Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

Inform me how its total bullshit then?

No. I've watched these stupid claims & conspiracy theories coming from you for ages now, you fail to grasp any of the side issues, you have clearly forgotten what happened last time, you make out that "Ethel" is an irrelevance (as well as the hundreds of medical staff that died presumably) so apparently we should just let her die, you talk about 'peaks' when you haven't got a clue when that peak might be, you are ignoring the fact that we tend to be a few weeks behind other countries, and then go on to claim that "hundreds of thousands" of people are going to die horrible deaths as a direct result of having zero treatment available as we're trying to stop the spread of COVID at the expense of all else, and so now we have to directly choose who's life is worth more. It wouldn't be as bad if this stuff was based on any kind of evidence, but its not, if anything it flies in the face of everything we went through from March and what we know now. You have nothing to back any of this up apart from seemingly trotting out vague theories spewed out by self proclaimed experts, who seem to include a shedload of confirmed cranks and a rising number of fading 80s pop stars.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

How do you get hundreds of thousands will be on their way to advanced cancer?
There will be people in that position,.There are people in that position but how do you get such a high figure?

I can only speak anecdotally, but treatment has been scheduled as 'normal' for family and friends (and me!) in hospital (a variety of illnesses across us all!). I can only assume that's because they weren't treating a mass of coronavirus cases.

 

[fernandopartridge]

He does and got redeployed to the covid wards in April. No such thing happening this time around, i wonder why.

and i dont feel its disingenuous, It's true. Ok i maybe could have worded the comment better, but Its still massively, massively rare it kills anyone who isnt elderly or withoutany underlying conditions.

Yet the knock on effect is hundreds of thousands of people are going to be on the path to advanced/aggressive cancer due to not being able to receive the fantastic treatment we receive from the NHS.

I wouldn't listen too much to Karol Sikora (shares in private firm that provides cancer services, hater of the NHS). The data on referrals to cancer treatment is published by NHS England. It seems most CCG areas are around where they were performance wise on things like the two week referral target than they were prior to Covid.

Statistics » Cancer Waiting Times

Changes to Cancer Waiting Times standards and Official Statistics Following a consultation on the cancer waiting times standards, NHS England have had approval from government to implement changes to the standards from 1 October 2023. The response to the consultation is published here NHS...

www.england.nhs.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Another point about let her rip type strategies: it’s not just about deaths, it’s about all that comes with deaths: overloaded admin services, bodies piling up unable to be buried, hospitals overrun and unable to cope with normal service. The politicial impact alone of mass graves or body piles in the U.K. would mean no government that has any self preservation instincts would allow that to happen.

Indeed, therein lies the inherent contradictions in the 'let it rip' type people who don't think things through. They complain on the one hand that the NHS is shut down and not providing its usual services but on the other think it should be made to deal with the potential fallout of thousands of cases as if March/April was a walk in the park.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Indeed, therein lies the inherent contradictions in the 'let it rip' type people who don't think things through. They complain on the one hand that the NHS is shut down and not providing its usual services but on the other think it should be made to deal with the potential fallout of thousands of cases as if March/April was a walk in the park.

Do you think these rules should be implemented until a vaccine arrives?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Do you think these rules should be implemented until a vaccine arrives?

There needs to be a balance between letting it rip and not completely overwhelming public services.

There need to be mitigation measures.

The reason we end up with blanket restrictions is that we don't have any targeted ways of stopping transmission as we have no real clue where it's probably happening. Thia is due to the abysmal test and trace system, not enough people tested and not enough attempts to trace let alone people actually traced.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There needs to be a balance between letting it rip and not completely overwhelming public services.

There need to be mitigation measures.

The reason we end up with blanket restrictions is that we don't have any targeted ways of stopping transmission as we have no real clue where it's probably happening. Thia is due to the abysmal test and trace system, not enough people tested and not enough attempts to trace let alone people actually traced.

That isn’t quite what I asked. I’m allowed to be in an office with colleagues for about 8 hours but I can’t be in a pub or restaurant with them for any length of time? How long do you think it’s necessary for it to be like this?

 

[fernandopartridge]

That isn’t quite what I asked. I’m allowed to be in an office with colleagues for about 8 hours but I can’t be in a pub or restaurant with them for any length of time? How long do you think it’s necessary for it to be like this?

Why are you asking me? I am not an advocate of the rule of 6, the 10pm closing or other various blanket rules.

That said, nothing stops you meeting them for a 10 hour drinking session provided there aren't any more than 6 of you.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why are you asking me? I am not an advocate of the rule of 6, the 10pm closing or other various blanket rules.

That said, nothing stops you meeting them for a 10 hour drinking session provided there aren't any more than 6 of you.

I was genuinely interested.

 

[Saddlebrains]

No. I've watched these stupid claims & conspiracy theories coming from you for ages now, you fail to grasp any of the side issues, you have clearly forgotten what happened last time, you make out that "Ethel" is an irrelevance (as well as the hundreds of medical staff that died presumably) so apparently we should just let her die, you talk about 'peaks' when you haven't got a clue when that peak might be, you are ignoring the fact that we tend to be a few weeks behind other countries, and then go on to claim that "hundreds of thousands" of people are going to die horrible deaths as a direct result of having zero treatment available as we're trying to stop the spread of COVID at the expense of all else, and so now we have to directly choose who's life is worth more. It wouldn't be as bad if this stuff was based on any kind of evidence, but its not, if anything it flies in the face of everything we went through from March and what we know now. You have nothing to back any of this up apart from seemingly trotting out vague theories spewed out by self proclaimed experts, who seem to include a shedload of confirmed cranks and a rising number of fading 80s pop stars.

You live for bad news dont you

 

[Saddlebrains]

I wouldn't listen too much to Karol Sikora (shares in private firm that provides cancer services, hater of the NHS). The data on referrals to cancer treatment is published by NHS England. It seems most CCG areas are around where they were performance wise on things like the two week referral target than they were prior to Covid.

Statistics » Cancer Waiting Times

Changes to Cancer Waiting Times standards and Official Statistics Following a consultation on the cancer waiting times standards, NHS England have had approval from government to implement changes to the standards from 1 October 2023. The response to the consultation is published here NHS...

www.england.nhs.uk

A sensible response. I quite enjoy debating our differing views on this as you always respond with reason or facts to back your view up. Fair play.

Shame others can't do the same

 

[Saddlebrains]

And? What does that have to with anything? France deaths are starting to rise again and we are following a similar path were the original rise in cases was in the young and it starts to spread to the more vulnerable. As FP said ICU cases are rising and at the moment around a 1/3 of thos poor people die.

No one said France was anywhere near what it was at it's peak so I'm not sure why you would compare now to then?

I literally put a screenshot of France Death rate up earlier on the thread that shows 6 weeks into their second wave deaths are still low.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You live for bad news dont you

I live for reality, you should try it.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I live for reality, you should try it.

I do, i just dont hang on every word the daily mail says.

Hows this for reality also...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I do, i just dont hang on every word the daily mail says.

Hows this for reality also...

Looks like the time is ripe to ruin businesses and anything enjoyable for a second time while making them go to work

 

[Saddlebrains]

Looks like the time is ripe to ruin businesses and anything enjoyable for a second time while making them go to work

Apparently so. Perfect time to lockdown the whole north east according to westminster.

Unreal now

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Apparently so. Perfect time to lockdown the whole north east according to westminster.

Unreal now

Work for 8 hours with people but go to a pub and we’ll fine you 3 grand, fuck off

 

[Saddlebrains]

Work for 8 hours with people but go to a pub and we’ll fine you 3 grand, fuck off

You're not allowed to say that, it doesnt agree with the narrative, be careful you'll get rounded on

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You're not allowed to say that, it doesnt agree with the narrative, be careful you'll get rounded on

We had planned to see some friends up north over half term. Looks like we’ll be banned from doing that so just work like fuck during term time then get locked inside for a week before the fun restarts. Can’t complain though that would be ‘flippant’

 

[Sick Boy]

Off to Roma and Napoli for a week in a few weeks time, can’t wait

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Off to Roma and Napoli for a week in a few weeks time, can’t wait

Not the right time brah

 

[shmmeee]

Anyone heard anything about Halloween? Daughters favourite holiday and she was asking today if it’ll be “cancelled”. Genuinely didn’t know what to tell her.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Anyone heard anything about Halloween? Daughters favourite holiday and she was asking today if it’ll be “cancelled”. Genuinely didn’t know what to tell her.

I would assume that would be the case as all Bonfire displays have been cancelled.

I understand your feeling, my daughter loves Halloween and bonfire night so with both nit being 'a thing' this year its just a depressing run of dark cold nights and mornings up until Christmas

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Anyone heard anything about Halloween? Daughters favourite holiday and she was asking today if it’ll be “cancelled”. Genuinely didn’t know what to tell her.

I’d have concerns over Christmas never mind that. With this year it’s safe to assume everything good is off

 

[Sick Boy]

I’d have concerns over Christmas never mind that. With this year it’s safe to assume everything good is off

Yeah, I don’t think I will see my family until next summer now, which will be a total of 18 months. Girlfriend will probably be working on Xmas day, so will probably end spending the day with the in-laws and wider family and the fucked up Veronese Christmas food.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, I don’t think I will see my family until next summer now, which will be a total of 18 months. Girlfriend will probably be working on Xmas day, so will probably end spending the day with the in-laws and wider family and the fucked up Veronese Christmas food.

Better make sure the turkey’s wearing a mask

 

[Sick Boy]

Better make sure the turkey’s wearing a mask

No chance of a turkey over here, a turkey in a mask would probably be preferable though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No chance of a turkey over here, a turkey in a mask would probably be preferable though

Make sure it is a 2 metre distance from the trimmings

 

[clint van damme]

We had planned to see some friends up north over half term. Looks like we’ll be banned from doing that so just work like fuck during term time then get locked inside for a week before the fun restarts. Can’t complain though that would be ‘flippant’

Saddlebrains remark about keeping Ethel alive for 2 more years was flippant. He even said himself he could of worded it better.

No one's calling genuine grievances flippant. I don't think anyone can get there head around the mish mash of restrictions but the way infections are rising it's clear there still needs to be some.

As some of us have said many times - we need a functioning trace and track

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Saddlebrains remark about keeping Ethel alive for 2 more years was flippant. He even said himself he could of worded it better.

No one's calling genuine grievances flippant. I don't think anyone can get there head around the mish mash of restrictions but the way infections are rising it's clear there still needs to be some.

As some of us have said many times - we need a functioning trace and track

I’m not referring to his comment but it seems any grievance about restrictions is lumped in with the anti-masker ‘I don’t care who dies’ brigade. It’s making me miserable just thinking about yet more things I can’t do while I’m being asked to do my job in the most farcical circumstances. There’s nothing to look forward to for months on end

 

[Sick Boy]

I’m not referring to his comment but it seems any grievance about restrictions is lumped in with the anti-masker ‘I don’t care who dies’ brigade. It’s making me miserable just thinking about yet more things I can’t do while I’m being asked to do my job in the most farcical circumstances. There’s nothing to look forward to for months on end

It’s shite, everyone has their own worries and concerns about what’s going, I’ve honestly not slept more than 5 hours a night since lockdown started here, the lack of control over the situation and not being able to see my family is shite...eventually it’ll get better

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It’s shite, everyone has their own worries and concerns about what’s going, I’ve honestly not slept more than 5 hours a night since lockdown started here, the lack of control over the situation and not being able to see my family is shite...eventually it’ll get better

Yeah, not soon though.

But it will. It's all a small pin prick in humanity's rich tapestry.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s shite, everyone has their own worries and concerns about what’s going, I’ve honestly not slept more than 5 hours a night since lockdown started here, the lack of control over the situation and not being able to see my family is shite...eventually it’ll get better

I'm a pessimist anyway SB, this has sent it into overdrive. Another 6 months of this is too much

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You're not allowed to say that, it doesnt agree with the narrative, be careful you'll get rounded on

I get it- haven’t seen family for almost a year, there’s job uncertainty everywhere, just heard there’s 64 cases at a school about 3 miles away, everyone Ian tense and stressed- then add in massive mismanagement & stupidly vague rules on what to do. It’s absolutely shit.

However that doesn’t mean I’m going to start believing half baked theories started by no-marks trying to pretend it’s not very real, just so I can feel better about things by kidding myself that I’m one step ahead and I know what they’re up to with their “narratives”

 

[chiefdave]

we're knocking 25 years off Dave aged 44

You're a couple of years out on the age but at the moment only having 25 years knocked off would feel like a victory.

Its still massively, massively rare it kills anyone who isnt elderly or withoutany underlying conditions.

But you can't just dismiss those people with a wave of the hand as acceptable losses. People talk about those who are elderly or have underlying conditions like they're at deaths door but that's far from the case for the majority of them.

50 is the age that seems to be generally referred to as the point at which the risk increases. Thats 38% of the population. Add in everyone who is a few pounds overweight, has mild asthma, high blood pressure etc and you're likely looking at well over half the population.