Ring Of Steel
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congrats on the job- hope it goes well & just bear in mind that increased workload.... could be a lot worse.
I lost mine at the start... Starting a new one Tuesday... Thing is with the job I'm starting... A further lockdown would probably increase my hours/ work load
No Im saying should we protect everyone or are some like nurses supermarket assistants required so get on with it and accountants and office workers can stay at home and just get State aid and stay safe - what a charming society
With the furlough ending and because I work in events fuck knows what will happen
I lost mine at the start... Starting a new one Tuesday... Thing is with the job I'm starting... A further lockdown would probably increase my hours/ work load
You did well. Was supposed to lose mine in July so started looking, there wasn't much out there.
Been kept on until end of November now. Hopefully things are looking a bit better in the new year
It’s about breaking links in the infection chain. We can’t stop everything but everyhing we do stop helps. This is silly absolutionism.
World beating.
Don’t think you or Dom have anything to apologise for. It isn’t your fuck up its theirs. Optimism isn’t a crime.You know its come to something when both myself and skybluedom are fucking sick of how much they've fucked this up.
I apologise for trying to believe we may get out of this sooner rather than later. Monumental fuck up
You know its come to something when both myself and skybluedom are fucking sick of how much they've fucked this up.
I apologise for trying to believe we may get out of this sooner rather than later. Monumental fuck up
You know its come to something when both myself and skybluedom are fucking sick of how much they've fucked this up.
I apologise for trying to believe we may get out of this sooner rather than later. Monumental fuck up
No Im saying should we protect everyone or are some like nurses supermarket assistants required so get on with it and accountants and office workers can stay at home and just get State aid and stay safe - what a charming society
So because these people have no option but to go into work no-one else should either. Thereby massively increasing the amount of transmission of the virus ,increasing the workload on those healthcare staff and further increasing their likelihood of getting it due to supressed immune system from stress and overwork mixed in with a bigger viral load due to having more people with it to care for. Top thinking...
From this argument you're saying furlough isn't a good system as it discriminates based on what type of work you do and will be worse for the less well off who're more likely to be in physical jobs that require them to be in the workplace. So to prevent that discrimination UBI would be much better as it provides the safety net for all.
No I’m not saying that all
The furlough system has to close as if it extends just paying for people to be made redundant in the end. Some companies are just using it to be the required leave period
Our cost is higher than any other country as a lot of others - especially Germany (which pays lower anyway) - have had people working in industrial locations all through lockdown whereas many of our companies continue to blanket furlough people And would just carry on until it ends
I’m all for UBI - it will allow companies to offload workers they don’t need and will not cost the redundancy payments - I’d be fascinated though to see
Is that true? if so, it's a disgrace!The government is changing the law so they can release corona and flu vaccines unlicensed
You know its come to something when both myself and skybluedom are fucking sick of how much they've fucked this up.
I apologise for trying to believe we may get out of this sooner rather than later. Monumental fuck up
EVO , if you're thinking of going into H & S do your NEBOSH course, then the general certificate , then keep an eye out for National Grid as they are always advertising for supervisors, don't need to come from an electricity background, Ive got a Gas background, you just need the basic H & S certificates. You then can move up the ladder once you do their own in house training.Sadly I'm having to go back to a job type that I no longer wished to work in... Basically driving lorries, the money is decent I suppose ... But in the new year I'm looking to complete a nebosh health and safety construction course as I look to venture into something new... I will start and complete the diploma over the next 5 years... At the moment needs must though.
But the point many make is the stress of uncertainty being worse than the effect of the virus. So to remove that uncertainty you either carry on as you were and just let this disease rip through society and place massive strain on health and care services. With the number of people affected/dying the mental health issues of job insecurity are replaced by those of bereavement or life changing effects of having the virus. This could go on for generations with kids deprived of parents making their lives and futures much harder.
Or you provide a means to remove the economic stress on individuals as much as possible either through the furlough or UBI schemes. You're probably right about many companies using it before laying them off when furlough ends, but surely that is still a bit better than just having mass redundancy immediately with no warning or safety net? Having a few months grace to prepare, and possibly even look for other work as a back up option in a worst case scenario (even if the number of available positions is likely to be extremely low with many people looking for work as well), is better than just going in Monday to find you don't have a job to go to.
But if the scheme is being abused by companies to collect free taxpayers money then we have to say the problem is not so much with the scheme but with that mindset of wanting to exploit things for personal gain and how it was created. And who was it that created the 'greed is good' and 'bugger you Jack, I'm alright' ethos?
There is no ideal solution but IMO having that safety net in place is far preferable to not and will cause far fewer problems both in terms of mental and physical health.
I can’t be bothered to read much of that tbh but the difference between the U.K. and a lot of European countries is we view furlough as a good thing to avoid viral spread by keeping people at home and most of Europe view it as a lay off support system to use to accommodate short term reduced demand - a scheme they had in place anyway
Not sure how you can claim that. It’s always been designed to support people temporarily redundant due to lack of demand. People who can work have been working.
Is there any evidence to suggest there are large numbers of genuinely redundant positions that companies are retaining people on furlough in? Employers have to contribute towards furlough and will be expecting the scheme to end in October so either need to bring people back into work or make them redundant then. Why would they be putting off the inevitable? The average time people stay in a job is 4.5 years so its not like we're talking huge redundancy payouts. Keeping people on knowing you'll be making them redundant in a few weeks is just chucking money away.You're probably right about many companies using it before laying them off when furlough ends, but surely that is still a bit better than just having mass redundancy immediately with no warning or safety net? Having a few months grace to prepare, and possibly even look for other work as a back up option in a worst case scenario (even if the number of available positions is likely to be extremely low with many people looking for work as well), is better than just going in Monday to find you don't have a job to go to.
Couldn't agree more with this. We've had years of everything flowing to those at the top and now we act surprised that those at the top turn out to not give a shit about anything but how they can benefit out the situation. If the scheme is being abused, as the article below suggests, then clamp down on that, don't punish those lower down the chain who are reliant on it to survive.But if the scheme is being abused by companies to collect free taxpayers money then we have to say the problem is not so much with the scheme but with that mindset of wanting to exploit things for personal gain and how it was created. And who was it that created the 'greed is good' and 'bugger you Jack, I'm alright' ethos?
Exactly, there's no simple solution to an unprecedented issue. But the safety net is about to get yanked away without anything to take its place. Whatever standpoint you come from, be it physical health, mental health or the impact on the economy, I can't see how that is the best option.There is no ideal solution but IMO having that safety net in place is far preferable to not and will cause far fewer problems both in terms of mental and physical health.
Not sure how you've come to that conclusion. I can do my job from home, it makes zero difference to me. I'd quite happily be doing my job now if that was an option to me but it isn't.I can’t be bothered to read much of that tbh but the difference between the U.K. and a lot of European countries is we view furlough as a good thing to avoid viral spread by keeping people at home and most of Europe view it as a lay off support system to use to accommodate short term reduced demand - a scheme they had in place anyway
Thanks for that budEVO , if you're thinking of going into H & S do your NEBOSH course, then the general certificate , then keep an eye out for National Grid as they are always advertising for supervisors, don't need to come from an electricity background, Ive got a Gas background, you just need the basic H & S certificates. You then can move up the ladder once you do their own in house training.
I know they have a huge amount of work centrally with all the HS2 diversion works in the next few years
Not sure how you've come to that conclusion. I can do my job from home, it makes zero difference to me. I'd quite happily be doing my job now if that was an option to me but it isn't.
I haven't made a choice to sit at home on furlough, that decision was made by my employer.
Swapping furlough for an UBI would be a good move.No I’m not saying that all
The furlough system has to close as if it extends just paying for people to be made redundant in the end. Some companies are just using it to be the required leave period
Our cost is higher than any other country as a lot of others - especially Germany (which pays lower anyway) - have had people working in industrial locations all through lockdown whereas many of our companies continue to blanket furlough people And would just carry on until it ends
I’m all for UBI - it will allow companies to offload workers they don’t need and will not cost the redundancy payments - I’d be fascinated though to see
The only comment I’ve made on the German scheme is that it has been extended, as is the case in many other countries, and, when you asked this question previously, that 60% of salary is preferable to £420 a month on universal credit. Sure you will now point out some clause which means I’d be worse off under the German scheme.Im talking about manufacturing but I do see that you are very complimentary about the German scheme
I assume you’d be happy if we extended and we did it in their terms of pay?
19 year old fined £10k in Nottingham for having a party of 50
Why?Ridiculous
Agreed, utterly illogicalRidiculous
Why?
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