Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (13 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 21, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think the y-axis is Covid caseload and the vertical line marks the case load that implies R=1

So basically all it's showing is when cases plateau, because each infection is resulting in 1 new infection. Would've been useful if they'd actually labelled the axes. And put a bit in the graphic showing what would happen if R goes above 1 and cases increase again so people are under no illusion this could come back and just because it's on a downward trend it'll remain that way. However, I suspect that's partly due to wanting it to look good for them and positive for the public but also due to them not wanting to show they'll put measures back in place even if it does so they could continue to have eased restrictions.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So basically all it's showing is when cases plateau, because each infection is resulting in 1 new infection. Would've been useful if they'd actually labelled the axes. And put a bit in the graphic showing what would happen if R goes above 1 and cases increase again so people are under no illusion this could come back and just because it's on a downward trend it'll remain that way. However, I suspect that's partly due to wanting it to look good for them and positive for the public but also due to them not wanting to show they'll put measures back in place even if it does so they could continue to have eased restrictions.

The people who make these graphics do a bad enough job already without adding more complexity. The BBC ones are the worst

Blind-Faith · May 21, 2020

Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

David O'Day · May 21, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Why would the anti body test show the study to be so wrong? I think you're wrong on this one Dom. Even if the antibody test showed 10% of the population had been affected it would be a huge huge difference from modelling

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I think he is not understanding how these studies work.

It may be he thinks they are like the positive tests where youbvoyld say with mild and asymptomatic cases you may have had 10x the cases?

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David O'Day · May 21, 2020

Blind-Faith said:
Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

Not really, other folk are having to go back work.

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Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

Blind-Faith said:
Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

I get that but denying anything enjoyable while working under stressful circumstances is a continued kick in the balls

shmmeee · May 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I don't know if it's just me being really stupid but they keep putting up this lockdown easing graphic and it's really starting to bug me,

Surely the horizontal axis is time and the vertical axis is R, so surely the line for R=1 should be horizontal, not vertical. It's bugged me since they first showed it but no-one else seems to have noticed or mentioned it, so it is just me being really dense and misunderstanding the graphic?

My only other thought is that the horizontal axis is R, but decreases from L-R rather than the usual increasing and the vertical axis is cases?

Y axis is cases/deaths I think. Once R is below 1 cases fall?

clint van damme · May 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
I think we are looking at antivirals as well, but the obvious answer is that some people have undiagnosed underlying illnesses and there’s been lots of reports of people suddenly deteriorating in a matter of hours after feeling OK, so you’d still get significant excess deaths even if hospital survival rates improved dramatically.

That's probably down to that 'happy hypoxia'.
Seems fairly unique to this virus and quite sinister as well!

clint van damme · May 21, 2020

Blind-Faith said:
Anyone else getting pissed off with people asking about football??? I miss it as much as the next guy but FFS there is much more important issues going on at the moment!!!

No.

shmmeee · May 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So basically all it's showing is when cases plateau, because each infection is resulting in 1 new infection. Would've been useful if they'd actually labelled the axes. And put a bit in the graphic showing what would happen if R goes above 1 and cases increase again so people are under no illusion this could come back and just because it's on a downward trend it'll remain that way. However, I suspect that's partly due to wanting it to look good for them and positive for the public but also due to them not wanting to show they'll put measures back in place even if it does so they could continue to have eased restrictions.

Be fair, when Scotland did this (second wave) people on here were slating then for not having exact time periods between labelled.

Blind-Faith · May 21, 2020

It appears I’m a bad egg

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
Be fair, when Scotland did this (second wave) people on here were slating then for not having exact time periods between labelled.

It wasn't so much that as them sticking question marks all over the graphic

shmmeee · May 21, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It wasn't so much that as them sticking question marks all over the graphic

I don’t see the issue TBH. But maybe because I liberally use question marks for unknown stuff.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
I don’t see the issue TBH. But maybe because I liberally use question marks for unknown stuff.

Well they just put a random date and then 'second wave??' or 'vaccine??'. Kind of just guessing, which is fine, but looks amateurish

chiefdave · May 21, 2020

See they've got Robbie Savage in today to ask the hard hitting questions. That will show people who say this government tries to avoid serious scrutiny.

clint van damme · May 21, 2020

chiefdave said:
See they've got Robbie Savage in today to ask the hard hitting questions. That will show people who say this government tries to avoid serious scrutiny.

It's fucking embarrassing.

Deleted member 5849 · May 21, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
5% of the uk has already had coronavirus from a study the government carried out, imagine how many people have actually had it once the antibody tests are rolled out! I rekon 50/60%.... hopefully next weekend lots of stuff reopens safely

What makes you think 50-60%?

Ian1779 · May 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I don't know if it's just me being really stupid but they keep putting up this lockdown easing graphic and it's really starting to bug me,

Surely the horizontal axis is time and the vertical axis is R, so surely the line for R=1 should be horizontal, not vertical. It's bugged me since they first showed it but no-one else seems to have noticed or mentioned it, so it is just me being really dense and misunderstanding the graphic?

My only other thought is that the horizontal axis is R, but decreases from L-R rather than the usual increasing and the vertical axis is cases?

It bugged me because it’s mathematical nonsense, but also the shape of the graph suggests that the R value peaked at 1 - which again is total bollocks.

Rusty Trombone · May 21, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I don't know if it's just me being really stupid but they keep putting up this lockdown easing graphic and it's really starting to bug me,

Surely the horizontal axis is time and the vertical axis is R, so surely the line for R=1 should be horizontal, not vertical. It's bugged me since they first showed it but no-one else seems to have noticed or mentioned it, so it is just me being really dense and misunderstanding the graphic?

My only other thought is that the horizontal axis is R, but decreases from L-R rather than the usual increasing and the vertical axis is cases?

A teacher annotated Boris Johnson's confusing Covid-19 graphic and it's brilliant

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

Rusty Trombone said:
A teacher annotated Boris Johnson's confusing Covid-19 graphic and it's brilliant

View attachment 15130

Where’s the ‘Action Required’ box?

wingy · May 21, 2020

Just 7.3% of Stockholm had Covid-19 antibodies by end of April, study shows

wingy · May 21, 2020

Ian1779 said:
It bugged me because it’s mathematical nonsense, but also the shape of the graph suggests that the R value peaked at 1 - which again is total bollocks.

Been as high as 4 according to Sturgeon .
That was at some point in March and she didn't say if that was UK or Scotland.

shmmeee · May 21, 2020

Rusty Trombone said:
A teacher annotated Boris Johnson's confusing Covid-19 graphic and it's brilliant

View attachment 15130

“Evaluation: Not Attempted”

Savage.

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

shmmeee said:
“Evaluation: Not Attempted”

Savage.

Good job it’s peer assessed

Ian1779 · May 21, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Good job it’s peer assessed

Yeah by Raab....

Brighton Sky Blue · May 21, 2020

Ian1779 said:
Yeah by Raab....

Nah I separated him from Boris after they kept flicking paper at Sajid

skybluetony176 · May 21, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
What makes you think 50-60%?

The same common sense that makes him think Boris is a decent honest moralistic guy.

David O'Day · May 21, 2020

On the bbc website they are running a page that flashes up the name, photo and a description of an victim of covid-19 in the UK.

It states to view all victims it would take 88 hours. 88 fucking hours.

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jimmyhillsfanclub · May 21, 2020

.....the concept of time eh!

clint van damme · May 21, 2020

David O'Day said:
On the bbc website they are running a page that flashes up the name, photo and a description of an victim of covid-19 in the UK.

It states to view all victims it would take 88 hours. 88 fucking hours.

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Matt Hancock has assured us it will take 80 hours by the end of the month.

David O'Day · May 21, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
.....the concept of time eh!

No the concept of giving each person a 30 second tribute would take 88 hours.

Off you fuck skippy

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 21, 2020

With all the brains on this thread, it is quite a bit of a shame that there isn't more debate about the actual virus. There seems to be just a field of Tory bashing.

Something really isn't right about this whole thing.

Seems to have skipped most people that the Chinese state have effectively just got involved with the bailout of Norwegian Airlines.

This thing has been out and about for getting on for six months and the rest of the world still seems to know fuck all about it.

Something feels very very wrong and odd about this.

fernandopartridge · May 21, 2020

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
With all the brains on this thread, it is quite a bit of a shame that there isn't more debate about the actual virus. There seems to be just a field of Tory bashing.

Something really isn't right about this whole thing.

Seems to have skipped most people that the Chinese state have effectively just got involved with the bailout of Norwegian Airlines.

This thing has been out and about for getting on for six months and the rest of the world still seems to know fuck all about it.

Something feels very very wrong and odd about this.

Do you think this is the Chinese state trying to distress the world economy?

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · May 21, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Do you think this is the Chinese state trying to distress the world economy?

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I genuinely have no idea, but something absolutely stinks.

So many countries reactions have just been bizarre too.

David O'Day · May 22, 2020

Tens of thousands of coronavirus tests have been double-counted, officials admit

Even the Torygraph seem to think this is a bit off

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