Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (223 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Dom really thinks something will be cleared for human usage after only 1 stage 3 trial?

Wow

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[chiefdave]

We are in the final trial of the oxford vaccine

We are awaiting the results of the phase 1 human trial, that is said to be imminent. Phase 2 trials only started last week and phase 3 hasn't even started.

That’s the spirit Clint! Even though we’ve masses produced them ready in case it does work!

Not seen that. From what I've read the Jenner Institute (Oxford University), AstraZeneca and Oxford BioMedica have formed a manufacturing consortium that will see AstraZeneca use Oxford BioMedica's Oxford facility. This is in part funded by the US government who have put in $1.2 billion, in return they will get 300 million of the first 400 million doses produced.

If all tries go perfectly then production could begin as early as September.

 

[skybluetony176]

And it's people involved saying end of year is ambitious so why Dom is getting excited expecting it to be available in September is a mystery.

As always Don is getting excited. The limited (ie not mass production Dom seems to think it is) production I think I recall correctly is for further testing in the community rather than a roll out of mass vaccination. Even then the numbers of vaccines required worldwide is staggering and production capacity is no where near high enough to vaccinate everyone in a couple of weeks. Could be many many months if not years before the world is vaccinated.
Again, that’s if it works. It’s failed to work in the Rhesus monkeys in the lab.

 

[skybluetony176]

 

[David O'Day]

As always Don is getting excited. The limited (ie not mass production Dom seems to think it is) production I think I recall correctly is for further testing in the community rather than a roll out of mass vaccination. Even then the numbers of vaccines required worldwide is staggering and production capacity is no where near high enough to vaccinate everyone in a couple of weeks. Could be many many months if not years before the world is vaccinated.
Again, that’s if it works. It’s failed to work in the Rhesus monkeys in the lab.

Nobody yet knows how long anti body immunity lasts either. It's not a case of not being positive but it's a case of being realistic.

Everyone wants the vaccine to work but we can't pin all our hopes on something that may not work

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[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

Bollocks, we’ll find out if the vaccine works by the start of July.... to say they don’t care about a vaccine is just stupid, we’ve spent more than anybody trying to find one

Every country in the world is possibly trying to make a vaccine. I was watching a Nigerian news channel, even they are trying to produce one. Do you also believe the UK is going to be spending more than the US. Which ever country produces one first should be sitting on a gold mine. Do the you believe the likes of the US are going to be giving it away.

We all want to see on the news we are making a vaccination, otherwise there is no hope. Also testing a vaccine is going to take a long time especially if it comes from another country. US standards are much lower than ours.

 

[Sumo the Micky Quinn]

Have they come up with a prevention or a cure for cancer yet? Haven't they been researching for decades?

 

[hill83]

Isn’t cancer a bit of a catch all term though?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

We can’t stay in this lockdown forever we have to learn to live with it until we get the vaccine

 

[David O'Day]

We can’t stay in this lockdown forever we have to learn to live with it until we get the vaccine

No but as the professor said you can have lower transmission rates when you ease restrictions or you decide that 8p deaths a day is acceptable

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[chiefdave]

We can’t stay in this lockdown forever we have to learn to live with it until we get the vaccine

Nobody has suggested staying in lockdown forever. They have suggested that the decisions being made are no longer, if they ever were, following the science. Even based on the governments own risk system they introduced for Covid-19 we're at level 4 and we were supposed to be at level 3 before any easing of restrictions.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Spain is already saying they are going to allow Germany and France tourist in soon, but no mention of the UK. Spain will only allow brits in when the 2 week quarantine has been stopped and that other criteria has been met. Some areas Madrid, Barcelona and a few other locations are still in full lockdown in phase 0, here in the canaries we are in phase 2.

Hotels which open will not be able to serve buffet style meals, self service all inclusive ice cream are also to be band. Our council is looking to ban All Inclusives, so that people actually leave their hotel and spend money elsewhere.

Agree with the council doing that, AI is terrible for the local economy. Who wants to go and eat the same reheated slop anyway? Get me some canarian potatoes and mojo sauce!

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[David O'Day]

Well respected director of the wellcome trust and member of the sage committee breaks ranks and says it is too early and we need to wait until the track and trace is fully operational

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[skybluetony176]

 

[chiefdave]

Have a read of this if you haven't already (its from a month ago but relevant):
The government's secret science group has a shocking lack of expertise | Anthony Costello

 

[Tommo1993]

They haven’t even found a vaccine for SARS yet. Which came about what, nearly 20 years ago? Wouldn’t hold my breath, no sick pun intended.

 

[wingy]

They haven’t even found a vaccine for SARS yet. Which came about what, nearly 20 years ago? Wouldn’t hold my breath, no sick pun intended.

I think they got it around 80% there ,then it was gone before it was viable to carry on
I do wonder if that groundwork has helped this time ?

 

[Ian1779]

If we’re not already living in an episode of Black Mirror then we’re pretty close.

 

[skybluetony176]

They haven’t even found a vaccine for SARS yet. Which came about what, nearly 20 years ago? Wouldn’t hold my breath, no sick pun intended.

I was reading about the “common cold”. The symptoms we describe as the common cold could actually mean you have one of dozens of viruses because they all have similar symptoms. Many of these viruses under the common cold tag are Coronavirus all be it mild versions of it. We’ve never discovered a cure/vaccine for any of these and we’ve been looking since, well since people started looking for cures for these things.

The only realistic model for beating this virus is Spanish flu and unfortunately that means we’ve got about 3 years of this shit.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

So obvious from this that it will have been similar in the UK! I rekon even before then it was spreading

 

[skybluetony176]

I think they got it around 80% there ,then it was gone before it was viable to carry on
I do wonder if that groundwork has helped this time ?

You would hope so. I think it came down to the only way to test it in the community is for the virus to be prevalent enough in a community to make results stand up and I think SARS had all but disappeared before there was chance to do that. Although there seems to be enough governments fucking up to ensure that doesn’t happen again.

 

[clint van damme]

So we sit in lockdown for another few months and the country becomes economically ruined and bankrupt and millions are unemployed.....we need to start getting things going like every other country, if the vaccine don’t work we’ve got to live with this forever! We need that track and trace to be properly working now

We're behind every other country.
We can afford to sit back for a few weeks and see what happens.
We'll know by then how much it can be contained and what measures we'll need to take to live with it the best we can.

Why do you Tories value money over human life so much?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

We're behind every other country.
We can afford to sit back for a few weeks and see what happens.
We'll know by then how much it can be contained and what measures we'll need to take to live with it the best we can.

Why do you Tories value money over human life so much?

We are sitting back for another 4 weeks, nothing in the hospitality area is opening due to it being such a risk....why can’t we get shops and that open if they are in line with the new safety guidelines and get the economy safely moving again? Why can’t people meet up in the small groups allowed from Monday providing they stay 2M away from each other? It’s trying to find the right balance so we have a country left at the end of this, I don’t think it’s right for schools to open mind, might Aswell wait till September

 

[clint van damme]

If we’re not already living in an episode of Black Mirror then we’re pretty close.

They did not breach lockdown guidelines and acted with integrity.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So we sit in lockdown for another few months and the country becomes economically ruined and bankrupt and millions are unemployed.....we need to start getting things going like every other country, if the vaccine don’t work we’ve got to live with this forever! We need that track and trace to be properly working now I agree it should have been in place weeks and weeks ago

You're like a really brainless stuck record now.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You're like a really brainless stuck record now.

Can’t see how shops shouldn’t be allowed to reopen providing they follow the new safety procedures of keeping customers safe, are you not worried about our future and how it’s going to affect us all?

 

[clint van damme]

We are sitting back for another 4 weeks, nothing in the hospitality area is opening due to it being such a risk....why can’t we get shops and that open if they are in line with the new safety guidelines and get the economy safely moving again? Why can’t people meet up in the small groups allowed from Monday providing they stay 2M away from each other? It’s trying to find the right balance so we have a country left at the end of this

I agree. But we don't need to find that balance just now.
If we get this wrong and we're back where we were weeks ago we'll either have to let people die or have a lockdown even more severe than before and that really will totally wreck the economy.

I'm as desperate as anyone to get back to as near as normal as we can but if we get this wrong the consequences could be dire.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm as desperate as anyone to get back to as near as normal as we can.

You shouldn't even have to say that tbh. It'd take a special kind of stupid to think otherwise.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

We're behind every other country.
We can afford to sit back for a few weeks and see what happens.
We'll know by then how much it can be contained and what measures we'll need to take to live with it the best we can.

Why do you Tories value money over human life so much?

50% of those confirmed with Covid 19 stay in lockdown for less that 7 days. We were slow in reacting to what was going on in Italy when this arrived in Europe and here we are eager to come out of lockdown at a time when we are still regularly seeing over 300 confirmed deaths daily. That rate of death in March and there would have been absolutely no discussion on ending lockdown..
Surely remaining in lockdown for a couple more weeks might well save a further month of lockdown further along when the spike hits, as well as many lives.
The good weather has been a God send in many ways, allowing many of us to get out and about, get some fresh air and maintain a positive mental attitude. Now I fear it may well make the situation worse as the beaches fill up and shops open. It's not good. It's obvious what will happen now.

 

[PVA]

So all manner of scientists and even members of SAGE are coming out and saying it's too early to lift lockdown...

....yet the government ease lockdown despite saying they would follow the science. It's almost as if there's been something else in the news that they are desperate to take attention away from.

It's clearer than ever now that they value their party and the economy over human lives.

 

[PVA]

Also a question to Dom - why do you seem to think there are only two options: ease lockdown now or stay in lockdown forever?

There's a pretty huge array of options in between those two

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So we sit in lockdown for another few months and the country becomes economically ruined and bankrupt and millions are unemployed.....we need to start getting things going like every other country, if the vaccine don’t work we’ve got to live with this forever! We need that track and trace to be properly working now I agree it should have been in place weeks and weeks ago

That sounds very close to saying let’s give up on managing this and allow it to just run itself out with the loss of a generation before their time

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We were slow in reacting to what was going on in Italy when this arrived in Europe and here we are eager to come out of lockdown at a time when we are still regularly seeing over 300 confirmed deaths daily. That rate of death in March and there would have been absolutely no discussion on ending lockdown..

This is what I don't get. I can be sympathetic to us being slow to begin with (who wants this!) but current behaviour is contradictory to past.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

That sounds very close to saying let’s give up on managing this and allow it to just run itself out with the loss of a generation before their time

So if we do have a hard lockdown for many more months do you not think the top bit will happen? We need to try and find a safe balance and that’s why they released the new Workplace safety guidelines, if we follow them there is no reason why another spike will happen

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

What depresses me is that there seems to be an acceptance that there will be a "spike" soon after mid June. Surely thst's more a result of coming out of lockdown too soon rather than anything else.