Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (49 Viewers)

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
I think their point is general lack of leadership and Cummings flouting the rules has lead the lock down not being observed as strictly as it should.
I totally agree. Yes people have to bear some personal responsibility but the the lack of clarity and leadership is massively evident to anyone who's paying attention.

It's bollocks, it's just trying to absolve people of blame for their own actions.

Yeah Cummings was a twat, the eye test bullshit. If he hadn't done that then does that mean thousands wouldn't be gathering now?

It's the desperation to politicise everything. If theres a spike in cases then to say people who are gathering in thousands aren't to blame is laughable.

Still, if people do get it after going to a gathering im sure it will be somebody else's fault. Same as when they were all stood in crowds to applaud the NHS.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

As we speak.

clint van damme · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
It's bollocks, it's just trying to absolve people of blame for their own actions.

Yeah Cummings was a twat, the eye test bullshit. If he hadn't done that then does that mean thousands wouldn't be gathering now?

It's the desperation to politicise everything. If theres a spike in cases then to say people who are gathering in thousands aren't to blame is laughable.

Still, if people do get it after going to a gathering im sure it will be somebody else's fault. Same as when they were all stood in crowds to applaud the NHS.

it's not bollocks. People look to leadership, it's why we have governments and politicians, ours are letting us down.
And everything is politicised, every single thing in society.
From the food we eat, to the entertainment we enjoy, somewhere along the line, politics has played a part.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
it's not bollocks. People look to leadership, it's why we have governments and politicians, ours are letting us down.
And everything is politicised, every single thing in society.
From the food we eat, to the entertainment we enjoy, somewhere along the line, politics has played a part.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

clint van damme · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

agree, but people also need leadership.
I said it in another post, someone sneaks a beer to their seat and most people think look at that arsehole.
A steward or copper starts drinking a beer in the stand and suddenly half the crowd would be at it.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 7, 2020

larry_david said:
World's gone mad. We are 1 week out of eased lockdown where we are now allowed to meet only 6 people outside yet in cities across the UK there are thousands crammed together. And then there are people on here saying not locking down earlier lost lives. So what about the 1000s marching again today? How under the circumstances is this viewed as now acceptable?

It shouldn't be. They're endangering their own lives and the lives of lots of other people especailly the elderly and vulnerable when they disperse and go back to their local communities.

But as you say it's a fine balancing act. If you try and ban the protests on health grounds you get the accusation of suppression and racism. If you try and enforce social distancing some twat somewhere will use it as an excuse to kick off and it quickly escalates. At the same time this has to be protested NOW. It can't wait for more easing.

They SHOULD be distancing (IMO it'd make it more effective because it'd make the protests stretch for miles) but even then like that conga line you will just get people walking through the airborne droplets of the people around them.

I think it may well result in a spike. And it wouldn't surprise me if the 'guns and God' brigade use it as evidence of divine intervention and how they're right and God is punishing them and proof that God thinks white people are superior.

In the US especially given the lack of distancing, the prevalence of the virus, the racial make-up of the protestors and the set up of their health care system meaning many of those protestors cannot afford healthcare it could be a horror show. Could see hundreds of thousands more dying.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
agree, but people also need leadership.
I said it in another post, someone sneaks a beer to their seat and most people think look at that arsehole.
A steward or copper starts drinking a beer in the stand and suddenly half the crowd would be at it.

You really think none of this would be happening or it would be smaller if Cummings hadn't been a dick?

It's all a bit of a mockery, people are limited from funerals and can't see their families and friends. Others are forced to close their businesses but it all goes out of the window.

If the spread rate is what people have been preaching for months then there's going to be a fair few deaths as a result of the gatherings across the world and an upturn in cases.

chiefdave · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
Have news reporters given up with it now too? Reporting from protests in the middle of crowds.

News reporters have been classed as essential workers and the guidelines for people working is maintain social distancing where possible.

I guess they would argue they need to be on the scene to cover the story effectively.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
So surely we shouldn't have ever bothered with a lockdown?

Still, I'm sure when it spreads rapidly again then the media can just try and pin it on something else.

Why not wait until lockdown is over?

Because it loses it's impetus. Like with school shootings the NRA are always 'now is not the time - it needs time for reflection" then if that happens it becomes "it happened ages ago so why protest now".

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
Birmingham, Manchester, London, Nottingham, Glasgow.

Big cities, tens of thousands of people in close proximity. Let's not pretend there isn't a massively increased risk.

If there isn't, why have we been forced to stay in for months?

We get it - you're pissed off you can't go to the pub or the football.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
News reporters have been classed as essential workers and the guidelines for people working is maintain social distancing where possible.

I guess they would argue they need to be on the scene to cover the story effectively.

Seen a few today who are in crowds of people.

Begs the question with the police and paramedics gathering on bridges as well then is there much point to us being stuck in?

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
We get it - you're pissed off you can't go to the pub or the football.

It's the double standards really. Cunts like piers Morgan outraged somebody went for a pint with their mates before lockdown but then absolving thousands of blame during a lockdown.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
He's also saying it isn't their fault if there's a spike in cases from it. As is lineker.

Of course they will be to blame as they should be more aware of the situation. However, the situation that has put them there isn't their fault - it's the fault of society at large and especially those in positions of power who have for generations ignored doing anything about the problem and in recent times made it worse.

But surely you can see there is a difference between the legitimacy of protesting for human rights and going to the pub for a beer.

chiefdave · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
The hypocrisy of it all is amazing, purely just for politics

Completely agree with this. Seeing plenty of people who have not said a word when there was street parties, crowds clapping the NHS or people filling up parks & beaches but we're supposed to believe they're suddenly deeply concerned about crowds when its an anti-racism protest.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Of course they will be to blame as they should be more aware of the situation. However, the situation that has put them there isn't their fault - it's the fault of society at large and especially those in positions of power who have for generations ignored doing anything about the problem and in recent times made it worse.

But surely you can see there is a difference between the legitimacy of protesting for human rights and going to the pub for a beer.

Is there a deadly virus going around at the minute or not? Does it stop infecting people at certain times? It used to be 8pm on a Thursday when people were immune.

It's not about a protest, it's not about skin colour, it's not about class, it's about thousands of people gathering in cities across the world while we are being told we can't go and see our families and that some people can't earn a living.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 7, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Of course they will be to blame as they should be more aware of the situation. However, the situation that has put them there isn't their fault - it's the fault of society at large and especially those in positions of power who have for generations ignored doing anything about the problem and in recent times made it worse.

But surely you can see there is a difference between the legitimacy of protesting for human rights and going to the pub for a beer.

One can socially distance and limit the numbers in a pub quite easily. It is much harder, but not impossible, to do so for a mass event with thousands of people.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
People need to take responsibility for their own actions.

But much of what is and isn't acceptable is filtered down from those who are supposed to be leaders and setting the rules and examples. So if those who are in charge disregard the rules so do some of those further down. Sadly, a lot of people are sheep looking to be led.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
Completely agree with this. Seeing plenty of people who have not said a word when there was street parties, crowds clapping the NHS or people filling up parks & beaches but we're supposed to believe they're suddenly deeply concerned about crowds when its an anti-racism protest.

They have all been cunts, people moan that I went on about hundreds of people including paramedics gathered together on a bridge. They were showing they love the NHS so just let them get on with it.

If somebody walks their dog along an empty beach then fair play, if somebody gathers and sets their chairs up in a crowd of people then it's exactly the same.

We are seeing hundreds of thousands of people across the world gathering at the minute and shouting etc. Is Corona not a thing now?

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But much of what is and isn't acceptable is filtered down for those who are supposed to be leaders and setting the rules and examples. So if those who are in charge disregard the rules so do some of those further down. Sadly, a lot of people are sheep looking to be led.

You think people waited for Cummings to be a c**t first?

chiefdave · Jun 7, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hardly, every single one I’ve seen there has been 0 social distancing....was there any in London yesterday?

The London one seemed by far the worst but then the idiot quota at any protest in London always seems higher. Did see that the organisers in London, and elsewhere, were urging people to maintain distancing and had setup sanitising stations. They were also handing out packs with hand sanitizer, water and masks.

At the end of the day its the same problem we've seen all over the place, and since the message changed from stay home to stay alert a lot of people seem to have decided its OK to do whatever you want.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

There's one in broadgate with no social distancing....

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
You think people waited for Cummings to be a c**t first?

Nope. But the fact is the social distancing has been flouted way more since that came to light and the incomprehensible easing of restrictions that followed, which I believe was rushed through in part due to that story as it flies in the face of their own tests.

Some used it as an excuse because they're just fed up of lockdown and wanted to get outside. But a lot will be "fuck it - if he can ignore it so will I"

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
The London one seemed by far the worst but then the idiot quota at any protest in London always seems higher. Did see that the organisers in London, and elsewhere, were urging people to maintain distancing and had setup sanitising stations. They were also handing out packs with hand sanitizer, water and masks.

At the end of the day its the same problem we've seen all over the place, and since the message changed from stay home to stay alert a lot of people seem to have decided its OK to do whatever you want.

Pretty much.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Nope. But the fact is the social distancing has been flouted way more since that came to light and the incomprehensible easing of restrictions that followed, which I believe was rushed through in part due to that story as it flies in the face of their own tests.

Some used it as an excuse because they're just fed up of lockdown and wanted to get outside. But a lot will be "fuck it - if he can ignore it so will I"

No, people were just hiding behind showing their love for the NHS before.

chiefdave · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
Begs the question with the police and paramedics gathering on bridges as well then is there much point to us being stuck in?

Can't speak for anyone else but even if Boris gets on the TV tonight and tells us its all over and everything is cleared to open up I won't be rushing anywhere, and certainly not anywhere there's a crowd.

I've gone this long will happily spend another 2-4 weeks in the house after things are opened up to see what happens.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

chiefdave said:
Can't speak for anyone else but even if Boris gets on the TV tonight and tells us its all over and everything is cleared to open up I won't be rushing anywhere, and certainly not anywhere there's a crowd.

I've gone this long will happily spend another 2-4 weeks in the house after things are opened up to see what happens.

If you walk about clapping the NHS you are immune.

I'll be trying it next weekend when I'm seeing my mates for the first time in weeks for a kick about.

clint van damme · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
You really think none of this would be happening or it would be smaller if Cummings hadn't been a dick?

It's all a bit of a mockery, people are limited from funerals and can't see their families and friends. Others are forced to close their businesses but it all goes out of the window.

If the spread rate is what people have been preaching for months then there's going to be a fair few deaths as a result of the gatherings across the world and an upturn in cases.

I know loads of people who started breaking rules after the Cummings incident.

Not ignoring everything but who started going to visit family and allowing family to visit them. Not the same as flocking to the beach but at a time when the country needed strong leadership and resolve we got the government tying themselves in knots trying to protect him.

Then this week we were told we were transitioning from level 4 to 3 but we lifted restrictions that weren't supposed to be lifted until level 1.
Don't think for one minute this doesn't have an affect on public behaviour.

Of course there are arseholes who would ignore the rules no matter what.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
I know loads of people who started breaking rules after the Cummings incident.

Not ignoring everything but who started going to visit family and allowing family to visit them. Not the same as flocking to the beach but at a time when the country needed strong leadership and resolve we got the government tying themselves in knots trying to protect him.

Then this week we were told we were transitioning from level 4 to 3 but we lifted restrictions that weren't supposed to be lifted until level 1.
Don't think for one minute this doesn't have an affect on public behaviour.

Of course there are arseholes who would ignore the rules no matter what.

It's been happening for months. Funny how when paramedics and live break the rules because it's for NHS it was largely ignored?

As I said, people need to take responsibility for their own actions.

It's all well and good saying love the NHS for months but it won't be showing a lot of love with the increase of cases that will come from the massive gatherings.

Either Corona is massively infectious and going out will kill our grannies or it won't.

ccfchoi87 · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
It's been happening for months. Funny how when paramedics and live break the rules because it's for NHS it was largely ignored?

As I said, people need to take responsibility for their own actions.

It's all well and good saying love the NHS for months but it won't be showing a lot of love with the increase of cases that will come from the massive gatherings.

Either Corona is massively infectious and going out will kill our grannies or it won't.

You’re bang on about this Nick. Blaming Cummings is ridiculous. Like you say, if someone has a few beers with their pals they’re slaughtered for it. Thousands can gather but that’s allowed because they’re ‘protesting’. Double standards

clint van damme · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
It's been happening for months. Funny how when paramedics and live break the rules because it's for NHS it was largely ignored?

As I said, people need to take responsibility for their own actions.

It's all well and good saying love the NHS for months but it won't be showing a lot of love with the increase of cases that will come from the massive gatherings.

Either Corona is massively infectious and going out will kill our grannies or it won't.

You keep saying it was ignored when paramedics done it. It wasn't.

You're doing what you slate the CET for doing when they report on city.
Make something up to try and get people angry.
Loads of people commented on the London bridge and outside of hospitals breach of guidelines.

It's still worse when the man who wrote the guidelines and told us to stick by them breaches them in my opinion.

And to be honest, the killing grannies quote is a bit ill thought out.
We all know why people are dying in care homes and it's nothing to do with people on beaches

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
You keep saying it was ignored when paramedics done it. It wasn't.

You're doing what you slate the CET for doing when they report on city.
Make something up to try and get people angry.
Loads of people commented on the London bridge and outside of hospitals breach of guidelines.

It's still worse when the man who wrote the guidelines and told us to stick by them breaches them in my opinion.

I haven't made anything up. I'm pointing out exactly as it was.

As it was applauding the NHS it was downplayed. Let's say 500 city fans gathered in broadgate next week, let's compare the reactions and outcomes.

People like Morgan witch hunting from the start, people going to the pub are selfish and putting lives at risk. Losing his head and going mental about it.

When you step back and have no political bias in it all, it's pretty easy to see.

clint van damme · Jun 7, 2020

Nick said:
I haven't made anything up. I'm pointing out exactly as it was.

As it was applauding the NHS it was downplayed. Let's say 500 city fans gathered in broadgate next week, let's compare the reactions and outcomes.

Who downplayed it?
Saw and heard loads of people comment on it. Including Morgan on GMB and on the radio on 5live.

ajsccfc · Jun 7, 2020

As soon as people were shown on the bridge clapping at the hospital all I saw was criticism of their hypocrisy

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
Who downplayed it?
Saw and heard loads of people comment on it. Including Morgan on GMB and on the radio on 5live.

Nick · Jun 7, 2020

clint van damme said:
Who downplayed it?
Saw and heard loads of people comment on it. Including Morgan on GMB and on the radio on 5live.

Did he? Compare it to him going at people having a beer.

Was that the first week it happened or the second?

Have a look at threads on here.

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