn't always the right thing to do - but now they seem to be jumping just about everywhere.Fair, if you find a link to a credible article post it in here. Would be interested to have a read.
I guess these studies change almost daily at the moment though tbf.
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The key point from that as far as the argument for opening schools goes would be this:Right hope this clarifies if I m an idiot or not .
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot - Office for National Statistics
There is no evidence of differences in the proportions testing positive between men and women, or between the age categories 2 to 11, 12 to 19, 20 to 49, 50 to 69 and 70 years and over.
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