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Brighton Sky Blue
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It's funny they have now decided to fine people £100 for not wearing one in a shop just over a month before the plan to pack every child back into school. Or like when they decided to introduce 2 week quarantines months after the outbreak started.
The horse hasn't just bolted it's done the Grand National
Ian1779
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Fucking clowns the lot of them.
Brighton Sky Blue
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As it happens I’m going to Brighton around when this kicks in. Spending most of it on the Downs to avoid the nonsense
And yet during the peak with 1000 deaths a day you could freely walk around the supermarket. Now people out in the open air walking their dogs 100 metres from anyone are wearing them. Just a big mess of inconsistency. So many questions. Is this the way until there is a vaccine, or if no vaccine then forever?
clint van damme
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I think this is the new normal until there's a vaccine. Be interesting to see how work places cope when everyone's back off furlough.
tisza
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Happened here. Gouging on prices. Now a lot of stores/individuals left with huge stocks they can't shift. N95 masks were around a pound a piece in Jan. Seen them as much as 15 quid a piece in March now back to around 2 quid.
500ml of 80% sanitiser 2 quid Jan. 100ml 15 quid in April. Now back down 4 quid for the 500ml.
I’m very lucky in that I can work from home so my view is that if they think I need a mask to go in the office because it’s not safe then I guess I’ll stay where I am
Not sure they do.
Or that it is a requirement?
PM wants people to return to work
To clog transport and.help the wider economy I think.
larry_david
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Exactly. They need to be careful here, trying to get people back saying it will be safe then insisting on masks indoors. Alot of people I work with will say fuck that I'll be staying at home then.
clint van damme
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jimmyhillsfanclub
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Pure click-bait scaremongery....I just read the same "story" on the beeb....
......what if your arm bursts?
clint van damme
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I did think that until I read this at the end:
"The "reasonable worst-case planning scenario" agreed by the government's advisory group SAGE found on 29 March a first peak could see as many as 50,000 deaths."
David O'Day
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How it's a story about the worst case scenario report for a second wave. The worst case scenario report for the first wave was 50k deaths which we will hit.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Its a story of a group of folks guesstimating the outcomes of a complete set of variables & unknowns with a range of possible deaths from a few thousand to a 1/4 million....one of several potential worst case scenarios full of caveats & confirmations that it isn't even a prediction.....
keeping in mind its gots more caveats than a caveat shop, .....they could just have easily run the same article with the low end figure of a few thousand as a headline.....so why didn't they?
Clickbait scaremongery is why.
David O'Day
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Run the story about the reasonable worst case scenario without giving the reasonable worst case scenario and giving the number which ism't the reasonable worst case scenario?
Okay
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Thats exactly what they've done though aint it? The headline figure isn't the reasonable worst case scenario figure....its about 2.5 times higher.
Also, the estimate does not take into account any prohibitive actions, lockdowns, treatments or vaccines.....so they may as well stick a wet finger in the wind & whistle.
clint van damme
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given we've had more deaths than the initial worse case scenario report in March predicted and the idea of the report is to prompt preparation for a second wave wouldn't it be defeating the object to down play the potential severity of a second wave?
Ian1779
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If it makes a few more people chuck masks on and think twice about their behaviours then it might not be the worst article.
fernandopartridge
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Come off it, it isn't even a prediction of deaths in all settings.
We're sleepwalking into a disaster, already as bad as the reasonable worst case scenario for the first wave yet still tiny amounts of testing, no comprehensive test and trace and reopening pubs and restaurants. On top of that a dickhead PM encouraging people not to social distance by returning to offices even where they don't need to.
Every single measure has been completely reactive, hence why we're one of the worst countries in the world in just about every covid measure.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Top of the death charts though.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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i'm not denying any of that. I also agree with CVDs point about the report hopefully acting as a catalyst for a ramping up of preparation.
I'm just stating that, imho, the headline figures in the story itself is one of scaremongery, especially as we all know that headline figure will become todays go-to and is already being reported (presented) on the radio as a fact based prediction, yet It is nothing of the sort.
All the conditions, caveats, ifs, buts & maybes get lost in the noise & I know by tea-time this evening my mother-in-law & millions like her will be ramped back up into a high state of anxiety......its not helpful
Ring Of Steel
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No idea how something can be dismissed as 'scaremongering' when the first half of it has already come true & then some. And it is arguably better to be in a high sate of anxiety than be sleepwalking into more mass deaths. Have you actually seen what has happened around you over the last few months?
Sky Blue Pete
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Just on a civil service live event with professor chris whitty. He was just asked why we have the highest death rate
he answered in 3 mins
Multiple reasons
How it started
Particular response In our country
Demographics
Clarified we are One of the worst
Need to Learn lessons
In Hindsight Some things would have been done differently
Some we did right too - 2 main things
The solution is a scientific - not an accident that leading vaccine and drug are coming out of the uk.
And that we managed to Speed up many of our processes from months to days.
Also said that anything Negative Is amplified
And anything Positive Is hidden
really interesting
he answered in 3 mins
Multiple reasons
How it started
Particular response In our country
Demographics
Clarified we are One of the worst
Need to Learn lessons
In Hindsight Some things would have been done differently
Some we did right too - 2 main things
The solution is a scientific - not an accident that leading vaccine and drug are coming out of the uk.
And that we managed to Speed up many of our processes from months to days.
Also said that anything Negative Is amplified
And anything Positive Is hidden
really interesting
Ian1779
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I know what you are saying, and it is happening all over the place. Look at that article in the Mail on Sunday about a Chinese ‘cyber 9/11 attack’ - that will be taken as fact by the same kind of people, that will think China unleashed the virus through 5G towers and then they’ll try and incapacitate us using our iPhones. Everything has been scaremongering - the reason is seems quite clear to me....
A lack of any kind of leadership, direction, firm and decisive guidance from what is shaping up to be the most incompetent government in the history of the UK. Easy to fill the narrative with scaremongering nonsense when the government of the day say nothing.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Have you actually read the "article" or any of the following posts?
...and with regards you're rather condescending remark about witnessing whats going on, I'd bet the cost of a ST that I've seen far more of it first hand than you in your white-collar sleepy little irish idyll.
fernandopartridge
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I don't think that's a bad thing, the whole thing was massively understated and underplayed back in February and March to our great cost. To allay fears, the onus is on the government to put in place some serious and comprehensive health protection measures, not on the media to not report was an independent advisory group's worst case scenario.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep worst case scenario moved a lot of people’s mindsets but is now being rejected as fake news isn’t it. Interesting. Someone likened it just now on being run over
We know it’s risky to cross busy roads so we have crossing points and pedestrian lights and people look both ways and the number of deaths reduces
So when the number of deaths reduces we’d be idiotic to say it’s not necessary to look both ways or cross when the lights say we can
Covid is deadly, dangerous and highly contagious. Just cause we’ve mitigated it’s effects doesn’t change the virus however positive we want to be about it
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Here is the same story from the beeb.....with many of the ifs, buts & maybes that sky omitted...
Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be much worse'
Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be much worse'