Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (295 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

How crushing

I was the one...

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

lol- don't aim that at me, I posted the same link about an hour ago as good news

Dom was too excited about going to the pub, then. Priorities.

 

[Grendel]

I was the one...

Even more depressing

 

[David O'Day]

To make Dom happy

Steroid treatment good but as FP says not a magic bullet. It will though help save some peoples lives.

 

[Grendel]

Dom was too excited about going to the pub, then. Priorities.

I did go into a pub on the last day. The landlord actually had put social distancing messages on every other table - do not sit here - I fell about laughing and pointed out only 3 people drink here anyway

He told me to fuck off - but said he wouldn’t bar me or he’s lose a third of his trade

True story that

 

[Nick]

If you pricks want to meet up and have a fight then crack on, would be much more entertaining than your inane bullshit.

 

[Ian1779]

Instead of being happy a life saving treatment has been found all the same suspects do on here are at it again, fucking unbelievable

Notice how it doesn’t stop you getting it - but yes a good thing no doubt.

 

[PVA]

Would have saved 4/5k lives if it had been used earlier

Yeah and locking down a week earlier could have saved 20k lives but you're happy to defend the government on that.

 

[David O'Day]

It isn't the magic bullet but it's good news, I see Sikora is hyping it up though

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Sikora is a bit of a crank

 

[clint van damme]

What about the hundreds of thousands of people across the world gathering? What about city fans congregating? What about the queues for shops? What about the antics in the super markets?

This is all AFTER the rules changed and is breaking social distancing.

My confusion is how sometimes Corona is infectious and sometimes not. I haven't been in any large crowds since the start but if I had gone to the pub then I'd have been made out to be a murderer.

it is more virulent in certain locations.
Indoor far worse than outdoor.

 

[skybluetony176]

Instead of being happy a life saving treatment has been found all the same suspects do on here are at it again, fucking unbelievable

ROS put it up about an hour ago. Some people including myself commented on it but Grendull wanted to talk about avatars and who gives likes to who so took it off topic.

 

[Saddlebrains]

This medical breakthrough looks a game changer.


Especially with whitty creaming over it hes always understated

 

[skybluetony176]

This medical breakthrough looks a game changer.


Especially with whitty creaming over it hes always understated

There’s been a couple in as many days regarding treatment of symptoms. There was the narrowing down yesterday of effective drugs to stop blood clotting (One in particular but I don’t recall it’s name) as one of the big complications in treating people who are seriously ill with it is the virus can cause the blood to clot and it’s took them a while to identify the most effective anti clotting drug. And now this.

 

[chiefdave]

This medical breakthrough looks a game changer.

It's an important breakthrough no doubt but also important not to overstate it. When you look at the trial they're talking about it saving one in eight of patients on ventilators and one in twenty five of patients on oxygen.

Great news no doubt, being able to save lives with an existing safe and cheap drug is fantastic. Will need other treatments alongside it to bring the mortality rate right down.

 

[Saddlebrains]

There’s been a couple in as many days regarding treatment of symptoms. There was the narrowing down yesterday of effective drugs to stop blood clotting (One in particular but I don’t recall it’s name) as one of the big complications in treating people who are seriously ill with it is the virus can cause the blood to clot and it’s took them a while to identify the most effective anti clotting drug. And now this.

Well could this be enough to head towards normality? We're not going to cure it. But to be able to treat it effectively cutting down icu bed usage and death is the closest we're going to get surely?

 

[fernandopartridge]

This medical breakthrough looks a game changer.


Especially with whitty creaming over it hes always understated

A game changer would be a drug that prevents people becoming seriously ill. This is good of course but it only reduces the risk of the most seriously ill (people on ventilators) from dying, it's less effective for people on oxygen. The estimate from the researchers is that it'd have saved 4-5k lives since the start of the outbreak, so 1 in 10.

 

[David O'Day]

As stated before it is good and will save some lives but it's not a game changer


"In the trial, led by a team from Oxford University, about 2,000 hospital patients were given dexamethasone and compared with more than 4,000 who were not.

For patients on ventilators, it cut the risk of death from 40% to 28%.

For patients needing oxygen, it cut the risk of death from 25% to 20%"

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well could this be enough to head towards normality? We're not going to cure it. But to be able to treat it effectively cutting down icu bed usage and death is the closest we're going to get surely?

It's a drug given to people in ICU, it won't cut down bed usage.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

A game changer would be a drug that prevents people becoming seriously ill. This is good of course but it only reduces the risk of the most seriously ill (people on ventilators) from dying, it's less effective for people on oxygen. The estimate from the researchers is that it'd have saved 4-5k lives since the start of the outbreak, so 1 in 10.

Yep, personally I've thought that rather than a vaccine, our way out of this will be coming up with something that reduces the symptoms somewhat, a Corona Lemsip sort of thing.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Meanwhile, 233 deaths reported today, the usual big jump on a Tuesday. 1279 positives, it's a big week this week to look at how that number behaves I think.

113k tests undertaken so 56.5k people maximum, utterly pathetic.

 

[chiefdave]

It's a drug given to people in ICU, it won't cut down bed usage.

This is why effective track and trace is so important. Even if we get effective treatment it could still mean weeks / months in hospital. Absolutely vital that as restrictions are eased people are traced and tested quickly.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Meanwhile, 233 deaths reported today, the usual big jump on a Tuesday. 1279 positives, it's a big week this week to look at how that number behaves I think.

113k tests undertaken so 56.5k people maximum, utterly pathetic.

Small question, but is the two week delay for reporting not the true tale either? Surely if you add in the lead time for symptoms to start showing, it's three weeks after events that would be more appropriate?

(That's how long I'll wait before even thinking about setting foot in a shop that isn't for food!)

 

[skybluetony176]

Well could this be enough to head towards normality? We're not going to cure it. But to be able to treat it effectively cutting down icu bed usage and death is the closest we're going to get surely?

Doubtful. Until a vaccine is found I think we along with the rest of the world is going to have to find a new normal. As FP said, this is only a breakthrough in treatment once you have it, it’s not going to stop it spreading and that’s what is needed for normal to return.

 

[chiefdave]

Meanwhile, 233 deaths reported today, the usual big jump on a Tuesday. 1279 positives, it's a big week this week to look at how that number behaves I think.

Last Tuesday was 1,741 before that 1,653; 2,004 and 2,412 so that's certainly good news. Although still concern at how slowly the rate is coming down.

Next couple of weeks will be vital. Between people at parks & beaches, street parties, various protests and the scenes we saw as shops reopened if we can keep the numbers going down it will be, for me, the first real positive since this all started.

 

[David O'Day]

This is why effective track and trace is so important. Even if we get effective treatment it could still mean weeks / months in hospital. Absolutely vital that as restrictions are eased people are traced and tested quickly.

Aye, the steroid is given on a 10 day course

 

[fernandopartridge]

The data is going in the right direction for assumed working age people, hospital admissions and deaths are decreasing. Majority of deaths are outside of hospital now.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Last Tuesday was 1,741 before that 1,653; 2,004 and 2,412 so that's certainly good news. Although still concern at how slowly the rate is coming down.

Next couple of weeks will be vital. Between people at parks & beaches, street parties, various protests and the scenes we saw as shops reopened if we can keep the numbers going down it will be, for me, the first real positive since this all started.

If in three weeks time things are still downwards, I'll be vaguely positive. Still expecting late September onwards to be the real test though. And when cold damp weather comes along, as we've all been away from contact with people, and sterilised our houses to an inch of our lives, just how many other diseases are we going to catch, anyway?!? Practically, work units are still going to be majorly disrupted, at best.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Look at Iran for what can happen. Let’s hope the steps are ok and we don’t have to lockdown again. Happy it’s looking better but the flattening of the curve is happening at the bottom as well as the top and that’s a real shame

 

[clint van damme]

Look at Iran for what can happen. Let’s hope the steps are ok and we don’t have to lockdown again. Happy it’s looking better but the flattening of the curve is happening at the bottom as well as the top and that’s a real shame

wonder if they'll let us holiday there seen as no one else will? Are their pubs open?

 

[David O'Day]

Seems the is over egging dexamethasone to try and deflect from the free school meals u-turn

 

[chiefdave]

Seems the is over egging dexamethasone to try and deflect from the free school meals u-turn

The school meals u-turn is good news, although not so good when the PM says he didn't know about the issue until yesterday. Starmer asked him about it in PMQs last week didn't he?

 

[David O'Day]

The school meals u-turn is good news, although not so good when the PM says he didn't know about the issue until yesterday. Starmer asked him about it in PMQs last week didn't he?

Yep

 

[PVA]

They've had to close all schools again in Beijing after another breakout

But but Dom says there won't be a second spike and we need to end lockdown immediately so he can go to the pub

 

[Grendel]

The school meals u-turn is good news, although not so good when the PM says he didn't know about the issue until yesterday. Starmer asked him about it in PMQs last week didn't he?

He didn’t say that

 

[David O'Day]