Sky Blue Pete
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Trying to work out which civil servant is to blame provably
Trying to work out which civil servant is to blame provablyOn the cusp of 2k cases a day once again. Pillar 2 seems to have run out of tests. Cock and his department deliver again.
You would hope that’s what they’d do. Plenty of schools will do the opposite which is a shame.Assuming the mocks only cover stuff they've already covered. Really not going to help if they include stuff they haven't covered yet.
Coursework and modular exams throughout the year. It's the way to go.
How many was it fp at the peak?On the cusp of 2k cases a day once again. Pillar 2 seems to have run out of tests. Cock and his department deliver again.
You would hope that’s what they’d do. Plenty of schools will do the opposite which is a shame.
Was good enough for my Btec, which was broad enough to opt for technical or lower management rolesYou would hope that’s what they’d do. Plenty of schools will do the opposite which is a shame.
Was good enough for my Btec, which was broad enough to opt for technical or lower management roles
How many was it fp at the peak?
My concern is we're not 'following the science'. We were told for weeks that it was OK so long as we kept cases below 1K a day, today its 1,940. Since going over the 1K early in August there's been very few days where it has dropped back below that threshold. What's the response been? To continue opening things up.Are we beginning to lose control again, like France and Spain to name just two?
Test and trace seems to be stuggling and the less they manage to trace the more cases are likely to go up. As cases go up they will have more contacts to trace which in turn could swamp the system and we'll be back to square one again.
Now when schools have reopened mysteriously the availability of tests in the community seems to have gone. Is it supply or demand?My concern is we're not 'following the science'. We were told for weeks that it was OK so long as we kept cases below 1K a day, today its 1,940. Since going over the 1K early in August there's been very few days where it has dropped back below that threshold. What's the response been? To continue opening things up.
Same with schools. The governments own experts were saying if schools and universities were to open something else would have to close to offset it, hasn't happened. If, as we are told, schools and universities are irrelevant in terms of transmission why are other countries closing them when case numbers rise?
Not sure they will. First time out it was a new situation, you can have sympathy for a government trying to make sense of a fast movijng situation and, sure, failing now and again, but trying. Now, however, they've had six months to plan. No excuses if they cock it up this time around, it's on them.and the Tories emboldened by getting away with it the first time will just get away with it again.
There was a rediculously low number quoted of those traced the other day , for a specific day, can't remember which or how many though.Are we beginning to lose control again, like France and Spain to name just two?
Test and trace seems to be stuggling and the less they manage to trace the more cases are likely to go up. As cases go up they will have more contacts to trace which in turn could swamp the system and we'll be back to square one again.
My concern is we're not 'following the science'. We were told for weeks that it was OK so long as we kept cases below 1K a day, today its 1,940. Since going over the 1K early in August there's been very few days where it has dropped back below that threshold. What's the response been? To continue opening things up.
Same with schools. The governments own experts were saying if schools and universities were to open something else would have to close to offset it, hasn't happened. If, as we are told, schools and universities are irrelevant in terms of transmission why are other countries closing them when case numbers rise?
I admire your optimism but have a look at Facebook. Look at what Cock and Co are doing now with the flip flopping quarantine rules, it's all "look over there" and in the end the blame for any further spikes will go on the virus being imported. Much bigger factors like the still abysmal test and trace system will be washed over.Not sure they will. First time out it was a new situation, you can have sympathy for a government trying to make sense of a fast movijng situation and, sure, failing now and again, but trying. Now, however, they've had six months to plan. No excuses if they cock it up this time around, it's on them.
For some, maybe. I'd like to think there are still enough people (History graduatesI admire your optimism but have a look at Facebook. Look at what Cock and Co are doing now with the flip flopping quarantine rules, it's all "look over there" and in the end the blame for any further spikes will go on the virus being imported. Much bigger factors like the still abysmal test and trace system will be washed over.
I'd agree. The mixed messaging is, however, the scientific advice (who's heard from them in a while?!?) was to close other things to mitigate, but instead we're getting an advertising campaign to encourage people back to offices.Reopening schools and hopefully keeping them open, at least until colder months/flu season is 100% the right thing to do.
I admire your optimism but have a look at Facebook. Look at what Cock and Co are doing now with the flip flopping quarantine rules, it's all "look over there" and in the end the blame for any further spikes will go on the virus being imported. Much bigger factors like the still abysmal test and trace system will be washed over.
I'd agree. The mixed messaging is, however, the scientific advice (who's heard from them in a while?!?) was to close other things to mitigate, but instead we're getting an advertising campaign to encourage people back to offices.
And that's where I have most issue. As you know, at the beginning of this I was sympathetic to the government, and scientific advice changes all the time anyway in something like this, so there's always going to be an element of 'u turning' but... it looks like they've forgotten about following the science really and, if they haven't, they're not doing a great job of explaining it to us!
I'd agree. The mixed messaging is, however, the scientific advice (who's heard from them in a while?!?) was to close other things to mitigate, but instead we're getting an advertising campaign to encourage people back to offices.
And that's where I have most issue. As you know, at the beginning of this I was sympathetic to the government, and scientific advice changes all the time anyway in something like this, so there's always going to be an element of 'u turning' but... it looks like they've forgotten about following the science really and, if they haven't, they're not doing a great job of explaining it to us!
The scientist in me looks at the probable death rate of all cases being less than 1% and questions why we are acting like this is the worst disease in living memory. It also sees huge contradictions in the school measures that even the students can spot and have little faith in. For instance I don’t have to sanitise every sheet I hand out but our lab equipment has to have 72 hours of sanitisation before it can be reused.
I fully comply with the measures even though I don’t agree with them. I see few getting hospitalised despite high case numbers (and the true case number will be far higher than the official) and again question why I am not allowed to teach my subject normally. Then when viruses come around that will actually cause symptoms in young people they will have to go off school in case they have a virus that tends not to.
It’s the frustration of having bullshit imposed on me that is making my job harder than it needs to be.
I do find the media induced fear which is not born out by the statistics at all the worst thing. I do actually know 2 people who died from it (one had a long standing condition) but everything seems hugely disproportionate
The scientist in me looks at the probable death rate of all cases being less than 1% and questions why we are acting like this is the worst disease in living memory. It also sees huge contradictions in the school measures that even the students can spot and have little faith in. For instance I don’t have to sanitise every sheet I hand out but our lab equipment has to have 72 hours of sanitisation before it can be reused.
I fully comply with the measures even though I don’t agree with them. I see few getting hospitalised despite high case numbers (and the true case number will be far higher than the official) and again question why I am not allowed to teach my subject normally. Then when viruses come around that will actually cause symptoms in young people they will have to go off school in case they have a virus that tends not to.
It’s the frustration of having bullshit imposed on me that is making my job harder than it needs to be.
France and Spain had record 1 day figures yesterday including in the peak of their previous wave
Experts will say it will creep into more vulnerable members and then hospitals will get full and then deaths will go upThe encouraging thing is that although cases are high deaths aren't increasing. Hopefully this means either the disease is getting weaker or we've started to develop the antibodies to fight it.
At the risk of repeating myself, autumn/winter is the big test. Come through that, and it's vaguely optimistic. What we mustn't do is repeat what we did last time and dither if things are looking bad here and, for that matter, elsewhere. I actually agree with the opening up with extreme caution, as we're still keeping the weakest away from the disease in that way, while seeing what happens and being able to gather more information to decide the next step.I agree with caution while there are lots more unknowns about a new disease. However we’re 9 months on from the outbreak and know that while the % mortality is higher than the flu, it is likely still below 1% and it’s those with underlying conditions who are at higher general risk who are more likely to be hospitalised or worse.
The restrictions all being in place specifically because so many don’t have symptoms is the biggest contradiction of the whole thing. Appreciate it’s not a popular view
I have been wondering if there will be a big push this year to enforce kids/people with colds etc to definitely stay away. Having that spreading affecting both the respiratory system and the immune system together could make Covid a bigger problem even for young, healthy people. Or even how someone recovered from a severe case of Covid will be if they contract a cold or flu if their lungs etc have had some damage. I also wonder if colds and flus might not be quite so bad as people are being more careful with contact, people aren't shaking hands, masks etc.
It may be it'd have little to no effect whatsoever but I'm not aware of any studies regarding this at the moment so it's definitely an unknown, but should be erred on the side of caution.
At the risk of repeating myself, autumn/winter is the big test. Come through that, and it's vaguely optimistic. What we mustn't do is repeat what we did last time and dither if things are looking bad here and, for that matter, elsewhere. I actually agree with the opening up with extreme caution, as we're still keeping the weakest away from the disease in that way, while seeing what happens and being able to gather more information to decide the next step.
Well... I agree with that if I thought we were actually following science. As it stands, we appear to be following random populism, and that's dangerous in both respects - either keeping us shut needlessly, or even opening us up because people decide it's alright.
I'm not bothered about being inconvenienced tbh. That's a small thing to have to deal with.We aren’t showing extreme caution, we’re imposing a contradictory half way house in schools that inconveniences everyone for dubious benefit. The government is also very clear that parents can’t keep children out of school if they’re scared of COVID. The actions are not proportional to the severity of the disease for the general population.
Experts will say it will creep into more vulnerable members and then hospitals will get full and then deaths will go up
I'm not bothered about being inconvenienced tbh. That's a small thing to have to deal with.
Well, we all have hassles as a result of this. But an inconvenience is a small thing really. Adapting is just the way it is.It isn’t small for me, it’s torn up how I can teach my subject and more broadly just do my job. I can tolerate having to wear masks in places and sanitise my hands outside of that.
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