Nick
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Yet the kids are going to school every day still and then actually going home to families etc...
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Yet the kids are going to school every day still and then actually going home to families etc...
There is a question here, other sources put it lower than 5% .
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Indeed. And I've said all along that completely misses the fact, when children are generally OK, that others may not be. It's the same point.
What kind of madness is it that, currently, if your child is off school because the year is closed because of Covid, you as parent can still work and, if you have no choice in that matter, government will allow your parents, or grandparents, to look after your child in that period.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Glad to see he was following the government advice and only doing doggy style then.
Nick
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So do we just lock everybody away forever?
shmmeee
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Looking at the testing figures the UK has tested more than double every other EU country, and compare our testing to the likes of Mexico and South American country's you can see how bad they have it.
Just looked at the data and Denmark’s testing rate is almost double ours for a start. Not clear whether other countries double count tests like we do either.
This suggests we count absolutely everything at the highest level, where a lot of countries count people only or don’t include antibody tests. Covid-19: Is the UK carrying out more tests than anywhere else in Europe?
In short the government have done everything possible to make it as hard to compare us as they can do we don’t really know. Though it would be strange for a country that is genuinely world leading to play such statistical games.
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No. Again,. I've said you do is faster, and react faster, to avoid it being shut down for longer.
We've learned nothing from last time.
You also do it to stop hospitals being overwhelmed, (fp's post above) and to save the wellbeing of people who are being ordered to be placed in situations out of their control.
Nick
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Funnily enough, that's one thing we can all agree on!I genuinely can't see an end to it all
Sorry, misread, I thought you said we all wanted to see an end to it all! We can certainly all agree on that
It *will* end, it'll either fizzle out, or we'll get mitigating drugs. The issue is what we do in the meantime...
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Yes tests but how many people and how rapid is the turnaround.Looking at the testing figures the UK has tested more than double every other EU country, and compare our testing to the likes of Mexico and South American country's you can see how bad they have it
Then tracing to be effective,then only 20% isolate.
Tougher more Draconian measures will be coming if poeple believe they needn't follow the request.
Not lambasting those who are economically stretched are not satisfactorily supported.
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Indeed. This virus discriminates by class, often.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The pubs thing also makes people go ‘why am I fine to work in an office for 8 hours but not go to the pub for a few’
shmmeee
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I genuinely can't see an end to it all
We need definite answers on immunity really. Until then we haven’t a clue.
This is why the anti mask types annoy me. Let’s assume it’s here forever and work out how to do stuff sensibly with it around. If we could all do the basics we might be able to do a lot more stuff without lockdown.
clint van damme
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that's why I put if true at the end of the sentence, there's that much bullshit and misinformation it's hard to get the true picture.
shmmeee
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I can’t help but feel things are being kept open because of lobbying and not economics or medicine. Student flats is the one that gets me. No reason at all to force students back if it wasn’t for the landlords shitting themselves.
Same for making everyone go back to the office. Surely the sensible thing is to do as much as possible remotely and save the in person stuff for what really matters like schooling.
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And even with things like schooling, proper investment in seeing what *could* be done remotely would have been helpful. I'm pretty sure *every* class doesn't have to be face-to-face *all* the time.
shmmeee
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I don’t understand how it’s even possible to tell TBH. I get corona in the office then head to the gym and the pub and give it to a load of people, where did that start? Without testing everyone how do they know who I gave it to? The ex has just been contact traced and is isolating (shame), but she’s not being tested so is that an “outbreak” in a school or what? Are they tracing up the chain as well?
fernandopartridge
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Are the units the same? Remember our tests ≠ people tested. Likewise, the UK is one of the largest countries in Europe with the one of the worst infection rates, it must do more testing.Looking at the testing figures the UK has tested more than double every other EU country, and compare our testing to the likes of Mexico and South American country's you can see how bad they have it.
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outbreaks (two or more from same location) is probably as good as it gets in terms of accurately(ish) knowing where transmission took place. Hospitality outbreaks were apparently low until recently
shmmeee
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Yeah just reading this 41% of Covid patients under 30 caught it in a pub, bar or restaurant
Seems you’re right. With my data hat on I’ve got to say the evidence base seems very flimsy all round.
Very ! For the reasons you and others state (most people are likely to have a few interactions over a day or two so who really knows)
Ps wherever you interacted with a student was probably the place though
shmmeee
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In other news. Had a chuckle at this: Coronvirus: 'Dr Johnny Bananas' and 'Dr Person Fakename' among medical signatories on herd immunity open letter
Well it's a dichotomy ,you could have had a managed programme of infection among schoolchildren and Students or you could let it develop more generally .
But according to the PM the British poeple are the freest and can't be asked.
That may be a stretch to far for parents even with strict vetting of those at risk due to conditions . Understandable as there still would be a minimal risk to some
Then it's not just mortality,there is evidence emerging of long Covid among some younger people.
It's quite a question .
Who would risk 5 or 50 children to 100k-250k old folk.
It would represent being about one third of total if herd immunity requires 80% infection.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Practical subjects need it most of the time, theoretical ones could be done remotely all the time
chiefdave
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Seen a few epidemiologist all saying the same thing. To start to get back to anything even vaguely approaching normality we need everyone to wear mask, strict enforcement of social distancing and no let up on the hand washing & cleanliness. Given that half the country seems to refuse to wear masks and the government are happy to cram people into schools, unis, offices and pubs thats not happening anytime soon.I genuinely can't see an end to it all
So that leaves us putting everything on a vaccine being developed, which the most optimistic seem to think will be spring at the earliest, and then having the logistics up to scratch to manufacture it and roll it out, both of which have already been questioned.
chiefdave
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Not really sure 25
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David O'Day
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That's contacts and pubs are higher as they actually track and trace and take details
Philosoraptor
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I think we are a few weeks from total lockdown.
There's a lot of lip service about keeping the economy running vs people dying.
They will keep things working for as long as possible until they see the NHS cant take more admissions rather then the amount of people dying.
I have always liked to put the amount of people dying into imaginary plane crashes instead.
I am sure if a couple of a jumbo jets started to fall out of the sky over the UK each week in line with how many covid deaths there's been they would of brought the aviation industry to a stand still, instead of working out how many plane crashes the UK could take before the NHS coudn't cope.
There's a lot of lip service about keeping the economy running vs people dying.
They will keep things working for as long as possible until they see the NHS cant take more admissions rather then the amount of people dying.
I have always liked to put the amount of people dying into imaginary plane crashes instead.
I am sure if a couple of a jumbo jets started to fall out of the sky over the UK each week in line with how many covid deaths there's been they would of brought the aviation industry to a stand still, instead of working out how many plane crashes the UK could take before the NHS coudn't cope.
Jamesimus
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This. I'm a subcontractor in an unnamed hospital (not in Coventry). The only places I've had my details taken for track and trace so far have been pubs!
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How does anybody ever find it?
chiefdave
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This has always been their thinking as far as I can tell. They don't seem to have at any point considered the so called 'zero-covid' approach.
Its always been a case of what they can get away with without overwhelming the NHS as they know at that point deaths would go through the roof. To be honest don't think even that concerns them, its more the risk of the pubic turning on them.
Lets face it first time round most of the restrictions came in when the public and organisations like the Premier League put their own restrictions in place, it certainly wasn't government led.
Never thought of this and its a great way of looking at it. If planes were falling out of the sky like that would people be marching in the street demanding to be let on a plane?
David O'Day
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exactly for example you would only have know contacts in supermarkets and shops if both people have the app
Philosoraptor
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It does make you wonder though about the civil liberties we are losing or going to lose to keep commercial interests ticking along.
Philosoraptor
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Trump to have a medical live on Fox News.
Just when you thought the world couldn't get any more surreal...
Just when you thought the world couldn't get any more surreal...