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Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Have you actually read the "article" or any of the following posts?

...and with regards you're rather condescending remark about witnessing whats going on, I'd bet the cost of a ST that I've seen far more of it first hand than you in your white-collar sleepy little irish idyll.
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Not really interested in the cute little attempts to insult, however the reality is that to not be highly vigilant, careful etc would be massively foolhardy, and attempts to write stuff off as "scaremongering" and "not helpful" is patently stupid.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Here is the same story from the beeb.....with many of the ifs, buts & maybes that sky omitted...

Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be much worse'
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What are you talking about the likely reasonable worst case is 120k - there is a range yes but that 120k is the what they think would be the worst case.

I think you misunderstand how these estimates work, they think it is 120k but it could be higher or it could be lower.
 
jimmyhillsfanclub

jimmyhillsfanclub

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Ring Of Steel said:
Not really interested in the cute little attempts to insult, however the reality is that to not be highly vigilant, careful etc would be massively foolhardy, and attempts to write stuff off as "scaremongering" and "not helpful" is patently stupid.
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Not understanding the dramatic & significant negative effects that sensationalist scaremongering headlines have on the mental health & well-being of society most vulnerable groups is patently stupid.

Interestingly, the beeb have since changed their headline from the more panic laden early morning version.......so i'm clearly not alone in thinking the headline may have over-egged it somewhat.

Anyway.....if the report gives the government a kick up the arse, then great. But as a stand alone numerical prediction (which the authors point out its not even a prediction) its about as much use as a chocolate teapot....especially once you included all the whys, ifs, whens, buts & maybes.
 
Ring Of Steel

Ring Of Steel

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jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Not understanding the dramatic & significant negative effects that sensationalist scaremongering headlines have on the mental health & well-being of society most vulnerable groups is patently stupid.

Interestingly, the beeb have since changed their headline from the more panic laden early morning version.......so i'm clearly not alone in thinking the headline may have over-egged it somewhat.

Anyway.....if the report gives the government a kick up the arse, then great. But as a stand alone numerical prediction (which the authors point out its not even a prediction) its about as much use as a chocolate teapot....especially once you included all the whys, ifs, whens, buts & maybes.
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Still not sure how you can classify the figure as 'sensationalist' when you had the chief medical officer throwing figures like 20,000 around a few months ago and we're more than three times that, and we've been fed lies, bullshit, false claims of success every single day. That was truly sensationalist. They aren't saying its a prediction, no, thats kind of the point here, they're saying that if people aren't ultra vigilant it could be even more horrendous in winter- really not sure why you're so revved up by this.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Macca said:
And yet during the peak with 1000 deaths a day you could freely walk around the supermarket. Now people out in the open air walking their dogs 100 metres from anyone are wearing them. Just a big mess of inconsistency. So many questions. Is this the way until there is a vaccine, or if no vaccine then forever?
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I'm just working on the basis of outside is OK so long as you maintain 2m distancing, anywhere inside then its mask on. Not that I'm risking the pub but if I did why would it be safe to be inside with a load of strangers and minimal distancing without a mask? Makes no sense.

Might not be a bad thing if there's permanent improvements in hygiene standards. Was the wearing of masks common in Asia before SARS or did they start then? Wonder what impact their mask wearing has had on the rates of flu.

It needs to be a really simple message. Its either masks all the time or its not. We saw when we went from Stay Home to Stay Alert that nuanced messages and relying on peoples common sense doesn't work.
 
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Macca

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Walsgrave

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Macca said:
I’m constantly amazed how this shit can even be a thing. Damn good job people do these jobs for love
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Problem is that as a nation we are all so selfish that everyone wants a share of whatever pie the government offers, but doesn't want to contribute. Like for example plenty of people would be willing to have their taxes go up unilaterally across the board to help fund better pay for health workers, but for (probably forgiveable reasons), won't donate their income or even time to helping these people, or contribute in a small way. It's all 'me me me'. I know there's something wrong when we have PR consultants and certain media figures sneering on healthcare professionals.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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In the States, a third of Americans have missed rent or mortgage payments this month, similar for May and June. Difference is that unemployment relief stops at the end of this month, and the one-off $1200 payment has been spent. Homelessness on a monstrous scale is surely imminent
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
In the States, a third of Americans have missed rent or mortgage payments this month, similar for May and June. Difference is that unemployment relief stops at the end of this month, and the one-off $1200 payment has been spent. Homelessness on a monstrous scale is surely imminent
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Read a book a few years ago about America's existing homeless crisis, it's a grim grim country and no model for anything aside from some very very wealthy individuals exponentially increasing their wealth year on year.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Just on a civil service live event with professor chris whitty. He was just asked why we have the highest death rate

he answered in 3 mins

Multiple reasons

How it started
Particular response In our country
Demographics

Clarified we are One of the worst

Need to Learn lessons

In Hindsight Some things would have been done differently

Some we did right too - 2 main things

The solution is a scientific - not an accident that leading vaccine and drug are coming out of the uk.

And that we managed to Speed up many of our processes from months to days.

Also said that anything Negative Is amplified
And anything Positive Is hidden

really interesting
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He needs to nut up, governments are like referees, you get the shit and if you’re doing well no one notices you.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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chiefdave said:
I'm just working on the basis of outside is OK so long as you maintain 2m distancing, anywhere inside then its mask on. Not that I'm risking the pub but if I did why would it be safe to be inside with a load of strangers and minimal distancing without a mask? Makes no sense.

Might not be a bad thing if there's permanent improvements in hygiene standards. Was the wearing of masks common in Asia before SARS or did they start then? Wonder what impact their mask wearing has had on the rates of flu.

It needs to be a really simple message. Its either masks all the time or its not. We saw when we went from Stay Home to Stay Alert that nuanced messages and relying on peoples common sense doesn't work.
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The inside of a pub from what I have seen is either still socially distanced to 2m or if less than 2m there is protection in place such as screens.

It has seemed ok the times i've been but it's not quite what it was but I guess it won't be for a long time.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Number of tests processed only 97k across all pillars, pathetic numbers. They really should be testing in earnest off the back of the relaxation of lockdown to understand any impact it had.

398 cases, 138 deaths.
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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fernandopartridge said:
Number of tests processed only 97k across all pillars, pathetic numbers. They really should be testing in earnest off the back of the relaxation of lockdown to understand any impact it had.

530 cases, 138 deaths.
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Capacity is there, if people don’t want a test then how are the numbers meant to be higher?
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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David O'Day said:
The inside of a pub from what I have seen is either still socially distanced to 2m or if less than 2m there is protection in place such as screens.

It has seemed ok the times i've been but it's not quite what it was but I guess it won't be for a long time.
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Bollocks that is, in every pub I’ve been in it’s been 1m such as spoons and that....
 
hill83

hill83

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
What’s the Albany and that been like? Haven’t been earlsdon yet....was in the oak inn Sunday night and everyone was sitting down tbh
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Assuming you mean the club they’ve done a good job of it. Members only, now with one guest that needs to give contact details. One way queuing system at the bar. Doorways left open. Hand gel in key areas and urinals cordoned off to encourage distancing. Less tables. A specific table to leave your empty glasses on near the bar.

In reality though. Once you’ve had a few it’s exactly the same.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Capacity is there, if people don’t want a test then how are the numbers meant to be higher?
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People do want tests and aren't getting them

They should be also testing more NHS and care staff

Read what people say you dense c**t
 
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